CC's Records of RANKS

[Blitzaholic]

What's the point in the higher ranks like General and Field Marshall if no one can reach them? I agree that reseting points will likely be needed one day, but not yet. Not until there are a lots of people with these top ranks.

those ranks can be achieved but its all about time

Very very difficult when you are over 3000 points to rise much further.
Everybody talks about point inflation but this tends to level off between 2000 - 2500 points,remember that 2 of the 3 players to have reached 3500 points recently have had to resort to underhand tactics to get there !

agreed with comic 100%

much more difficult to do after 2500, and after 3000, way more harder, and after 3500 it is almost an impossible nightmare trust me


the huge point inflation that i seem to see is scores of 1600 to 2200 are booming big time, but not much is rising to far after that, may need some more research, but i have been watching the scoreboard along with others for long long time.

[Blitzaholic]

364 players now and rising for 2000 or higher

another 10 to 12 only like eight points off or so

again the inflation seems to be hovering around this 1800 to 2200 range

[AAFitz]

reset the scores? you mean if a player gets up to 3K, reset it back to 2K?


I am not sure many would like this, perhaps I am viewing it wrong.

nope. every 6 months everybody gets a new start from 1000. we fight like mad men and at the end of another 6 months prizes are awarded for highest ranked overall/single/doubs/trips or for most offensive etc. then we start again and so on.

Actually thats a great idea... good way to get many players to leave the site... it would be so easy to leave after all your points went away

I understand where you are coming from, but there is no need to do this at all

[autoload]

although the number of 2K players and 3K players have gone up some, we did have 17 3K players or 16 back in JAN 2007, so the average of point inflation maybe be going up in the 2K range fast (from 59 to 363 from JAN 2007 to now),

but 3K range, only 1 extra person in last 11 months, well that is not moving much, seems to be staying pretty stable for achieving 3K and leveling off there. (16 to 17 in last 11 months is not much of an increase to reach 3K)


then 3.5K, that has been very stable, maybe it will change over the months, but for several months now, we have only had, 1, 2 or 3 brigadiers at one time not counting the conqueror and that has remained stabilized. gets much much harder the higher you go

Another point to consider: Back in the early days the tactic of opening up dozens of Dubs and Trips to scam points off the ? players. With the elimination of that tactic, the number of players able to reach the highest levels fell off.

[Blitzaholic]

I remember in the old ranking system- there were maybe like 15-20 Colonels ( Captains )............. now in the 2000+ has a ton of new faces with two more threads on 1800/1600 players. Even more to come.

agreed

[Blitzaholic]

372 players of 2000 or higher, keeps going up

[AAFitz]

although the number of 2K players and 3K players have gone up some, we did have 17 3K players or 16 back in JAN 2007, so the average of point inflation maybe be going up in the 2K range fast (from 59 to 363 from JAN 2007 to now),

but 3K range, only 1 extra person in last 11 months, well that is not moving much, seems to be staying pretty stable for achieving 3K and leveling off there. (16 to 17 in last 11 months is not much of an increase to reach 3K)


then 3.5K, that has been very stable, maybe it will change over the months, but for several months now, we have only had, 1, 2 or 3 brigadiers at one time not counting the conqueror and that has remained stabilized. gets much much harder the higher you go

Another point to consider: Back in the early days the tactic of opening up dozens of Dubs and Trips to scam points off the ? players. With the elimination of that tactic, the number of players able to reach the highest levels fell off.

it wasnt scamming, it was education.. those who got to see a well oiled team play got an invaluable education on how to win games.... and it only cost them a few points... if the players stuck around, those first few points would have been well worth the education they received in my opinion.

It did of course lower any teams win ratio, and virtually eliminated free games where one or two of the players never showed up again, so now team games really are more evenly matched.

[autoload]

I still say it was scamming. At least the way it works now is like an incentive to stick around for the privilege of playing team games against whomever you want.

Anyways, whether or not one considers that tactic scamming, it still helps explain why the number of people at the highest scores have not increased noticeably.

