Balance Not Included Mafia 3/12 End Game: Balance. Town Wins

[strike wolf]

Cleaning the filth

Filthy Larry was never a nice guy. After being kicked out of the NRA for shooting the president of the organization in the foot, he determined to prove that he could properly handle a gun. Unfortunately, the cops wouldn't take him so he went to those who would. Now people were knocking at Larry's door. At first he tried to appease them and this seemed to work for a few but more and more found themselves irked by his answers.

"I am Batman" He replied.

"Oh yeah? Show us your Batarang"

But Filthy Larry couldn't show them a batarang. So he showed them his .44 instead. Firing 5 shots up in the air, he aimed it at a random individual.

"Now I know what your thinking, in all the excitement. Did I leave one bullet or none? To be honest, I don't remember either." Larry said. "So I guess the thing you should be questioning yourself about is...do you like your chances? Well do ya hoodlum?"

Larry pulled the trigger but no bullet came out. YOu see, he never really remembered to put the bullet back into the gun after shooting the president of the NRA in the foot. In that way, it was written that Filthy Larry was hung out to dry.

Virus-Filthy Larry-Mafia One-Shot Vig has been lynched.

It is now Night 1. You have 48 hours to send in your actions.

[Streaker]

Omg.

[Metsfanmax]

Omg.

Omg.

[pancakemix]

Omg.

Omg.

Omg.

[StorrZerg]

When can we expect day start?

[Metsfanmax]

When can we expect day start?

You can expect it 48 hours after night start, as indicated in strike wolf's post

[strike wolf]

I might consider ending it a bit early if actions come in early but right now, I have it scheduled for 11:59 pm est Sunday. Which is now today.

[strike wolf]

Actions have been sent in. Will post scene soon.

[strike wolf]

Cults and Balances

Jones Jim was walking around the neighborhood looking for someone to recruit. There were a lot of promising houses that night but in the end he went with the one that had blood dripping from under the door. Knocking loudly and then ringing the door bell, he thought he heard a scream for help come from within but he shrugged it off. After a minute of waiting the door opened with a man holding a dripping axe.

Smiling up at the man, "HI my name is Jones Jim. I am starting a cult. Would you be interested in joining?"

The man made no reply except to swing the axe at his head with a thud and beat him to a bloody pulp.

Hotshot-Jones Jim-Cult recruiter has been killed.

Meanwhile across town, a man had just exited a bar where he had successfully demonstrated the Flamenco dance while juggling flaming bowling pins. Satisfied with the distraction, he walked home. He looked around the scene, humming loudly to himself when he thought he heard someone following him. He turned but there was no one there. Continuing on his way, he thought he heard the noise again. It was then that he resolved to confront this man and do what he does best. Engaging his greatest distraction he turned but found no one there. He looked on for a moment but no one appeared. He shrugged his shoulders and began to turn back thinking that it was only a shy fan that he had distracted with his humming when a box of lit fireworks fell on him from above before going up in a light show that attracted the entire town to the scene.

Mtam-The Most Distracting Man in The World-Town role blocker has been killed

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline will be around this time next Sunday (or monday for those in Europe/Africa or farther east)

[StorrZerg]

i suspect some claims today....

[StorrZerg]

So something about cult leader. some games i've seen cult leader die if an attempt to recruit mafia happens. (kinda forgot about this as a possibility, i was assuming vig)
I refuse to believe the scene is an indicator of what happened in the night (but it might be)


If no one claims to have shot hotshot, then i guess its possible that happened. Another option is if someone is a paranoid Gun Owner and shot him. If you are PGO and that happened i think claiming that might be ok. (avoids townie roles going on you and dieing)

Another option i think is 2 mafia factions. Almost seems a bit much of 2 mafia factions + cult leader. But maybe not, maybe it cult leader and 2 factions of mafia of 2 each.

[Djfireside]

This shouldnt be any shocker but based on Storr's push and pull back on Virus and his adament approach to defend him at the end, I believe he played that all up and knew all along.

Vote StorrZerg

[StorrZerg]

This shouldnt be any shocker but based on Storr's push and pull back on Virus and his adament approach to defend him at the end, I believe he played that all up and knew all along.

Vote StorrZerg

So you honestly believe, i pushed virus for 5 or 6 days, "making up cases on him multiple times" then back out last minute to try and save him? *as mafia with virus*

@dj why do you think virus didn't vote on you near the end? I made it very clear his only option was to vote you, yet he failed to do so. He even stated he didnt see another option at the time. He even failed to mention you in his closing thoughts, when i even asked him to.

