Does America need a revolution?

ttocs · Post by **ttocs** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:08 pm

sigh... I hpe we get an at least okay pres for the next term, it almost makes you think that they change the votes

P Gizzle · Post by **P Gizzle** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:14 pm

indeed

strike wolf · Post by **strike wolf** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:27 pm

happysadfun wrote:a revolution would not really decrease voter apathy too much.

It would if you killed all the apathetic people in the revolution.

Roger Dodger · Post by **Roger Dodger** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:43 pm

what are you a freakin' communist or socialist.

America is a great country. people who are not happy here should feel free to leave.

freakin' liberals.

And, rich porter, you must be talking about the lamont/lieberman show on TV.

not for nothing but, i think i'm sticking with Joe vs a old money rich kid who knows nothing about politics.

live in CT too btw

strike wolf · Post by **strike wolf** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:50 pm

I don't really want a revolution but there are definite problems with both major parties and the way the media doesn't respect the government in general.

ttocs · Post by **ttocs** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:28 pm

strike wolf wrote:I don't really want a revolution but there are definite problems with both major parties and the way the media doesn't respect the government in general.

I agree, I would at least like a few problems to be fixed

P Gizzle · Post by **P Gizzle** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:37 pm

yes, but that is why we only have a pres for a max 8 years. there will be changes. and it will most likely be in the favor of liberals

Caleb the Cruel · Post by **Caleb the Cruel** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:17 pm

yes...and this republic shall fall...within my lifetime...

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:25 pm

Cheesemore wrote:We don't need a revolution, we just have to put up with a C average president for 2 more years

Hey now, we put up with a D- president for 8 years in the 90's. A C is a welcome change.

We can have a "revolution" of sorts without really having a revolution. If everyone voted for the Independant canidate across the board it would surely send a message to both Republicans and Democrats.

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:23 am

jay_a2j wrote:
Cheesemore wrote:We don't need a revolution, we just have to put up with a C average president for 2 more years

Hey now, we put up with a D- president for 8 years in the 90's. A C is a welcome change.

We can have a "revolution" of sorts without really having a revolution. If everyone voted for the Independant canidate across the board it would surely send a message to both Republicans and Democrats.

WE all know independents are flaming liberals.

qeee1 · Post by **qeee1** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:18 pm

Anyone buying a t-shirt with Che on it is literally pissing on everything that Che stood for. They are not would-be revolutionaries. They are people who think the t-shirt looks nice.

Heh, I can agree on that too. Knowing what Che did, I'd choose not to wear his T-shirt, he's not exactly a perfect role model. Even if he was, right now I'd choose not to wear it because it's meaningless.

Peaceful protests rarely accomplish anything, especially in recent times. 100,000 or so (about 1/10 of the population of the greater Dublin area) marched in Dublin around the time of the war in Iraq, to demonstrate against the governments allowing the US military to use one of our airports as a stop off and refuelling point. Nothing happened. 5 or so slightly crazed people went to attack US jets with a (normal, treecutting) axe it was all over the papers, and sparked national debate. Both were ignored in the end, but the latter had a far greater effect.

A revolution right now would probably be disasterous anyway, with strong conflicting religious interests trying to influence the country.

It'll be interesting to see what the next American president is like. Aside from some vague memories of Clinton (most of which centre around 1 (somewhat unimportant issue), the only American president I've had any real experience of is Bush. I don't think major change can come through the existing political system however. I guess I'll be better able to judge the need for revolution when I see the next president.

just wait two more years, and we'll have a crybaby president.......as usual.

What's that mean, you've firmly aligned yourself with one of the two in the blinding political binary? Congratulations.

not for nothing but, i think i'm sticking with Joe vs a old money rich kid who knows nothing about politics.

I have no idea what you're talking about most of the time... that post included... are you talking about me?

Joe McCarthy · Post by **Joe McCarthy** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:55 pm

Hes talking about Joe Leiberman in the Senate race in Conneticut.

To you revolution types, stop with the melodrama already. This isnt a dictatorship and you arent facing down Hitler so quit acting like youre enduring some terrible hardship. Things are fine even if a bunch of people are all worked up about nothing. So there is a messy war going on, on big deal. Compared to many other wars this one is nothing in terms of lives lost or money spent or any of that. When this period in history is looked back on they'll wonder what the big deal is with all the protests and crap.

mr. incrediball · Post by **mr. incrediball** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:39 pm

A revolution??? no, but a two party system is dumb, look at the U.K, over here anyone can start a new party as long as they have some dough, but no-one takes advantage of that right, it's being hidden by these three:

Labour
Conservatives
Liberal democrats

course why wouldn't they? more paerties means more opposition, and it's not like the opportunity isn't there...

joeyjordison · Post by **joeyjordison** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:25 pm

a violent revolution would effect the entire planet and would not be good but a major political change towards a more green and less gung ho party would be good whether it is elected or forced upon america

Caleb the Cruel · Post by **Caleb the Cruel** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:04 pm

...and the fall of the republic shall affect all the people of the earth...

mr. incrediball · Post by **mr. incrediball** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:06 pm

no, it won't, trust me, if america loses democracy, the worst that can happen to the rest of the earth is that we lose some tv shows...

