Petition to remove World 2.0

holyboy666 · Post by **holyboy666** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:15 pm

There are many maps on CC that I would LOVE to get rid of, both because of country placement and just general fustration. But I don't petition to get rid of these. I think people should express their distaste in a map the best way possible: by not playing it. If no one is playing a map, then it should be removed. But members are choosing to play this map, and therefore members are enjoying the different gameplay it presents. If you don't like it, don't play it. That is the best way to show lack your opinoin on it.

cramill · Post by **cramill** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:30 pm

holyboy666 wrote:I don't petition to get rid of these. I think people should express their distaste in a map the best way possible: by not playing it. If no one is playing a map, then it should be removed. But members are choosing to play this map, and therefore members are enjoying the different gameplay it presents. If you don't like it, don't play it.

I agree, just what I was going to say.

Fieryo · Post by **Fieryo** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:41 pm

here here! I think the bigger topic here is do we have too many maps? I think that as long as there is server room, the more the merrier, I don't like certain maps, so i don't play them. I don't go around telling others not too.

sfhbballnut · Post by **sfhbballnut** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:51 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:To all those who dissent, I ask of you, where were you during the map creation in the Foundry? Did you voice your opinions, thoughts, and ideas? Or did you sit idly back, muttering and complaining to yourself?

Bottom line: Be vocal and active in map creation. That's what the Foundry is all about. Everyone can express their opinions, and those who don't, shouldn't complain, because the option is there.

As was stated earlier, this map surely won't be for all, but I think it is an interesting step into a new direction. And perhaps in our future updates, we'll have something that will improve the gameplay of this map and other similar ones.

My two bananas.

--Andy

OWNED, if you didn't help make it don't bash it

gavin_sidhu · Post by **gavin_sidhu** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:00 pm

Hoff wrote:
Jamie wrote:How could a map, that's been in use less than a week, be your favorite, and why?
I like the map because it is so big. You get alot of men each turn, which in turn causes you to think more about where to stick all these men. I like how there are sub-continents and a bonus for holding continents. I like how there are many territories so its like there are many side games going on at once in different parts of the world. There is more strategy because there is more to do and to think about. Its my favorite map because of these reasons and i'm in about 15 games at this map already and they are some of the most enjoyable games i've been in.

So maybe you don't like it because its too confusing for you...

I don't like the increadibly large number of men you get at the beginning, because it is variable, I think the bonus without continents is very important in the map, which is annoying. Still love the map overall, tis great.

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:25 pm

Pedronicus wrote:Marmite is a British savoury spread made from yeast extract, a by-product of beer brewing

Wow! Myself and the "Warlords of Wort" throw this stuff away by the gallon! We call it "Yeast Slurry" and usually goes down the drain unless re-pitching into another batch or saved for future brews.

It's that stuff at the bottom...and I would NEVER eat it on crackers.

Jamie · Post by **Jamie** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:14 am

t is appaernt that none of you get it. This map is a world map. We already have a world map. This site is less than a year old, and yet, look how much it has grown (if you were around when this site was first activated). It's ok to have different maps to play, but lets make sure it is different. What's next, another map of europe?? There are plenty of other maps we could use. There's no South America map, Antarctic Map, or Austrailian Map. There are over a thousand cities on the planet with a popultion of 1 million or more,why not a map of those, or mars, or the moon. If we are going to have alot of maps, let's have different ones, not variations of an existing map. I HATE crossword, but it's unique. I just don't play it. World 2.0 is not unique. We have a world map, that actually is playable with no bugs to work out. And to whoever is responsible for actually putting a finished map out to play. Play it a few times in a test room or something to make sure it has no bugs.

dafranca · Post by **dafranca** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:20 am

I will not play this map again unless we get 8-9 players to play it.

AK_iceman · Post by **AK_iceman** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:33 am

This map has a few new ideas that NO OTHER map has...