[Blitzaholic]

although the number of 2K players and 3K players have gone up some, we did have 17 3K players or 16 back in JAN 2007, so the average of point inflation maybe be going up in the 2K range fast (from 59 to 363 from JAN 2007 to now),

but 3K range, only 1 extra person in last 11 months, well that is not moving much, seems to be staying pretty stable for achieving 3K and leveling off there. (16 to 17 in last 11 months is not much of an increase to reach 3K)


then 3.5K, that has been very stable, maybe it will change over the months, but for several months now, we have only had, 1, 2 or 3 brigadiers at one time not counting the conqueror and that has remained stabilized. gets much much harder the higher you go

Another point to consider: Back in the early days the tactic of opening up dozens of Dubs and Trips to scam points off the ? players. With the elimination of that tactic, the number of players able to reach the highest levels fell off.

100% agreed, also, you have or had no control back then in public games who was going to join them, any and all could, also, some players that are or were ? marks know how to play the game very well, they like i have played for years before this site was born and not all or noobs, and you got very little points if you won and lost a ton if you lost, at that time, i think it had to be around 90% win raio to break about even, and even though some were not as skilled, some were, and others at times who were not, got a whole bonus dealt to them or a great set up which made it almost a loss before the game started, this will happen at times due to randomness. but perhaps aafitz worded it better (blitz, sorry all for confusion)

it wasnt scamming, it was education.. those who got to see a well oiled team play got an invaluable education on how to win games.... and it only cost them a few points... if the players stuck around, those first few points would have been well worth the education they received in my opinion.

It did of course lower any teams win ratio, and virtually eliminated free games where one or two of the players never showed up again, so now team games really are more evenly matched.

oops, quoted in the middle of yours, my bad

[AAFitz]

scamming is really the wrong word... it implies deception...

setting up a dubs or trips game with established players on one team, and putting it out there, isnt a scam... if a new player couldnt figure out that their chances of winning were very low, their chances were necessarily low anyways.

Also, it was always possible for great teams to join.. there was no way to control it, so it wasnt a scam...

I won 15 out of 16 or so world 2.1 speed games and the 16th was the loss.

I didnt scam those players, I out played them... all were fairly low ranks, but others played many games... they saw my rank, and should have realized I knew what I was doing... and, the one who beat me was one of the lowest ranks out of the batch...

the age of realm is another such map, but its over in 2 or 3 rounds.. I got demolished on my first attempt, but was thankful for the education...

this one map however will change the value of scores, more than any other... one player just won 22 games in one hour... its not a scam... the player joining, should check out the map first... if they join hoping to win 70 points, they should probably realize it wont be easy...

Once you know how to play that map, it all comes down to dice, and timing, and maybe even drop... but playing it isnt a scam... its just well...a different game

[Blitzaholic]

scamming is really the wrong word... it implies deception...

setting up a dubs or trips game with established players on one team, and putting it out there, isnt a scam... if a new player couldnt figure out that their chances of winning were very low, their chances were necessarily low anyways.

Also, it was always possible for great teams to join.. there was no way to control it, so it wasnt a scam...

I won 15 out of 16 or so world 2.1 speed games and the 16th was the last.

I didnt scam those players, I out played them... all were fairly low ranks, but others played many games... they saw my rank, and should have realized I knew what I was doing... and, the one who beat me was one of the lowest ranks out of the batch...

the age of realm is another such map, but its over in 2 or 3 rounds.. I got demolished on my first attempt, but was thankful for the education...

this one map however will change the value of scores, more than any other... one player just won 22 games in one hour... its not a scam... the player joining, should check out the map first... if they join hoping to win 70 points, they should probably realize it wont be easy...

Once you know how to play that map, it all comes down to dice, and timing, and maybe even drop... but playing it isnt a scam... its just well...a different game

go fitzy go, well worded

please dont invite me againt you in the world 2.1's

you looking solid in those, wow, congratz, takes great patience

[owenshooter]

i see dead people.

[autoload]

I see scams.

Scam artists are quick to defend their scams with well rehearsed rebuttals that sound logical on the surface. But in reality it is taking advantage of a flaw in the system.

This argument has been done to death and I never really entered it back in the hey day. Fact is I only brought it up to illustrate my point of why I think the numbers of players among the highest points has not increased significantly.

We will agree to disagree I think.

[AAFitz]

I see scams.

Scam artists are quick to defend their scams with well rehearsed rebuttals that sound logical on the surface. But in reality it is taking advantage of a flaw in the system.

