Two Sides Mafia: Side B, EndGame, It Spreads

[safariguy5]

Just because watcher is a difficult fakeclaim doesn't mean that someone wouldn't try to use it. Yes, it does take quite a lot of risk, but it's possible that the person faking the claim only needs to buy a day or two to get night actions in.

[drunkmonkey]

A person in a lab coat walks these city streets with wonder, how could this place have turned out so differently?
No the figure had to stay focused, everyone here needed to die. He enters the elevator and presses the roof button; he needs a better view of his targets.

Time to speculate.

Red highlight makes me think there is a SK here.

Would like to see both PCM and Soundman claim their "A" night actions.

I'm guessing PCM A, as the busdriver, got the weird power of swapping a player from side A with a player from side B. That means he swapped himself in A with someone in B and this someone in B was the actual NK target. Considering this mad scientist seem to be a SK, whoever PCM claims to have swapped is cleared from being the SK (but not cleared from being mafia).

I'm also guessing Soundman A saved someone in town A due to the flavour. It would be nice to know who mafia/vig/SK tried to kill over there.

Time to speculate.

This is the first post after the night scene. Rodion picked out a sentence fragment that could have easily been overlooked to put us on an SK hunt. WIFOM, but that doesn't seem like a good tactic for the SK.

[shieldgenerator7]

Oh, so that's why people think there's an SK. ok. THat scene confused me so much, but anyway, that's just more evidence to support Rodion's case, even if it is WIFOM.

[Rodion]

Oh, so that's why people think there's an SK. ok. THat scene confused me so much, but anyway, that's just more evidence to support Rodion's case, even if it is WIFOM.

Make it clear, please.

Rodion's case that Rodion is a SK? Is that it?

[shieldgenerator7]

Oh, so that's why people think there's an SK. ok. THat scene confused me so much, but anyway, that's just more evidence to support Rodion's case, even if it is WIFOM.

Make it clear, please.

Rodion's case that Rodion is a SK? Is that it?

oh, haha, I see how that can be confusing. I meant that it supports Rodion's claim of being a watcher or town (or at least not being third-party sk)

[Victor Sullivan]

Oh, so that's why people think there's an SK. ok. THat scene confused me so much, but anyway, that's just more evidence to support Rodion's case, even if it is WIFOM.

No, it's because it's WIFOM that you can't use it. Rodion could just as easily pointed that out as the SK so no one would suspect him, as you have done.

-Sully

[Rodion]

See how nobody counterclaimed watcher?
See how nobody counterclaimed "having visited Edocsil"?
Ever seen a SK with watcher powers?

Pretty ridiculous to see you giving mafia a free day by pursuing town that you think is a serial killer that has already proven his non-killing powers.

[safariguy5]

See how nobody counterclaimed watcher?
See how nobody counterclaimed "having visited Edocsil"?
Ever seen a SK with watcher powers?

Pretty ridiculous to see you giving mafia a free day by pursuing town that you think is a serial killer that has already proven his non-killing powers.

We may not have a watcher.
It may be that nobody actually visited edoc as it's possible not everyone has a night action.
Still doesn't mean you could have faked the watcher claim.

The main thing here is that Sully claimed he got a third party investigation. And you said day 1 that you were T/T. Which means that you probably have something to hide.

Also, need I bring up NBC as evidence to say that I trust your claims less than I would other people, even IF you are town?

[shieldgenerator7]

The fact that no one has counterclaimed Rodion supports his claim.

But come to think of it, milkshake is a third-party tracker, so maybe / made the watcher third-party as well.

If you can without giving away your side A role, what's the connection between your Side B watcher role and your Side A role?

[shieldgenerator7]

I think I can trust Rodion's idea.

This is NG1's last post in this thread, on March 27. That's 6 days ago.

Here's the rest of the activity list:

SG7 - 19
jonty - 19
Rodion - 19
saf - 19
VS - 19
DM - 19
edoc - 19
soundman - 18
clever - 18
milkshake - 17
pcm - 16
NG1 - 14

Either NG1 is having a hard time keeping up or is scummarining. VOTE NG1 until he posts in here again

Right now I'm more inclined to believe Rodion, but I don't want to lynch VS just yet as his role could be useful to town (tho I do still have my reservations about him) and I'm thinking we have a busdrive or something interrupting VS' results rather than either of them lying (tho it is possible I'm wrong)

-SG7 ( )

[soundman]

I'm questioning VS's sanity. Town Lunatic doesn't sound like a sane role to me. I can believe the Skitzo role but not a sane cop role.

