Is this Cheating?

[comic boy]

I have always interpreted the rule the same way that Twill has, there is less room for abuse and in any case it is clearly more ethical.

[Teutonics]

I have two issues with holding private talks:

First, this opens up a huge problem for potential abuse because the participants to such discussions will be tempted to be 1) less than candid about the terms of the agreement, and 2) will be tempted to only disclose the agreement just before they start launching coordinated attacks, (otherwise, they will be giving away more information than needed to their adversaries), and 3) may 'haggle' over the terms of the agreement for several rounds, while they have time to build up their forces & prepare for the attacks. Then, after several rounds of prepping, they'll give some sort of Pearl Harbor type warning a few minutes before they begin.

Second, I come here to play Risk -- not Diplomacy. I've never played a real-world game of Risk, in which the players routinely go into a closed room to discuss possible agreements. This sounds like a game of Diplomacy to me.

If we are going to start engaging in the Risk version of Diplomacy, then you should let everybody know about this 'new' rule. The mods should send an email to all players, so that everybody is on equal footing and everybody knows that they can start holding private talks, without informing others, until an agreement is made.

Then everybody will know that they'll have to start sending out pm feelers to the players in each game, so that they make alliances with some of these players, before alliances are made against them. This will take a lot of typing & will be difficult to keep up with, but I guess that's what people will have to start doing because we are not playing Risk anymore -- we are playing Diplomacy.

You thought the backlash to the new classic map was bad, wait till people find out that you want to change the game from Risk to Diplomacy.

[Timminz]

It is my opinion that any discussion regarding a game that takes place away from the eyes and ears of all players is dirty.

I compare it to a real game around a board. If 2 players walk off into another room to discuss things, the other player(s) are gonna be pissed, and probably not want to play with those people anymore.

[OnlyAmbrose]

Can we get lack with a final answer on this? :/

[Twill]

We're working on a re-wording to make this more clear.

We have some differing opinions on exactly where to draw the line coming from both the community and from team members so it could take us a few more days to hammer something out and get the wording right so that it is clear to everyone.

Sorry for the delay

[BeakerWMA]

It is my opinion that any discussion regarding a game that takes place away from the eyes and ears of all players is dirty.

I compare it to a real game around a board. If 2 players walk off into another room to discuss things, the other player(s) are gonna be pissed, and probably not want to play with those people anymore.

[owenshooter]

We're working on a re-wording to make this more clear.

We have some differing opinions on exactly where to draw the line coming from both the community and from team members so it could take us a few more days to hammer something out and get the wording right so that it is clear to everyone.

Sorry for the delay

they are working on it!!!-0

[Minister Masket]

Think of it this way:

If you were a human-cum-world conquering maniac with millions of troops at your disposal, would you announce an alliance with a neighbour secrectly or publicly?

[Fruitcake]

We're working on a re-wording to make this more clear.

We have some differing opinions on exactly where to draw the line coming from both the community and from team members so it could take us a few more days to hammer something out and get the wording right so that it is clear to everyone.

Sorry for the delay

they are working on it!!!-0

Glad to see you are on the case owen. I would have missed that had it not been for your heads up.

[owenshooter]

Glad to see you are on the case owen. I would have missed that had it not been for your heads up.

someone has to act like a mod around here... ahem... speaking of, where is our nemesis?!!-0

[Fruitcake]

Glad to see you are on the case owen. I would have missed that had it not been for your heads up.

someone has to act like a mod around here... ahem... speaking of, where is our nemesis?!!-0

fear ye not...somewhere, when one least expects it, up will pop a note or two, chastising for some slight or another no doubt.

[Thezzaruz]

I compare it to a real game around a board. If 2 players walk off into another room to discuss things, the other player(s) are gonna be pissed, and probably not want to play with those people anymore.

Not that that is in any way unusual when I play IRL with my friends I do feel that the easiest way to deal with it here is to say that anything outside the chat is illegal. It might make politics a bit more risky in some situations but there has to be risks with any gains tbf.

[Thezzaruz]

Sorry for the *bump* but did we get a verdict on this?

