Free Speech? Where?

[angola]

Write a song, go to jail.
This isn't China.

I'm utterly shocked Fox News ran this story.

You'd think after N.W.A.'s lyrics, this shit would be cool, but if he threatened specific cops, well, I'm not as sure.

[Army of GOD]

What if I threatened myself? Could I press charges on someone like Orlando Bloom?

That'd be fun!

[GabonX]

Write a song, go to jail.
This isn't China.

I'm utterly shocked Fox News ran this story.

You'd think after N.W.A.'s lyrics, this shit would be cool, but if he threatened specific cops, well, I'm not as sure.

How often do you read or watch Fox News?

[angola]

What if I threatened myself? Could I press charges on someone like Orlando Bloom?

That'd be fun!

Hmm, you can't press charges against him because he played a badass elf - except for the middle movie where they tried to make him a comedian. If you pressed charges against middle movie Legolas, then it is OK.

Otherwise? I think you are shit out of luck.

[Army of GOD]

You have no idea how disappointed I was when I learned that he played Legolas.

Talk about your old-fashioned ball buster.

[Serbia]

Write a song, go to jail.
This isn't China.

I'm utterly shocked Fox News ran this story.

You'd think after N.W.A.'s lyrics, this shit would be cool, but if he threatened specific cops, well, I'm not as sure.

How often do you read or watch Fox News?

I like how you ignored this question.

I'm always amused how a segment of the population refuses to take as credible anything that comes out of Fox News, and when they are forced to, they then are 'shocked' that Fox News managed to run the story. It's the same way with people who never listen to Rush Limbaugh, then assume to know exactly what happens on his 3 hour show every day.

[Semigall]

Write a song, go to jail.
This isn't China.

That is nothing new.

There are even some music bands who encourage their fans to spread their music for free through p2p, as they're banned in many countries because their lyrics are not liked by the ruling regime (and no, those are not commie regimes in fact, but Germany and other 'liberal' countries).

[mpjh]

Hey, Quentin Tarantino can make a movie about killing innocent people and cops and get rich. Let's see the difference is --- well, Quentin is WHITE.

[sully800]

Hey, Quentin Tarantino can make a movie about killing innocent people and cops and get rich. Let's see the difference is --- well, Quentin is WHITE.

Can Quentin Tarantino make a movie where he threatens to kill specific people? Of course not.

A threat to kill a real person is much different than a song about murder, a movie about murder, a painting about murder, etc.

"If Officer ...................[name removed upon request by LPD] he care at all

Get my timing wrong

Im'ma be puttin' one in his dome......


I gotta Glock for a cop

Choppers for crime stoppers

And one in the cartridge

For the Lakeland Police Department"


If the lyrics were "I'm gonna kill me a cop" it would have been offensive, but he would not have gone to jail. Since the lyrics were "I'm gonna be puttin one in the dome of Office XXXX at the Lakeland Police Department" who was apparently a real person who just arrested his friend? Well, I think his no contest plea seems about right.

I don't know if 2 years is an appropriate punishment, but as others said this is only going to make him famous. But there are very good reasons why you can't sit around threatening to kill specific people (because then when that person is actually killed the world is outraged that no one did anything to stop it).

[mpjh]

What baloney -- don't know what movies you have watched but there a plenty about murder and mayhem of innocent people and specific officials. It is just a part of the teen white culture that is accepted.

[Rustovitch]

What baloney -- don't know what movies you have watched but there a plenty about murder and mayhem of innocent people and specific officials. It is just a part of the teen white culture that is accepted.

Name one.

What are these films that incite murder against specific people?

[mpjh]

Where you been? Pulp Fiction, No Country for Old Men, any of the Clint Eastwood middle work, any old western hostile to the Native American narrative, any pre-civil rights movie about young black and hispanic men, etc. etc.

Besides I am really sick of the cops poor mouthing themselves. They have one of the safest jobs in the country. In fact, they don't even make it into the top ten of jobs that are dangerous to the workers.