It has continent bonuses AND subcontinent bonuses
It has over 100 territories, which adds a lot to the strategy since everyone gets more armies each turn.
It paves the way for 8 player games which are currently pending on the to-do list.

I just started my first game on the map, and I was very confused at first. But once I get used to it, I'm sure I will love it.

Plus, some new maps have bugs when they first get put into play. That shouldnt be a reason to get rid of the map entirely since they can easily be fixed.

Seronja · Post by **Seronja** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:20 am

dafranca wrote:I will not play this map again unless we get 8-9 players to play it.

And yet in your tourney you will make 6 people battle it out there with flat rate/adjacent fortifications.

how cruel

dafranca · Post by **dafranca** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:33 am

No sure yet if I will have this Map on the King Match.

Teya · Post by **Teya** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:01 am

Im with the majority. If you dont like it, dont play it.
Yes there is already a world map, but the 2 maps are so different it doesnt matter. As AK_iceman points out, the world 2.0 map has new ideas that no other map has.

Jamie, there are 2 australia maps in the making. 1 is waiting for final forge... & a moon map is also being discussed. A second europe map is being made as well. Do you actually go into map foundry??? A little research into your arguments wouldnt go astray.

Also, you try to make a point that only 1 world map is needed...... there is 2 USA maps. But they are different so it doesnt matter.

Teya · Post by **Teya** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:03 am

I forgot to add... you think its impossible to finish.... there are currently 22 completed games on this map. The map has only been up a few days.

KEYOGI · Post by **KEYOGI** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:42 am

I'm enjoying the map so far. Offers a fresh new challenge and an interesting twist with the sub-continents. If you don't like it don't play it. There are plenty of maps on the site that I have never played and have no interest in playing. It doesn't mean they should be removed.

I don't have problems with there being multiple versions of regions/countries as long as they are different enough to offer a different gaming experience. There are two based on USA and four based in North America.

Should Bungie stop making Halo games? Should Quentin Tarantino stop making action movies? They're basically more of the same but offer something different at the same time.

The more maps the better in my opinion, but there must be a point where there are no more maps made of an existing area. Two world-based maps are great. I currently prefer the new version over the old. How many times can you play classic?

Pedronicus · Post by **Pedronicus** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:51 am

dafranca wrote:I will not play this map again unless we get 8-9 players to play it.

And I'm not going to play it until we get more than 1 hour per turn. If in escalating mode you managed to get up to 80-100 armies per card and you kill someone - and trade in another set of cards - it's going to require a lot of thought of where to deploy armies.

I think this map is SO big - it requires a special 2 Hours allowed per turn - just so you're not rushed into bad placements.

LazarusLong · Post by **LazarusLong** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:01 am

I don't like this thread so I think this forum should be removed.

Nice map Zim.

SirSebstar · Post by **SirSebstar** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:06 am

LazarusLong wrote:I don't like this thread so I think this forum should be removed.

lol

Nikolai · Post by **Nikolai** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:08 am

I love this map. It's one of a very few maps available here that is large enough to force the winner to be determined mostly by gameplay throughout the game, not by deployment and how the first three rounds are played.

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:52 am

Jamie wrote:t is appaernt that none of you get it. This map is a world map. We already have a world map. This site is less than a year old, and yet, look how much it has grown (if you were around when this site was first activated). It's ok to have different maps to play, but lets make sure it is different. What's next, another map of europe?? There are plenty of other maps we could use. There's no South America map, Antarctic Map, or Austrailian Map. There are over a thousand cities on the planet with a popultion of 1 million or more,why not a map of those, or mars, or the moon. If we are going to have alot of maps, let's have different ones, not variations of an existing map. I HATE crossword, but it's unique. I just don't play it. World 2.0 is not unique. We have a world map, that actually is playable with no bugs to work out. And to whoever is responsible for actually putting a finished map out to play. Play it a few times in a test room or something to make sure it has no bugs.