[pancakemix]

This shouldnt be any shocker but based on Storr's push and pull back on Virus and his adament approach to defend him at the end, I believe he played that all up and knew all along.

Vote StorrZerg

So you honestly believe, i pushed virus for 5 or 6 days, "making up cases on him multiple times" then back out last minute to try and save him? *as mafia with virus*

@dj why do you think virus didn't vote on you near the end? I made it very clear his only option was to vote you, yet he failed to do so. He even stated he didnt see another option at the time. He even failed to mention you in his closing thoughts, when i even asked him to.

Actually, yes. Right now you look like shit. Vote StorrZerg

On your second note: What's your point? He was scum who had already made a bad play. So he made two bad plays. Is this your piss-poor attempt at trying to shift the focus? Because it's making you look worse.

[StorrZerg]

You can calm down with your emotions. Secondly why don't you explain why You think I'm mafia.

Giving the explanation of "looks like shit" is well shit.

Why does virus failing to vote or mention dj have to be bad play?

New point pcm I think it is likely we have 2 mafia factions. Your thoughts?

[Streaker]

This shouldnt be any shocker but based on Storr's push and pull back on Virus and his adament approach to defend him at the end, I believe he played that all up and knew all along.

Vote StorrZerg

Actually, this is a shocker to me. Can you explain your 'adament approach to defend him at the end' part a bit more?
Storr was pushing the Virus case all week long, and now it turns out it was a very good lynch.

If you read the end of D1, you can see Storr being online all the time and waiting to hammer. He didn't have to as someone else did eventually. It just seems like a way to elaborate scheme what you are saying.

Anyway, I'm not lynching the player that got a mafia vig lynched on D1.

I will reread the day and look at the votes and defences of virus, little low on time now.
Also, I'll be out of town in 24 hours, for 3 days. Back on Thursday night (should be able to post once before leaving).

FOS DJfireside

[Metsfanmax]

This shouldnt be any shocker but based on Storr's push and pull back on Virus and his adament approach to defend him at the end, I believe he played that all up and knew all along.

Vote StorrZerg

Actually, this is a shocker to me. Can you explain your 'adament approach to defend him at the end' part a bit more?
Storr was pushing the Virus case all week long, and now it turns out it was a very good lynch.

If you read the end of D1, you can see Storr being online all the time and waiting to hammer. He didn't have to as someone else did eventually. It just seems like a way to elaborate scheme what you are saying.

Go re-read the posts. Storr switched his vote like a day before to Dj and tried to get all of us to do the same. His vote is on Dj at the end of the day, not virus. He even said all of us who were online and didn't respond to his new wagon would look scummy. It is certainly strange.

[Iron Butterfly]

So something about cult leader. some games i've seen cult leader die if an attempt to recruit mafia happens. (kinda forgot about this as a possibility, i was assuming vig)
I refuse to believe the scene is an indicator of what happened in the night (but it might be)


If no one claims to have shot hotshot, then i guess its possible that happened. Another option is if someone is a paranoid Gun Owner and shot him. If you are PGO and that happened i think claiming that might be ok. (avoids townie roles going on you and dieing)

Another option i think is 2 mafia factions. Almost seems a bit much of 2 mafia factions + cult leader. But maybe not, maybe it cult leader and 2 factions of mafia of 2 each.

Why would you leave out serial killer? Your an intelligent player. You know the roles. Second, yes the game may be imbalanced but then there is stupidly game broke imbalanced. Mafia had a one shot vig so in essence they got 2 night kills in a perfect world. I highly doubt they would get the chance to kill three players.

lets say you were a serial killer your biggest fear would be a PGO. Why do you say"you think it might be OK." Instead of it would be OK. If anything you say what you want and mean what you say. You are not the wishy washy type. So now you have an uncertainty in your belief and are looking for others to say, "Sure store claiming PGO would be a good thing"?

[Djfireside]

I will save you the research. Here are a few key points to the matter.

First Came the point where Storr unvoted and pulled away and started stating we need a new target.

Spoiler

@virus concerning mets. I don't think you should be town reading him cause he "defended you" so much. He was explicitly attacking "arguments" for being of poor quality. This is his style of game play, and something like that isn't hard to do as mafia. I'm not calling mets mafia, just stating that read isn't from a good perspective. In fact, the second push i presented against you, he didn't defend. I assume that was cause he thought the second push against you was reasonable and worth looking at.

Virus if you are town. Then i am personally leaning mafia on those who have stated explicitly to vote you because of the early day 1 stuff.

fp by jonty/

Unvote Virus

Here is my post that further incriminates and points out that I dont believe the claim and while everyone was pulling away I was heading back at it.