[Rustovitch]

Where you been? Pulp Fiction, No Country for Old Men, any of the Clint Eastwood middle work, any old western hostile to the Native American narrative, any pre-civil rights movie about young black and hispanic men, etc. etc.

Besides I am really sick of the cops poor mouthing themselves. They have one of the safest jobs in the country. In fact, they don't even make it into the top ten of jobs that are dangerous to the workers.

In what way does Pulp Fiction issue death threats to specific people? Never seen No Country for Old Men, the Clint Eastwood films generally involve fictional or long dead persons so can hardly count.

any old western hostile to the Native American narrative, any pre-civil rights movie about young black and hispanic men, etc. etc.

Utter nonsense. A film about past violence can not automatically be construed as a specific threat to someone living today.

Go on... name me one white Director, who is currently churning out death threats in their films?

As for your last line are you seriously claiming that "hey being a cop is relatively safe so its okay for black people to threaten to kill them, by name, because well hey well remember black issues folks!"

What the heck would you do if a black panther killed a black cop... explode due to white liberal guilt paradox?

[mpjh]

Tarantino movies depicted the killing of innocent people -- that is the point, a movie justification for the killing of innocent people. That is the theme of the ant-Native American westerns. That is the theme of black exploitation movies. That is the theme of most violence in movies. Nobody goes to jail for that. As for cops, they got nice cushy jobs, safe and sound, and crying to the public about how they protect us at their risk. Most cops I know are corrupt, winking to the drug trade, and never had a shot fired at them, ever, in their entire career. The job of policeman does not even make it into the top ten of jobs that are unsafe.

[Rustovitch]

Tarantino movies depicted the killing of innocent people -- that is the point,

No that is not the point that is completely irrelevant actually. You are claiming that white directors are making death threats against real specific people but are getting with it because they are white. Yes Tarantino does make makes films that depict the deaths of innocent people, no he does not make films where he says "I am going to go kill officer Smith who lives at such and such address.

a movie justification for the killing of innocent people.

Depiction is not justification.

That is the theme of the ant-Native American westerns. That is the theme of black exploitation movies. That is the theme of most violence in movies. Nobody goes to jail for that.

Because the two situations are utterly different and only an idiot of a political zealot would argue differently. Do you consider Braveheart to be a personal death threat against all English people. Of course you don't, you can not be that stupid, and if you don't you have no argument.

As for cops, they got nice cushy jobs, safe and sound, and crying to the public about how they protect us at their risk. Most cops I know are corrupt, winking to the drug trade, and never had a shot fired at them, ever, in their entire career. The job of policeman does not even make it into the top ten of jobs that are unsafe.

So because you know a few corrupt cops none of them deserve the basic rights you take for granted?

[sully800]

They have one of the safest jobs in the country. In fact, they don't even make it into the top ten of jobs that are dangerous to the workers.

One of the safest jobs in the country, because it is not even in the top ten most dangerous? Not sure I understand the logic of your statement, but I will certainly acknowledge that police officers don't hold the most dangerous jobs. That doesn't change the fact that you can't make death threats against them or any other individual.

As Rustovitch said, movies often depict murders, but I have yet to see one that threatens a murder. I think the song "Ohio", which talks about the Kent state shootings, is similar to the movies you describe - it talks about people that have been killed and the action of killing people. It does not threaten any individual.

If Valkyrie had been made when Hitler was still in power, that might be the equivalent of a movie threatening a person's life. No Tarantino film does that, despite ample depictions of violence.

[mpjh]

Don't see any cops posting here. My guess is they are laughing in their beer at the tears you guys are shedding for the poor dears. Death threats to innocent people are common place in this country, and cops deserve no more attention than anyone else.

[Woodruff]

Don't see any cops posting here. My guess is they are laughing in their beer at the tears you guys are shedding for the poor dears. Death threats to innocent people are common place in this country, and cops deserve no more attention than anyone else.

I wouldn't have taken you for an anarchist - I'm surprised at you.

