Logic dictates that there is a God!

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:03 pm

luns101 wrote:
firewarrior101 wrote:get a life all of u
Ummm...that's the whole point of Christianity?

Yeah, but then it gets sticky with the whole "Who's life should I get?" thing.

luns101 · Post by **luns101** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:15 pm

vtmarik wrote:
luns101 wrote:
firewarrior101 wrote:get a life all of u
Ummm...that's the whole point of Christianity?
Yeah, but then it gets sticky with the whole "Who's life should I get?" thing.

Of course I would submit to you that a new life in Christ is the answer...but you knew I would say that, right?

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:20 pm

luns101 wrote:
vtmarik wrote:
luns101 wrote:
firewarrior101 wrote:get a life all of u
Ummm...that's the whole point of Christianity?
Yeah, but then it gets sticky with the whole "Who's life should I get?" thing.
Of course I would submit to you that a new life in Christ is the answer...but you knew I would say that, right?

*shrugs* I think so.

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:37 pm

And then someone would say that luns is wrong and that a "new life" is something that a person can only achieve on his own and that Christianity is at best a catalyst that can happen to start a process that leads to a positive change in a persons lifestyle.

seen it all too many times already, the discussion, that is, not the change of lifestyle.

Kayla · Post by **Kayla** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:50 pm

I have an odd question. Do you think Adam and Eve were the first people on the earth? Who did their kids marry. It says they went away somewhere and married someone. Who was it?

Simonov · Post by **Simonov** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:49 pm

Kayla wrote:I have an odd question. Do you think Adam and Eve were the first people on the earth? Who did their kids marry. It says they went away somewhere and married someone. Who was it?

heard about evolution?
they were not only humans and probably not humans in what we consider them to be today.probably looked a lot like this:

The chimpanzee genome is 98.77% identical to the human genome.On average, a typical human protein-coding gene differs from its chimpanzee ortholog by only two amino acid substitutions; nearly one third of human genes have exactly the same protein translation as their chimpanzee orthologs

more: http://www.glycoforum.gr.jp/science/wor ... -A03E.html

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:57 pm

Incest in the Bible is normal. Which is strange considering how God creates each and every one of us in his image until two siblings have sex and then the third arm pops out of nowhere.

luns101 · Post by **luns101** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:37 pm

Simonov wrote:heard about evolution?

Yeah, but I didn't think it was really that great.

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:44 pm

luns101 wrote:
Simonov wrote:heard about evolution?
Yeah, but I didn't think it was really that great.

I loved that movie!

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:49 pm

Kayla wrote:I have an odd question. Do you think Adam and Eve were the first people on the earth? Who did their kids marry. It says they went away somewhere and married someone. Who was it?

Adam and Eve had children...the 3 boys mentioned: Cain, Abel and Seth and daughters that were not named in scripture. (here come the incest remarks)

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:57 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
Kayla wrote:I have an odd question. Do you think Adam and Eve were the first people on the earth? Who did their kids marry. It says they went away somewhere and married someone. Who was it?

Adam and Eve had children...the 3 boys mentioned: Cain, Abel and Seth and daughters that were not named in scripture. (here come the incest remarks)

Skipping the incest jokes, the human genome is more varied than to have come from only one set of parents.

Simonov · Post by **Simonov** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:21 am

luns101 wrote:Yeah, but I didn't think it was really that great.

no, what is then - intelligent design? don't see why evolution bothers christian so much cause it can be easily incorporated in your religion. when will come the time when you'll stop interpreting bible so literally? maybe you'll start claiming that earth is the centre of universe and unicorns exist? haven't heard of metaphores and allegories?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkhQLt1vbWU

Avron · Post by **Avron** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:58 am

Its like you just discovered religion's false-ism and are using the most generic fucking defensives ever.

On other note all contributed to this discussion in my own way by just posting an idea I had.

Lets say there is a God and a Satan, but because those are gay ass fucking terms where gonna call them Allpowerfull 1 and Allpowerfull 2, simplified to Ap1 and Ap2.

Now we view Ap1 as good and Ap2 as evil, well who the f*ck says(and all get to why this is fucking retarded) some fucking guy that wrote a book? Well so here we have these two entities, perhaps too powerful to destroy each other and there traveling across the galaxy settings in motion things like evolution on planets(creationism as to many flaws, why couldn't they have made us to evolve?). They do those are there version of battling. nether are intrinsically evil but depending on the creator(lets say more like clockmaker's setting things in motion) thats who you view as evil. So we where made by Ap1 and since Ap2 is his enemy we find him evil. Why the hell would it make sense, here we are with the Satan conflict, for the "evil one" to punish his servants? Wouldn't he be doing the opposite of what his enemy, "God", wants him to do? Why would they suffer eternal damnation, wouldn't it be paradise for them as well? and on other note why the hell would someone create a race to serve and worship them throughout their life yet create a amazing planet to live on but you can't do all this shit because its "evil". Sounds like a fucking narcissist nazi creator to me.