Joe McCarthy · Post by **Joe McCarthy** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:02 pm

You guys that dont understand the two party system here, let me tell you why its fine. What happens is that those two parties evolve and when a new idea comes along and gets wide enough acceptance one of the two parties co-opts it. So no third party can get a good head of steam going, by the time their platform starts to get wide accptance one one of the big parties snags it.

The sytem works well for stablilty too, we dont have to have negotiations beween parties over control of the government. That sort of system results in minor parties having too much influence. They get a small percentage of the vote but their few seats in the legislative body becomes a swing vote which they can use for a lot of negotiating leverage.

strike wolf · Post by **strike wolf** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:46 pm

reverend_kyle wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
Cheesemore wrote:We don't need a revolution, we just have to put up with a C average president for 2 more years

Hey now, we put up with a D- president for 8 years in the 90's. A C is a welcome change.

We can have a "revolution" of sorts without really having a revolution. If everyone voted for the Independant canidate across the board it would surely send a message to both Republicans and Democrats.
WE all know independents are flaming liberals.

Wait rev. Aren't you a flaming liberal?

terrafirma · Post by **terrafirma** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:51 am

a revolution isnt needed. a good president is needed. i garentee that if we had someonelike FDR or woodrow wilson as president the country would be in a much better spot then it is now. and why are all you europeans posting? you guys had your chance at world politics and got bitched out by your former colonies. maybe 230 years isnt that much time for a country to be around but in that time we have risen to be a world power and kept europe a freen continent so keep your mouth shut.

Caleb the Cruel · Post by **Caleb the Cruel** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:07 pm

terrafirma wrote:a revolution isnt needed. a good president is needed. i garentee that if we had someonelike FDR or woodrow wilson as president the country would be in a much better spot then it is now. and why are all you europeans posting? you guys had your chance at world politics and got bitched out by your former colonies. maybe 230 years isnt that much time for a country to be around but in that time we have risen to be a world power and kept europe a freen continent so keep your mouth shut.

you've got quite a large mouth for your first post!

happysadfun · Post by **happysadfun** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:13 pm

Caleb the Cruel wrote:
terrafirma wrote:a revolution isnt needed. a good president is needed. i garentee that if we had someonelike FDR or woodrow wilson as president the country would be in a much better spot then it is now. and why are all you europeans posting? you guys had your chance at world politics and got bitched out by your former colonies. maybe 230 years isnt that much time for a country to be around but in that time we have risen to be a world power and kept europe a freen continent so keep your mouth shut.
you've got quite a large mouth for your first post!

He has some good ideas though. Such as:

and why are all you europeans posting? you guys had your chance at world politics and got bitched out by your former colonies. maybe 230 years isnt that much time for a country to be around but in that time we have risen to be a world power and kept europe a freen continent so keep your mouth shut.

This statement is partially true; Irish people can stay because Ireland is cool. Other Europeans should let America decide if their country needs a revolution.

mr. incrediball · Post by **mr. incrediball** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:38 pm

so america has kept europe a "freen" continent has it? so tell me this, what would have happened without the u.k and yes, even the USSR in world war II (which is very obviously what you're talkin about) i'll tell you, nazis take over europe before america comes along, develop better weapons and BOOM! hitlers statue is in front of the white house! (btw i'm not supporting communists i'm just saying that particular country had an effect in wwII) you americans think all our countries wouldn't last a second without you don't you? we're only posting because we'd like to have an opinion!!!

Caleb the Cruel · Post by **Caleb the Cruel** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:56 pm

...and the fall of the republic shall affect all the people of the earth...
there, that's why europeans should post their comments

ksslemp · Post by **ksslemp** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:00 pm

I see many postings stating how "Big Business" is poisoning the American political system. I agree, but you have to include Labor Unions as an equal part of the problem. We don't need a revolution to get our representative to actually "represent" us, we just need to take our VOTE seriously and educate ourselves on the issues Before pulling that lever!

It's time for a Third party made up of members of the other 2 that actually listen to the people and want to Fix problems instead of filibuster them until after the election.

A Revolution in MEXICO would probably help America more!, and Mexico to be sure.

ksslemp · Post by **ksslemp** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:10 pm

P Gizzle wrote: deal with it. life is too short to waste it on politics!

If you care about what kind of Country and for that matter what kind of World your children will have when you're gone, then you'd be wise to "waste" a little time on Politics!

Just saying, would you agree?