OBAMA

[Roger Dodger]

AJ
it is not racism i am preaching here. and, i hate it when that becomes the first word out of anyones mouth.

it has to do with what i think is going to happen. and, come election day you will see it.

independents, republicans and unhappy dems will vote for mcain.

the real fact is: the democratic party didn't have anyone worth putting up for the job.

this was the first time that many people felt the choices were lean. no heavy hitters.
I can not say i like hillary because i can't stand her but, what? vote for someone just because he or she is a Dem. ?

that is insane. besides this whole super delegate thing is for the birds as well as how the reg. delegates get divided.

i think the republicans have it right. winner take all. if that had happened who knows how it would have turned out.
I still would not have voted for hillary.

[RiskTycoon]

funny thing is too ... Hillary had a much better chance of winning .... can't tell you how many older life long Dems i have talked to that are horrified Obama was chosen ! ... too funny

[Roger Dodger]

it is really too bad. i think i will buy an island. I think i will call it Gilligan.

Ped? don't you have a muslim extremist problem in England you need to be checking on?

Anyone who says they want to annialate an entire race is dangerous.

when i talk about Iran I mean his heart felt hatred for Israel. they are people too.

[heavycola]

so Roger, in other words are you saying it's a choice between a human poop sandwich and a horse poop one? i mean neither sound good but I'd rather eat horse poop than human poop if i had to lol ... i mean, it's not a choice between like Washington and Lincoln !

oh and there is no way he can be elected ... some people think the reverend thing didn't hurt him much ... but look at the polls ... when people look at these they don't look deep enough .. for example ...
national polls - and the attendant wishful-thinking among all the Barack fans in the media - that show "0-Bama bouncing back" and has thus "overcome any damage done to him by Rev Jeremiah Wright"?

NOTHING.

These polls are a measure of how Barack Hussein Obama is thought of by DEMOCRAT VOTERS ONLY - they are the ones who will first forgive and forget the Rev Wright-Obama love affair.

There remains No Evidence (nor any common sense) suggesting INDEPENDENT and REPUBLICAN voters - most espceically White, Blue Collar voters in key swing states - have forgiven nor forgotten the hateful Wright and Obama's long, close embrace of Wright's twisted dogma.

From here, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA REMAINS UNELECTABLE IN A GENERAL ELECTION.

WHy do you insist on using his middle name each time? Do you refer to his opponent as John Sidney McCain III?

[jay_a2j]

WHy do you insist on using his middle name each time? Do you refer to his opponent as John Sidney McCain III?

Good point.



In other news:

YES WE CAN!

[joecoolfrog]

and what is England now?just another UN member,living under the new euro sociolist system.

Hey, let's be like England and turn in our guns and eat crappy food..yum yum

3 factual mistakes in 3 lines.....pretty good effort

[suggs]

and what is England now?just another UN member,living under the new euro sociolist system.

Hey, let's be like England and turn in our guns and eat crappy food..yum yum

Laughable. Your conclusion (that England is a second rate, even third rate global power) is correct.
But you think this is because we negiotated with the IRA?
Difficult to know where to begin with this one.
Ah, how about:
ITS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.
To cut a long story short, the reason why England is a second rate power is the 2nd world war, which basically bankrupted us.
Or, to go back further, its simply the inevitable result of the long run unsustainability of global empire - at least for a country of Englands small size.

The war with the IRA restarted in the 1970s - by which time, england had no empire of any substance left anyway.
It's difficult for to be polite to you, but i would suggest you know less about these matters than my pet gerbil.

[suggs]

As an aside, its prob a good idea to lower expectations a bit when Obama does rout the Republicans in the Fall.
Your system of government (this is not a criticism) is darn good at providing stability and compromise -but less good at securing a President a strong mandate.(Conversely, this is good news for all tthose Republicans worried about a lurch to the left -I doubt Congress will let that happen).
Sorry, you chaps prob know this already, but i just thought i would squeak up.

[jonesthecurl]

WHy do you insist on using his middle name each time? Do you refer to his opponent as John Sidney McCain III?

Good point.



In other news:

YES WE CAN!

What was the question?
Oh, I know:
Bob the Builder, Bob the Builder!
Can we fix it?

[DIXIE]

WHy do you insist on using his middle name each time? Do you refer to his opponent as John Sidney McCain III?

Good point.



In other news:

YES WE CAN!

why his his middle name an issue is not Obama offensive enough?This is America land of the free home of the brave and before you people go crazy on me you are wasting your time,I will not could not ever vote for Obama the list of reason are too long to list but I willl go into a few..If you judge the man by the company he keeps,you have to know is he a racist,yes he is,his pastor may as well have been Al Sharpton, so if its about race hes as guilty as anyone else ,Hamas has backed him and his campaign manager replied that he was flattered?um hello?His Patriotism is in high question,he wont salute our flag.His lack of experience is a whole other story.VOTE John Sidney McCain III 08!!!!!!!!