[Rustovitch]

Don't see any cops posting here. My guess is they are laughing in their beer at the tears you guys are shedding for the poor dears. Death threats to innocent people are common place in this country, and cops deserve no more attention than anyone else.

Thank you for conceeding the argument.

[angola]

Write a song, go to jail.
This isn't China.

I'm utterly shocked Fox News ran this story.

You'd think after N.W.A.'s lyrics, this shit would be cool, but if he threatened specific cops, well, I'm not as sure.

How often do you read or watch Fox News?

I like how you ignored this question.

I'm always amused how a segment of the population refuses to take as credible anything that comes out of Fox News, and when they are forced to, they then are 'shocked' that Fox News managed to run the story. It's the same way with people who never listen to Rush Limbaugh, then assume to know exactly what happens on his 3 hour show every day.

Fox News is mostly useless. Most cable news channels are. They just pander to their constituents, much like politicians.

Free speech does mean you can say f*ck the Police, much like NWA did. I do not believe free speech means you can say "f*ck Officer Smith, I want to fucking kill him." I could be wrong, but that seems like a specific threat to me.

[Serbia]

And I'll bet you've never yelled at one of your buddies "I'm gonna KILL you!" followed by calling him some derogatory word.

People say things all the time, whether in jest or anger, seriously or otherwise. If we start arresting people for things they say, we lose our freedoms.

Not that we're not already heading that way with the strong-arm tactics some people are attempting to use in our health-care debate here in the US.

[Titanic]

And I'll bet you've never yelled at one of your buddies "I'm gonna KILL you!" followed by calling him some derogatory word.

People say things all the time, whether in jest or anger, seriously or otherwise. If we start arresting people for things they say, we lose our freedoms.

Not that we're not already heading that way with the strong-arm tactics some people are attempting to use in our health-care debate here in the US.

The context is completely different. There is no serious threat when its just an arguament between friends, but when a specific threat is put against someone then its personal and beyond free speech.

[a.sub]

And I'll bet you've never yelled at one of your buddies "I'm gonna KILL you!" followed by calling him some derogatory word.

its all about context, go yell the same thing at the same friend in an airport. you cant because an airport is significantly more serious. Similarly when you yell im going to kill you at an officer who does run the risk of being killed, it hold that same type of seriousness.

Don't see any cops posting here. My guess is they are laughing in their beer at the tears you guys are shedding for the poor dears. Death threats to innocent people are common place in this country, and cops deserve no more attention than anyone else.

1) brilliant counter argument, it perfectly supports your side completely.
2) translation "Oh yeah ... well ... your a doo doo face!" maturity ftw.
3) putting their lives on the line to protect innocent people? yeah what jerks, we should ignore them. I know cops dont go running off saving millions of women and children from the evil dictator with thousands of minions with chain guns. But the fact is they do put their lives on the line, and some do die for their cause. Dont bite the hand that feeds, else it wont be found when you are truly hungry.

[PLAYER57832]

Don't see any cops posting here. My guess is they are laughing in their beer at the tears you guys are shedding for the poor dears. Death threats to innocent people are common place in this country, and cops deserve no more attention than anyone else.

I am afraid you have gone off the deep end with this one.

When you threaten a cop in uniform, you are not just threatening the individual. You are threatening the institution of laws. Cops are certainly not perfect, but those nice, safe roads and sidewalks you enjoy would be a lot less safe if people were allowed to threaten police officers and then just say "gee.. only kidding"

[muy_thaiguy]

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Don't see any cops posting here. My guess is they are laughing in their beer at the tears you guys are shedding for the poor dears. Death threats to innocent people are common place in this country, and cops deserve no more attention than anyone else.

I am afraid you have gone off the deep end with this one.

When you threaten a cop in uniform, you are not just threatening the individual. You are threatening the institution of laws. Cops are certainly not perfect, but those nice, safe roads and sidewalks you enjoy would be a lot less safe if people were allowed to threaten police officers and then just say "gee.. only kidding"

It really doesn't make it easier to hear this load of crap from mpjh when I have relatives that are cops in my town. So mpjh can just go jump off a cliff for all I care now.