Spoiler

Virus: The statement I can see as a Joke, whether it was or not I can believe it. I thought it was from the start but as I always say you need to stir the pot somehow so I took it at that even though it went way out of control. Do I believe that they were role fishing, No. So if things stopped there no worries. However their defense was subpar and the laying low defense and playing off mTam and Storr just seemed weird. Not to mention the Claim does not sit well with me. Overall flavor of the Charecter would either be Joat or straight vig but sits weird on me overall.

Storr: You seemed to have been the focal point of all the finger pointing and someone has to do it but the instant anyone started to turn you pointed at someone else. You were playing a large game of misdirection and that caught me off since you were playing this large game of hot potato. I was inclined to not like your believe on having virus use the one shot but since others have made similiar points I cant fault you on it. I am a bit skeptical of you and mTam, just based on the overall movement and voting structures but cant point one way or another. PLus wont fault your vote either but yeah..

.....taken out for space.....

The problem with an outted vig is there is ALWAYS the block and bus especially when you are trying to tell them who to hit. I dont like that he is a one shot and that overall is what is bothering me the most based on the setup of the game and flavor of the char. If we run into the night, and he uses his kill there is a 27% success rate at this point which is less that optimum. Truthfully from all my ranting and thinking I have found I dont believe them.

Vote Virus90

Now Storr is watching the time and hoping the day to end and worried that it ended with Virus on that block and trying to get him involved.

Spoiler

i think he still needs 2 more ok. was worried day just ended.

srsly though virus perk up

Then he tries to push me to get away from virus since virus was now in trouble. Hell he even capitalized it for me

Everyone needs to hop on dj wagon now.
no one has counter claimed being a vig, likely that Virus is real. We only have roughly 6 hours.

Start moving your votes. Anyone still voting virus for day 1 early stuff is a donkey.
Hell i was the lead pusher on virus AND IM NOT PUSHING HIM ANY MORE.

Im going to keep logs of anyone i see viewing this forum, and failing to post.

And tried to push others to do it

Spoiler

pcm i see you.....

Delay delay and hoping for the day to end in possible NL

Spoiler

o nvm. Its L-1. Thought it was l-2.

since that is the case, i'll be hammering virus in about 2 hours or so. (if he fails to post/say anything)

fp IB

[Streaker]

Dj, I can see your point. That would be one hell of a play by Storr... Though I suppose not impossible.

The fact that he is changing his mind around so quick, but especially so late on the day is suspicious indeed. 'Forcing' everyone on a wagon last minute after having chased around another case the entire day is also suspicious.
Still, it was Storr's case that got a mafia lynched on D1.

We can also meta a bit on the kills: seeing how mafia would like to take out Storr if town, they would have targeted him. But he's alive. Though likely a doc would have saved him this night, so mafia would have failed (unless they would have anticipated him being protected). You can see where this is going lol.

Very well, for now i'll hop on the wagon to further the game while I try to come up with something else.

Vote Storr

[jonty125]

I have to agree Storr was incredibly scummy towards the D1, and the fact that we was protecting mafia cannot be ignored.

Also, I believe the cult recruiter in the scene either tried to target PGO/Mafia/SK, not vig.

vote StorrZerg

[StorrZerg]

For the of all that is reasonable back off the votes.I'm at l-1 be pretty silly to end the day like this

[Streaker]

Unvote Storr

i don't want a quick lynch (that was L-1), so now L-2.
Can we get Storr in here

[StorrZerg]

yes you should be thinking of questions to ask me. Things that you feel are specifically important. I put down a lot of content yesterday, so its very easy for cases to be built up by picking and choosing what people want to talk about, as well as nit picking the end of the day. I'm happy iron butterfly brought up that quote though since the wording was very specific to the meaning. just give me some time is all i ask

[StorrZerg]

Also 2 mafia factions based off the kill on virus. color= This being his death color mafia faction 2

And other mafia deaths in previous games being color=#BF0000 mafia faction 1

As for why i didn't mention sk, didn't consider it when i was looking at the flips. I suppose its still possible.

I think 2 mafia factions help explain why virus was lynched "fairly easy" I say this because while 7 votes did kill him, Tambo and myself had votes and would have switched back. That is 9, with only 3 other votes floating (discounting virus ) 1 or 2 might be virus partner who failed to vote, and the other 2 or 1 (respectively) likely town.

Another thing with the push against me, no one seems to bother to mention any of my reads. Its entirely off of one specific point on day 1, ignoring everything that lead up to it.