[MeDeFe]

So? Bin Laden helped Bush get reelected by criticising him. That old harp about not saluting the flag has been soundly dealt with, I'll just point you in the general direction of Snopes and give oyu the advice not to believe everything they tell you on Fox.

[Juan_Bottom]

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Is there any truth to this? Anyone hear about this before? It seems made-up, but I can't be for sure.

[Frigidus]

so Roger, in other words are you saying it's a choice between a human poop sandwich and a horse poop one? i mean neither sound good but I'd rather eat horse poop than human poop if i had to lol ... i mean, it's not a choice between like Washington and Lincoln !

oh and there is no way he can be elected ... some people think the reverend thing didn't hurt him much ... but look at the polls ... when people look at these they don't look deep enough .. for example ...
national polls - and the attendant wishful-thinking among all the Barack fans in the media - that show "0-Bama bouncing back" and has thus "overcome any damage done to him by Rev Jeremiah Wright"?

NOTHING.

These polls are a measure of how Barack Hussein Obama is thought of by DEMOCRAT VOTERS ONLY - they are the ones who will first forgive and forget the Rev Wright-Obama love affair.

There remains No Evidence (nor any common sense) suggesting INDEPENDENT and REPUBLICAN voters - most espceically White, Blue Collar voters in key swing states - have forgiven nor forgotten the hateful Wright and Obama's long, close embrace of Wright's twisted dogma.

From here, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA REMAINS UNELECTABLE IN A GENERAL ELECTION.

OK, yeah. Hello, I'm an independent. I found it quite funny (and depressing) to watch everyone splutter and gasp over something that some guys fucking pastor said. I suppose that as an athiest I can't really draw the connection, but let me ask you: Do you agree with everything your pastor says? If you answer yes I have next to no respect for you. That was the church that Obama grew up with, and his pastor was likely his father figure throughout a good deal of his life. The fact that he stuck with him for so long despite the potential risks of doing so says mountains more than if he had thrown him on the wayside as soon as things got tough. Hell, I wouldn't vote for someone whose personal ties have that little substance, it indicates to me that they care about nothing but power. The same goes for that racist preacher that endorsed McCain. Who cares? Jesus, let me break this down. If you're looking at a candidate, you should look at one of two things. First off, examine their policies. Second, examine their personal character. What you don't do is look at people vaguely connected to them, dig out their personal history, and smear their name. That sort of politics is disgusting and should be reserved for the sort of people that give half a shit about what Britney Spears is doing. I have some qualms about Obama's policies, but I have so far seen no reason to distrust his character. Also, if you honestly think that Obama is unelectable, you're giving WAY too much credit to the American people. The average independent associates the Republicans with George W. Bush, and the only reason he wasn't tossed out last term was that Kerry was a complete oaf. I don't see how Obama could lose without a huge change in the current situation.

[kentington]

He's the antichrist, what did you expect?

Yay for Obama. And yay for the US - this is a massive landmark. A black presidential frontrunner. Fantastic. Way to go!

'Ooooh his wife isn't proud enough to be american, his pastor [who Obama has cut ties with] said some bad things' - are these really reasons to vote GOP? Really?

I wonder if, come polling day, the US will demonstrate it has healed itself enough to vote in a black president. Hope so.



BTW RD - please see the 'universal healthcare' thread. It will explain to you just how disastrously wrong you are on this issue.

These are good reasons not to vote for him. Spouses are good reflections of their counterparts and usually share the same political stance or separate pretty quickly over it. I think it is ridiculous not to take into account his religious influence. If his religious influence didn't have to do with racism and putting down other groups and basically hating America then that would be different. Check out this video.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EdAKM5bPX2M&watch_response

[Juan_Bottom]

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Is there any truth to this? Anyone hear about this before? It seems made-up, but I can't be for sure.

And this article mentions an ALLEGED recording of his wife using racist remarks during a speech, at that same chuch. But again, IT IS ONLY ALLEGED.

[Frigidus]

He's the antichrist, what did you expect?

Yay for Obama. And yay for the US - this is a massive landmark. A black presidential frontrunner. Fantastic. Way to go!

'Ooooh his wife isn't proud enough to be american, his pastor [who Obama has cut ties with] said some bad things' - are these really reasons to vote GOP? Really?

I wonder if, come polling day, the US will demonstrate it has healed itself enough to vote in a black president. Hope so.



BTW RD - please see the 'universal healthcare' thread. It will explain to you just how disastrously wrong you are on this issue.

These are good reasons not to vote for him. Spouses are good reflections of their counterparts and usually share the same political stance or separate pretty quickly over it. I think it is ridiculous not to take into account his religious influence. If his religious influence didn't have to do with racism and putting down other groups and basically hating America then that would be different. Check out this video.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EdAKM5bPX2M&watch_response

I don't want a president who's retardedly patriotic, they usually make poor decisions that piss everyone in the entire world off.