[owenshooter]

Sorry for the *bump* but did we get a verdict on this?

thanks for the bump, i was just looking for this... wonder if we got a verdict on this, and the bogus warning i received for being called a name by a certain mod.. *cough* *cough*-0

p.s.-you spoke the truth, fruity ol chap!!

[albertq]

that blatently is acceptable as long as you tell the other players once you've agreed to form an alliance. making an alliance in secret - bad, planning an alliance in secret - a bit weird seeing as you can just plan it in chat but not against the rules

ignore all the people saying it's against the rules

[Thezzaruz]

Sorry for the *bump* but did we get a verdict on this?

[FabledIntegral]

Nothing should be able to be discussed via chat. Why would you use PM instead of the public chat? The entire reasoning is to try to do something that you don't want other players aware of. It doesn't matter that it has to be announced.

Or you could have a rule that any proposed alliance must be announced in chat. Or such that if someone PMs another asking about an alliance, and the person rejects, that person is obligated to announce in that that the alliance was denied.

I think it's absolutely horrid to be able to form truces via PM even if you have to announce in chat after.

[owenshooter]

I think it's absolutely horrid to be able to form truces via PM even if you have to announce in chat after.

if alliances must exist, i completely agree with this statement... although, i do hate alliances and think they are tools for weak players, much like BooB and CM... but, if you don't have skill, why not try to get others to help you in a casual online game... if you are into alliances, try team games!! secret alliances and horrid play by others led me to the world of doubles, where i happily exist today...-0

p.s.-did we get a new rule yet or is this like the baby sitting deal? on hiatus until twill grows a set.. (i said it twill!!! HA!!!)

[Thezzaruz]

p.s.-did we get a new rule yet or is this like the baby sitting deal? on hiatus until twill grows a set.. (i said it twill!!! HA!!!)

Yea got into a discussion with Wicked in another thread about it, that's why I bumped this too.

[owenshooter]

p.s.-did we get a new rule yet or is this like the baby sitting deal? on hiatus until twill grows a set.. (i said it twill!!! HA!!!)

Yea got into a discussion with Wicked in another thread about it, that's why I bumped this too.

yes, i read that, too.. refrained from comment, because of this thread... fight the fight, my brother...-0

[Thezzaruz]

yes, i read that, too.. refrained from comment, because of this thread... fight the fight, my brother...-0

Apparently they are still discussing it...

But I've promised to leave the issue so signing off now (still hoping for Twill to win the in-house fight though ).

[owenshooter]

Apparently they are still discussing it...
But I've promised to leave the issue so signing off now (still hoping for Twill to win the in-house fight though ).

he currently holds the mod smackdown title belt, i don't see anyone taking it away from him anytime soon... you all know that twill is a silent member of The BpB's, which translates to being a general bad ass!!!!-0

[wicked]

Hate to dissapoint ya Thezz, but there's no in-house fighting. Just the rule, and a proposal to change it. And the day twill smacks down anything is a cold day in hell.

[owenshooter]

Hate to dissapoint ya Thezz, but there's no in-house fighting. Just the rule, and a proposal to change it. And the day twill smacks down anything is a cold day in hell.

*mysteriously remaining silent for reasons i don't want to divulge*

*twill's gigantic footsteps can be heard entering the corridors of CC*

[Twill]

I love how I get a couple IM's when someone calls me out.

I think that what's going to happen with the next update is that the wording is going to be changed to:

Rule 2: NO Secret Diplomacy

Any and every form of diplomatic talk between players should be open and posted in game chat in a language that all players in game understand. This includes (but is not limited to) Alliances, attack coordinations, truces etc.

Basically what I posted earlier, but taken a step further: all alliance talk, requests, coordination, strategizing etc. has do be done in open chat. (note the change from "no secret alliances" to "no secret diplomacy") This includes strategizing after the alliance has been entered into and has been announced.
If you want to have private strategy discussion play in team games.
If you are going to be baby sitting for team members, watch yourselves because we are still in arbitrary "you look like you're breaking a rule" zone until we implement a formal sitting feature.

And I hate to disappoint ya owen, but you only wish I was a member of BpB, secret or not

And what's that about smacking anything down? I challenge ye to a 1 on 1 doodle smackdown challenge wicked! Lets see just how cold hell can get! (I have a feeling this will be very embarrassing for me)