You are complaining that the world map is not unique?? I would say its easily the most unique map on this site, for all of the reasons people have mentioned in this thread!

The geographic area that a map covers has little to do with the game itself. The only reason it exists is to give everyone a pretty little visual of what is going on- it doesn't matter what that picture is. You could take every map on this site and base them around the countries of the world without changing the gameplay of the maps. Guess which ones would stand out the most? Probably World 2.0 and USApocalypse- both of which were remakes of geographical areas that had already been done!

I understand that you don't like the different gameplay that World 2.0 offers, and that is fine. However as evidenced by this thread and poll, a lot of people on the site would prefer a map that is truly different- one with many more countries and continents to make the strategy more in depth and to make the games last longer. That is what World 2.0 offers and that is why people enjoy it. If you do not, then stick to the maps that you enjoy and be happy as well.

KoolBak · Post by **KoolBak** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:42 pm

I love it - and maybe you whiners should go volunteer at some community organization that could always use help from folks with too much time on their hands, cripe!

Pedro - I say if the time limit is gonna be changer, lets make it a half-hour to really increase the challenge...AND you should only be able to play freestyle...yeah, thats the ticket!

joeyjordison · Post by **joeyjordison** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:35 pm

cba readin whole thread but 1. marmite is REALY nice will loads of butter on hot toast in the evenin. in fact i am about to eat some. i recommend all people mail order some in to try if u never hav.

as for the map i like it but cannot see it very well. i'm not colourblind but all the colours are really confusin.

is there a way to get a simple map version where there is no colour on the continents. just the continent line in red or somethin and the ter separations? then the army colours would stand out much better. as it is i am copyin the armies pic and looking at the armies with no background. i was considerin editin out the colour of the map for my own use.

edit: i also think it is unfair to try to remove a map. the time for complaints was wen it was bein made and if u don't like it just don't play it

cramill · Post by **cramill** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:46 pm

Jamie wrote:There's no South America map, Antarctic Map, or Austrailian Map.

All being worked on, check the map foundry.

Pedronicus wrote:I think this map is SO big - it requires a special 2 Hours allowed per turn - just so you're not rushed into bad placements.

If it takes you even an hour with this map, maybe you think too long. I don't think two hours will be needed.

Kayla · Post by **Kayla** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:17 pm

well i would have to agree with him that the map is pointless. You mentioned that two world maps were okay. Well i think the second one should of been the classic supremacy map. I loved that one. Maps should be unique, but not unique and stupid both. USA I would agree has too many maps, but the only one that is really good apocolypse. I do keep up with the map foundry and i believe i DID say i didn't like any of it, and said what i didn't like. The map is pointless and taking up room. We shouldnt just approve any map because its finished. It has to be a good map.

AK_iceman · Post by **AK_iceman** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:26 pm

Well, the majority of the people who did speak up LIKED the map. Just because one or two people don't like it doesn't mean it shouldn't be put into play.

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:44 pm

Kayla wrote:well i would have to agree with him that the map is pointless. You mentioned that two world maps were okay. Well i think the second one should of been the classic supremacy map. I loved that one. Maps should be unique, but not unique and stupid both. USA I would agree has too many maps, but the only one that is really good apocolypse. I do keep up with the map foundry and i believe i DID say i didn't like any of it, and said what i didn't like. The map is pointless and taking up room. We shouldnt just approve any map because its finished. It has to be a good map.

These are the reasons you provided for why you don't like the map:
-its pointless
-its stupid

If those are the types of criticisms you provide to maps it's no wonder they get made anyway. You need to be more specific and constuctive with your feedback. As many people have said, there are many things that World 2.0 has that no other map has provided which is a clear reason it is liked. It is understood that not EVERYONE will like the map, but the general consensus is that it is a good map and other people do like it....that is the reason that it was made.

Petition to remove World 2.0

Do you want to get rid of the World 2.0 map?

Re: Your favorite map???