As to Wright, let me give you an example I have myself. I respect my father more than most people in this world, but he has some ideas that I downright disagree with. He's very Republican (the classical kind, he hates the neo-cons), and some of his economic ideas can be a bit extreme. Heck, he's even borderline racist. However, if someone were to quote my dad and accuse him of being a racist I would fight them. There is no question of this. I love my family, and if I were to publicly criticize any one of them I would consider myself a lesser person. I also would say the same of my close friends. Not quite the same situation, but very similar.

[Juan_Bottom]

I must say that I do believe that Wright does have a point. The media is painting him as a racist monster, but I don't believe that's what he is. It seems to me the media just wants a good anti-Obama story. I hate how everything he says is taken out of context. Wright was saying that the government is racist. And I don't think he is wrong. And I can't fault him for believing that the government sent out viles of medicine for HEP. B, contaminated with AIDS, to black and gay men. I don't agree with him, but I see how he came to that conclusion.

Is there anyone else brave enough to post here that hasn't only listened to clips of his speeches?

[Frigidus]

I must say that I do believe that Wright does have a point. The media is painting him as a racist monster, but I don't believe that's what he is. It seems to me the media just wants a good anti-Obama story. I hate how everything he says is taken out of context. Wright was saying that the government is racist. And I don't think he is wrong. And I can't fault him for believing that the government sent out viles of medicine for HEP. B, contaminated with AIDS, to black and gay men. I don't agree with him, but I see how he came to that conclusion.

Is there anyone else brave enough to post here that hasn't only listened to clips of his speeches?

Oh, no doubt, Wright is wrong on many (most, perhaps) of his points. Perhaps he is racist. However his suspicion of the government, rather than his blind loyalty, makes him much more American than most. I find it very interesting to hear people call others anti-American for taking stances that the founding fathers would likely have approved of...but what can I do, it's a cultural thing.

[gdeangel]

McCain is going to go down in flames. It's obvious he's gotten some bad campaign advice. He is running very wishy washy feel good adds trying to pretend he is O'Bama. At the same time he's sending mailings that are basically "sky is falling" letters that say stuff like: do you think we should give bombs to terrorists or stay in Iraq?

I really really really hope that Hillary will have the guts to flip off the party and go it alone. In a three way race, she can stake claim to the center and win. It's like the difference between 1v1 and 3-ways singles... the effective win position is entirely different!

[kentington]

Frigidus: The father analogy doesn't really work in this situation. You can not choose your father, you can not choose to leave until a certain age. However, you can choose your church. If I chose to go to a church where the Rev. made displays and rants such as these or even alluded to racism I would expect people to believe I had these same values. You are correct you don't believe everything your pastor says, but if my pastor said something against my principles, values, or moral code I would call him on it and leave. I would not continue to go to the church for 20 years. If you believe his character has nothing to do with his church then why would he lie about it? Tell the whole truth or worse will be believed because the case is usually worse.

[CoffeeCream]

As a veteran myself, I respect Mcain. POW for all those years and still has lots of fight in him.

Obama really doesn't even have a chance at this job. he wants to negotiate with terrorists.

that is totally ridiculous. his wife is a wack job too. born & raised in this country and NOW she's proud of being an american

That is just fracking amazing to me.

These are just some of the reasons I'm thinking about voting for McCain. I know most people will think it's just sour grapes because Richardson didn't get in but the Reverand Wright thing was just too much for me to stomach. He sat under that guy's preaching for how many years? I just can't see voting for someone who has been constantly listening to sermons about how to hate America.

[Juan_Bottom]

Frigidus: The father analogy doesn't really work in this situation. You can not choose your father, you can not choose to leave until a certain age. However, you can choose your church. If I chose to go to a church where the Rev. made displays and rants such as these or even alluded to racism I would expect people to believe I had these same values. You are correct you don't believe everything your pastor says, but if my pastor said something against my principles, values, or moral code I would call him on it and leave. I would not continue to go to the church for 20 years. If you believe his character has nothing to do with his church then why would he lie about it? Tell the whole truth or worse will be believed because the case is usually worse.

Yes? But! you do support our government, which is racist. Theres some hypocrisy there. And you are ignoring my post, which FRIGIDUS was responding to. I don't believe the reverend was being prejudised against anyone but our government. Seriously, his The Government Lies speech that this all came from was hilarious. THE GOV'MNT LIES!!!!

I think Obama hung around because this all was media hype. Why abandon someone cause CNN labels them something that you know they are not? there was nothing to call him on.

[suggs]

Obama hung around because he is a very fine politician.
There! That was an easy one!

[Juan_Bottom]

Obama hung around because he is a very fine politician.
There! That was an easy one!

While this is certainly possible, This Reverend Wright thing is hurting him. Just look at all the people posting here.

[suggs]

I'd be surprised if anyone remembers it, come polling day.
AND VOTE, YOU ....
Remember all the patriots who died to set you free.
(Tho, granted it meant you now can't make a decent cup of tea to save your lives )