Account "babysitting" : what is allowed?

[owenshooter]

well, if wicked is right, then i know a slew of teams that are breaking the rules on a daily basis... plenty of sequential teams will take each others turns to facilitate faster game play and often get 3 or 4 rounds out of the way in a short span of time, due to both teams taking their turns in relative RT fashion.. i've had a partner take a turn in the morning, call me from the airport to tell me to take their turn if they come up during the day, then call me in the evening to let me know they were back... i guess that is cheating? i just think the whole account sitting really needs to be modified for doubles... specifically for freestyle...

however, i know nothing of freestyle, because the only time i have played it, the obvious advantage was to have everyone online and taking their turn at the same time on phone, skype, chat engines, whatever... one person watches, sees nobody from the other team, everyone jumps online at the same time, and blows up the other side at once, before they have a chance to start... not very fun in my book, and the main reason i have played 2 and won 2 (or something like that)... we were even accused of cheating for all taking our turns at the same time!! it was "unfair"... whatever...

clear up the rules for baby sitting for team games. what is a strategic advantage? if someone takes my turn in a team game, and we gain a strategical edge, like a bonus, or a nice army to flood an area, is that cheating? is that a "strategic advantage"? if you are good team, any turn taken by a team member in a game should create a "strategic advantage", right? not a very clear rule for doubles. i play mostly doubles and have never come across this an issue, so i would love it to be cleared up... andy.. twill... looking for you...-0

[wicked]

i've had a partner take a turn in the morning, call me from the airport to tell me to take their turn if they come up during the day, then call me in the evening to let me know they were back... i guess that is cheating?

What you described is indeed against the babysitting rule. Babysitting shouldn't be used just to "speed a game along". If people have taken to doing this, then obviously we do need to clearly write out the rule. The rules are VERY CLEAR, and have always been the same. I'll see about getting them written down though, as it sounds like a lot of you are taking advantage of this privilege.

[wacicha]

Against your opinion of what the unwritten rule states, but not mine. I think we are going to put this on a Fast track (lol) to get an official ruling that meets the requirements of the population of CC and does not detract from the enjoyment of the game.

lol Something I rarely do but feel obligated to at this point.

[wicked]

Wacicha, this is not my opinion, this is what the official rule has always been. If you'd like to propose a new rule, please see the suggestions forum.

[Blitzaholic]

Teammates CAN babysit for each other as long as they're actually babysitting and not just trying to gain an advantage. The only person you cannot babysit for is an opponent in one of your games, for obvious reasons.

coop, she said you can babysit for your teammate as long as he/she is 24 hours away, but you cannot babysit for an opponent in the same game as you for obvious reasons.

I agree with wicked, HOWEVER, the only challenge I have is this, lets say for example wicked pm's me and asks "hey blitz" can you make my turns for tuesday as I will be away, and she pm's me this monday night with her password, and i respond, ok. so, then I take wicked's turns for her on tuesday morning as she asked, but then wicked returns tuesday late afternoon and pm;s me back saying, sorry, i got computer access now, didnt realize i was going to be able too, but did, no need to take my turns anymore, ty anyways. Now, how would this be my fault??? and it is sooner than 24 hours?


and my other point is this, some players have like 100 games going and time expires in many of them expire at different times, if i make all players turns on a friday morning and friday night to catch them up cause they have so many and they return from there weekend earlier than expected on saturday am, then some games when they log in, well, some of their games may be less than 24 hours sometimes, its just complicating, and not sure about all this, i think each case should be individualized and the partner covering or the babysitter covering should not be punished if they are doing a cc player a favor, I mean things happen, some return quicker than they are supposed to, others find access to computers that they didnt think they could, etc, and bla bla bla, and why should someone get penalized if the person returns earlier than you expected? how can one predict this outcome? sometimes, you just cant? so this rule needs to be modified some, and we need a full explanation in simplistic detail so all can understand it clearly. and is there an exception, like the ones i mentioned, if so, how does this can proven or unproven, very difficult to do.

[lord voldemort]

or penalise someone for signing on for a few minutes early in the morning to get a babysitter and try and get a few games done

[wicked]

Lord, it sounds like you could've taken your turns that morning when you signed in. And when initially asked, hulmey said he was taking your turns because you "were busy with school". It wasn't until later, well after the warnings came out, that he changed his story. You logged in at least three times that day, but most likely more. We do treat each case individually, or don't you remember me PMing you beforehand?

[lord voldemort]

Lord, it sounds like you could've taken your turns that morning when you signed in. And when initially asked, hulmey said he was taking your turns because you "were busy with school". It wasn't until later, well after the warnings came out, that he changed his story. You logged in at least three times that day, but most likely more. We do treat each case individually, or don't you remember me PMing you beforehand?

u asked me who was babysitting my account yer
hulmey prolly thought school cause thats usually where i would be, i didnt tell him of my plans. the point is i wasnt there
i signed on quickly looked for a babysitter took a few turns in the process.
i was at a fricken foo fighters concert all day. i got home very late that night went to bed and didnt get back on til early the next morning. i still missed turns ffs.
if i logged in several times during the day why wouldnt i take my other turns why would i get others to play my games. i actually enjoy playing you know.