This is probably off topic but this entire forum is always off topic.

Kayla · Post by **Kayla** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:06 am

Well I don't know much of the Bible, so I probably don't have a right to act like I know what I'm talking about. Because I'm not sure. I'm saying, someone told me, that adam and eve's kids "went to another land, and married" so what, did they meet up with their sisters in another land? Another thing, if Adam and Eve's kids married eachother, wouldn't it result in humans looking complete different. Use this tiger as an example...

Shot at 2007-08-17

he is a result of siblings continuing to have sex, and somewhere down the line, made a tiger looking like this.

So are us humans, today, considered "deformed"

Iliad · Post by **Iliad** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:10 am

Wow that tiger is weird.

Stopper · Post by **Stopper** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:24 am

Eeeeuuurgh. That tiger looks well spasticated.

Iliad · Post by **Iliad** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:27 am

It looks like one of those Chinese lion sculptures. Or just retarded. [/quote]

Kayla · Post by **Kayla** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:36 am

I saw one in person a few years ago, it was so sad. I love tigers!

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:33 am

That tiger reminds me of someone I've seen before, no joke.

Or it could be just a pig I've seen.

salvadevinemasse · Post by **salvadevinemasse** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:50 pm

thegrimsleeper wrote:Jesus Christ, I can't believe I'm actually wasting my time responding to this drivel.

First off put aside any bias that you may have...weather it be religious or anti-religious.
Ok, but you first, you hypocrite. Take a good look at the answers you provided for your poll, and tell me with a straight face and fingers uncrossed that you're really checking your bias at the door, and not just trolling.
You should know that no sensible person could ever provide an answer to the question you ask and give you a one-word answer, so your poll is irrelevant.

trace back all life to its orgin...the very first living thing. Where did it come from?
Well, the popular theory is primordial ooze, you peasant. Maybe if you would've spent a little more time in science class and a little less time in Sunday school, you might have heard that.

There must be a God.
Some sort of consciousness linking us all together, perhaps. A man in the sky who sends you to a fiery pit when you don't do what he says (but he loves you)? I don't think so.

Science also dictates evolution could never have happened
Since this is 100% false, I can only assume that you're an immature troll who is only posting redundant Bible Belt philosophy for attention. Grow up, and when you do, open a fucking book or two and learn something. Oh... wait. I forgot. The Bible tells you everything you need to know: If you can't explain it, it's a mystery.

That's crap. This thread is crap. You are the embodiment of nearly everything that I hate most about this country.

I adore your words here.. But we've been saying that shit for how long? sadly Jay will never fully be "saved" He'll always be sad and "faithful" to a in my opinion possibly not there god...If god really loved us then why wouldnt he help the hungry? Theres no need to let children that dont deserve it starve

salvadevinemasse · Post by **salvadevinemasse** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 5:05 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
thegrimsleeper wrote:Jesus Christ, I can't believe I'm actually wasting my time responding to this drivel.

First off put aside any bias that you may have...weather it be religious or anti-religious.
Ok, but you first, you hypocrite. Take a good look at the answers you provided for your poll, and tell me with a straight face and fingers uncrossed that you're really checking your bias at the door, and not just trolling.
You should know that no sensible person could ever provide an answer to the question you ask and give you a one-word answer, so your poll is irrelevant.

trace back all life to its orgin...the very first living thing. Where did it come from?
Well, the popular theory is primordial ooze, you peasant. Maybe if you would've spent a little more time in science class and a little less time in Sunday school, you might have heard that.

There must be a God.
Some sort of consciousness linking us all together, perhaps. A man in the sky who sends you to a fiery pit when you don't do what he says (but he loves you)? I don't think so.

Science also dictates evolution could never have happened
Since this is 100% false, I can only assume that you're an immature troll who is only posting redundant Bible Belt philosophy for attention. Grow up, and when you do, open a fucking book or two and learn something. Oh... wait. I forgot. The Bible tells you everything you need to know: If you can't explain it, it's a mystery.

That's crap. This thread is crap. You are the embodiment of nearly everything that I hate most about this country.

Obviosly you DIDN'T put aside your bias. The poll has NOTHING to do with the logic of life's orgin. Keep spewing insults there..I've been called worse by better.

primordial ooze???? What is this star trek?

You can't refute a single thing in the original post! You are hell bent on the non-existence of God. Maybe if you simply pondered the orgin of life you'd see that SCIENCE does not have the answer!