This argument has been done to death and I never really entered it back in the hey day. Fact is I only brought it up to illustrate my point of why I think the numbers of players among the highest points has not increased significantly.

We will agree to disagree I think.

i agree about the points, as that is obviously the case.. its just not a scam...

[Blitzaholic]

372 players of 2000 or higher, keeps going up

374 now

[Molacole]

scamming is really the wrong word... it implies deception...

scamming is exactly the word. Look at all the high profile people on this website who played all of their games with the same people over and over again in a team game setting.

OK now go look at their points and build a case off of that...

Lack did a good job with the question mark inflation problem. He knew where the question marks were being preyed apon and he disabled it. That in turn pushed points to players of lower ranks and focused on single player games. Part of that is the reason you're seeing the lower end ranks kick up some. That will also push up the middle ranks, which will also benifit the upper ranks. You can't prevent this when people join and leave. The only real conters are reseting cheaters and people quitting because those points never find their way back to the pot.

I like how the inflation is now. It seems to travel through all of the ranks before it makes it to the top ranked players. Inflation will still have the biggest impact on the top ranked players, but it will take a lot longer to get their and also won't be a diret transfer of points like it was with question marks joining in team games.

I also think that is a big reason why we have so many new faces in the upper ranks. It is becoming harder to abuse the points system and a lot of new players are joining and extremely active playing tons of games pushing their score up at a faster rate.

Point inflation pretty much comes down to how many games you play at one time. The more you play the more your score goes up. If it doesn't go up then you probably don't belong in the top ranks. If it goes up then good for you.

[AAFitz]

scamming is completely the wrong word...

every definition of scamming includes deception


there was no deception.. they opened a game, they played a game...

you can call it many things but not a scam.. unless you can explain how there was deception....which of course you cant...the players didnt have to join... they could have played, and they could have won, as they sometimes did

you can call it many other things, and dont have to agree with playing of those games...but by definition it was in no way a scam.... no deception took place... if you join a game with high ranked players, you should expect to lose... at least quite a bit...

its semantics, but its important... I do agree, that its better the way it is now, because it more truly reflects a teams score, because most of the teams... most.... play their moves now

[autoload]

SCAM!

[AAFitz]

NOT A SCAM!



oh, is that all I had to do

much easier than arguing logically about it... thanks for the heads up

[RiskTycoon]

I don't get it, why is it a scam? when i was a ? and a very low ranker all I wanted to do was join team games against high ranks.....it's how i figured things out...without those games I'd still be trying to figure this game out from a bunch of noobs......that's no way to learn....scam my eye....like AA said...I had a choice, I made it......it was the right one as far as i am concerned ......ask those Generals ( at the time ) if me taking their points was part of the scam...because i took them all right! man i loved winning over 60 points....those were the days <sigh> lol no scam...... if it was a scam you would have to lead them to believe that they want to join games against you so you can prey on them and get easy points.....that's a scam...and for some reason i feel lack did what he did not to stop this so called "scam" but to make the games more fun for us...ie... not having deadbeat noobs in our team games and the like....not because he wanted to protect the ?s ....

[jiminski]

Fitz for President!

let me know if it works mate! this is very exciting.. just imagine what we can do with this!

[firstholliday]

coooool

[firstholliday]

fuc*** i wanted that huge and red...

[Twill]

I dont know how this got onto the old topic of high ranks against low - high ranks were greedy to try to take easy points, new recruits were greedy to try and win big.

Don;t tell me when you scan through the open games you don't salivate at a pair of crowns waiting to have 100 points taken each

now, back onto the topic of inflation: that bubble of 2000 players you see stacking up right now? they are all going to move into the 3000 range soon enough.
Once you get a crit mass at each level, it inevitably moves up as it becomes easier for players at that level to get points: the more 2k players, the less 3k players risk in games against them and the more points they can win from them. If there are lots of 2k players then there are lots more people for 3k players to challenge and the points come in from a different pool rather than being shared around the 3k pool only.

That bubble will keep moving through to the 3ks, promise

and that brings us full circle:

Well done to everyone joining the higher ranks, well earned

[Blitzaholic]

372 players of 2000 or higher, keeps going up


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