[greenoaks]

why should you be allowed to have anyone take your turns at all ? if you miss your turn you miss your turn, RL happens.

now i can understand if CC allows a player to babysit an account if someone is going to miss 3 days in a row, but part of 1 day. come on, that is cheating.

[owenshooter]

I don't recall anything ever said "officially" for speed games. I've taken over for a couple people who couldn't finish a speed game, so they wouldn't deadbeat. I think speed games are definitely a different beast than the casual games.

So you guys tell me... Is babysitting being abused in speed games? If so, how? Do we need an "official" ruling? Let me know and I'll bring it up.

it isn't being abused in doubles games, and you don't understand that either, but it didn't prevent you from throwing your heft in on the subject and declaring a large chunk of doubles players cheaters!! so, now go ruin the speed games next! let's rewrite all the rules to fit into your understanding of what all the different types of games should be, even if you don't understand them. i'm more apt to agree with blitzaholic and his 3,000 plus games, than you with your bullying and 81 doubles games. if you are going to call people cheaters for an "unwritten rule" , you'd better know what the hell you are talking about. because you don't know how doubles teams operate. period. again, if you are going to have some massive rewrite, you need to seek the input of doubles players that have over 1K, 2K and 3K games for input.... babysitting is a very broadly used tool, and not to gain advantage, but to keep from missing turns...-0

[owenshooter]

did anyone miss this? 3,000 team games plus under his belt, but he has no idea what he is talking about.. wow... thank goodness this is all getting cleared up...

Teammates CAN babysit for each other as long as they're actually babysitting and not just trying to gain an advantage. The only person you cannot babysit for is an opponent in one of your games, for obvious reasons.

coop, she said you can babysit for your teammate as long as he/she is 24 hours away, but you cannot babysit for an opponent in the same game as you for obvious reasons.

I agree with wicked, HOWEVER, the only challenge I have is this, lets say for example wicked pm's me and asks "hey blitz" can you make my turns for tuesday as I will be away, and she pm's me this monday night with her password, and i respond, ok. so, then I take wicked's turns for her on tuesday morning as she asked, but then wicked returns tuesday late afternoon and pm;s me back saying, sorry, i got computer access now, didnt realize i was going to be able too, but did, no need to take my turns anymore, ty anyways. Now, how would this be my fault??? and it is sooner than 24 hours?


and my other point is this, some players have like 100 games going and time expires in many of them expire at different times, if i make all players turns on a friday morning and friday night to catch them up cause they have so many and they return from there weekend earlier than expected on saturday am, then some games when they log in, well, some of their games may be less than 24 hours sometimes, its just complicating, and not sure about all this, i think each case should be individualized and the partner covering or the babysitter covering should not be punished if they are doing a cc player a favor, I mean things happen, some return quicker than they are supposed to, others find access to computers that they didnt think they could, etc, and bla bla bla, and why should someone get penalized if the person returns earlier than you expected? how can one predict this outcome? sometimes, you just cant? so this rule needs to be modified some, and we need a full explanation in simplistic detail so all can understand it clearly. and is there an exception, like the ones i mentioned, if so, how does this can proven or unproven, very difficult to do.

[lord voldemort]

why should you be allowed to have anyone take your turns at all ? if you miss your turn you miss your turn, RL happens.

now i can understand if CC allows a player to babysit an account if someone is going to miss 3 days in a row, but part of 1 day. come on, that is cheating.

cause id rather not miss a turn that could result in losing a game

[owenshooter]

now i can understand if CC allows a player to babysit an account if someone is going to miss 3 days in a row, but part of 1 day. come on, that is cheating.

3 team games... i don't think you are really the best person to be arguing for the prosecution or witch hunt. whatever you want to call it...-0

[DirtyDishSoap]

Alright for the most part i can understand where this rule is coming from.
But i think the "Wait 24 hours" is bullshit. Look at it this way, if someone comes on here for whatever reason, trashed, injured, explosive diareah, and they come to you and ask if you can sit them for like, say a couple weeks, no specific time given they will just mail you when their back. You look through the games and hypothetically lets say the man/women is just about to win some games, but if they miss a turn their fucked, how in the world is that fair to them? I can understand about teammates (and oppenents is also a gimme) but for shit sakes, 24 hours? Wait for them to miss a turn in half their games? Its a bullshit rule.

Now lets say the unwritten law is you can account sit for oppenents, teammates under certain restrictions and well to be generous instead of a waiting period of 24 hours, why not 12? Thumbs up for that rule!

Just my closing argument

[wicked]

owen, it doesn't take someone well-versed in team to understand the current rule, which requires someone to be gone for at least 24 hours before getting an account sitter. Let's not bash someone just because they understand the rule. Since this is a Q&A topic, I'm going to lock it since the official CC answer has been given here already. If you want to discuss requesting a new rule, do it in the GD thread. Thanks.