Evolution my friend is an imposibility.... Science teaches the ability to SPEAK is a LEARNED behavior! Who then taught the apes to speak? and not just 1 language but hundreds of them????

Furthermore if evolution is always happening WHY do we not see it all around us??? Perhaps a bird with gills or a lizard with feathers?? Even a single fossil of a gekko growing a wing bone! EVOLUTION IS A LIE.... much like the drivel you posted.

Why is it us "non Christian" people need saving from you "holy art thou Christian" people? Do you know how many wars have killed people over "god?" And we dont even know if there is one!!!!!!

I was at a Ground breaking for work Jay, my boss is catholic and decided to have his land blessed. Which was great I thought.

do you know what the man said while he was praying? "May people know its okay to kill birds to bless their home like they did in the old days, but not their children"

and last one was "May evil never cross onto this ground and every witch burn in hell.We god we dont want evil people on this land." Which hurt because I help heal others EVERY DAY and I am wiccan by BLOOD! I took major offense to that. Why do some love harming others while they pray? I don't harm anyone, I dont do spells on people or mess with free will. I didn't believe in messing with people's emotions why should my feelings be hurt because I happened to be born a wiccan? One other thing.. Why is it We must be saved when your the ones doing all the killing/judging/ and stealing? Most the people I hear of in jail either is a christian or all a sudden has found god..Why is that? We should do a survey in the jails to find out how many are christian and were before being arrested I'm sure you'd hate those numbers right?

2dimes · Post by **2dimes** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:41 pm

Salva I have allways liked you in an imaginary internet friend way.

I am wondering how you are wiccan by BLOOD? Is it like judaism now?

People can't be saved by " "holy art thou Christian" people" and anyone hoping to make it to heaven because they were blessed by or gave money to someone like that might be in for a suprise that won't be a particularly nice one.

People need the messiah to do that and only he will do.

You might be much closer to that then most of the " "holy art thou Christian" people". Modern day pharisees that have a clean cup on the outside. I'll invite you to my little public thingy and insult you. Hardly treating your neighbor as you would want to be treated yourself.

To that kind of thing Jesus said. Rather than going to heaven he recieved his full reward right there. Basically it's the smug satisfaction of being a jerk, yay him.

salvadevinemasse · Post by **salvadevinemasse** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:10 pm

Simonov wrote:
luns101 wrote:Yeah, but I didn't think it was really that great.
no, what is then - intelligent design? don't see why evolution bothers christian so much cause it can be easily incorporated in your religion. when will come the time when you'll stop interpreting bible so literally? maybe you'll start claiming that earth is the centre of universe and unicorns exist? haven't heard of metaphores and allegories?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkhQLt1vbWU

i love the comic!

salvadevinemasse · Post by **salvadevinemasse** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:13 pm

2dimes wrote:Salva I have allways liked you in an imaginary internet friend way.

I am wondering how you are wiccan by BLOOD? Is it like judaism now?

People can't be saved by " "holy art thou Christian" people" and anyone hoping to make it to heaven because they were blessed by or gave money to someone like that might be in for a suprise that won't be a particularly nice one.

People need the messiah to do that and only he will do.

You might be much closer to that then most of the " "holy art thou Christian" people". Modern day pharisees that have a clean cup on the outside. I'll invite you to my little public thingy and insult you. Hardly treating your neighbor as you would want to be treated yourself.

To that kind of thing Jesus said. Rather than going to heaven he recieved his full reward right there. Basically it's the smug satisfaction of being a jerk, yay him.

Actually its more like my great grand mother came from wales/Ireland (She lived in both for a while) and she told my mom before she died that almost all the family from both her parents sides were witches only one who refused to be one was my grandmother...so I was raised on the wiccan culture..

Thank you for the compliment. I like you too. *hugs*

OnlyAmbrose · Post by **OnlyAmbrose** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:12 pm

Why is it us "non Christian" people need saving from you "holy art thou Christian" people? Do you know how many wars have killed people over "god?" And we dont even know if there is one!!!!!!

No need to take this so personally. It's just a debate topic.

And are you really going to judge an entire religion based on the actions of this nutjob? In praying for witches to go to Hell, he's failing to love his enemy, and to judge not. He is not a good example of the Christian ideal.

Why is it We must be saved when your the ones doing all the killing/judging/ and stealing?

I don't recall ever killing anyone. Can't think of the last time I stole something. And I do my best to keep my judgments to myself.

And what do you mean "we're the ones doing all the yadayada"? It's ridiculous to assume that all or even most of the killing and stealing in the world is done by Christians. Judging... well that's probably another story. It's a sin most of us, even you, perhaps, are guilty of.

Let's be careful not to let emotion cloud our reason in a thread specifically dedicated to "logic".

Logic dictates that there is a God!

Does God exist?