[drunkmonkey]

I still can't believe we have four people ready to lynch a possible investigative role because a "skitzo lunatic" said he's a 3rd party.

[Rodion]

It may be that nobody actually visited edoc as it's possible not everyone has a night action.
Still doesn't mean you could have faked the watcher claim.

The main thing here is that Sully claimed he got a third party investigation. And you said day 1 that you were T/T. Which means that you probably have something to hide.

Also, need I bring up NBC as evidence to say that I trust your claims less than I would other people, even IF you are town?

Having said I was T/T D1 is irrelevant. The relevant facts are VS claiming a 3rd-party result and me claiming town here D2. The relevant facts show something is weird, not the fact that I said something D1.

And, yes, nobody actually visited Edocsil. Thank you for agreeing with something. But if you are really concerned that I faked a lucky watcher report, you could simply not lynch me and see my N2 report tomorrow. N3 I can even target Shield to test his commuter claim.

You have a fair point in trusting my claims less after NBC Mafia, when I was VT and claimed bomb to survive because I felt town would not win without me there to enlighten them.
The fair point you didn't mention is that I was probably right when I said town would not win if I was not there, as the path to take became much more clear after I replaced back into the game (that town needed a good dose of night action directing to make sure we could bust Epitaph, who would otherwise be in a pretty good position to win after Betiko got killed).

If you can without giving away your side A role, what's the connection between your Side B watcher role and your Side A role?

Flavour-wise and loosely paraphrasing to avoid modkills, both characters are narrow-minded and treat people like animals. B side "watches" them to make sure they won't do shit, while A side "insert verb here" to make sure they won't do shit. It's funny because the player behind the roles sees several human beings as animals.

There are also mechanic consequences to my power in one side if I die on the other.

I still can't believe we have four people ready to lynch a possible investigative role because a "skitzo lunatic" said he's a 3rd party.

To be quite honest, 3 of them are VS, Jonty and Milkshake, so it's not like it is a non-intelectually challenged wagon.

[new guy1]

Yeah, I admit Ive been innactive, and truth be told I would probably ask for a replacement if I didnt think the replacement would be confused and lose interest. I have been working on something and have been having long days and long nights, but Ive been keeping up with reading and such, so for now I will stay in. However, I believe if Sully got a 3rd party result then he was either busdriven or Rodion is lieing, as I fully believe Sully's claim.

[drunkmonkey]

Yeah, I admit Ive been innactive, and truth be told I would probably ask for a replacement if I didnt think the replacement would be confused and lose interest. I have been working on something and have been having long days and long nights, but Ive been keeping up with reading and such, so for now I will stay in. However, I believe if Sully got a 3rd party result then he was either busdriven or Rodion is lieing, as I fully believe Sully's claim.

vote newguy1

Deadline is tomorrow, I don't want to see Rodion lynched, and you showed up in about 30 minutes of your vote after 6 days of inactivity only to make this useless post.

[crazymilkshake5]

hey now. I just posted today.... as in right now, lol for now, until things unfold, i unvote

fastposted

[crazymilkshake5]

hey now. I just posted today.... as in right now, lol for now, until things unfold, i unvote

fastposted

EBYOP

[new guy1]

Well should I at least give a claim if Im on the chopping block for RL stuff going on?

[shieldgenerator7]

MOd, can we have a vote count?

And I would unvote, but I don't know the vote count and don't want to lynch Rodion

@NG1, it depends on when deadline is and how quickly votes and unvotes can be made (sorry i don't have an answer)

-SG7 ( )

[new guy1]

Well thats great. Regaurdless, I have one vote on me and I dont know how many votes are on rodion. If you dont want to lynch either of us once I claim then we can make a quick BW on a no lynch again, IF we are down on time and you believe my claim.

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Vote Count:

Rodion (3 Votes) - safariguy5, jonty125, Victor Sullivan
new guy1 (2 Votes) - shieldgenerator7, drunkmonkey

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline tomorrow!

[new guy1]

/ I believe SG7 corrected his vote with an unvote. Regaurding all players, since we have till tomorrow I will keep my role to myself currently.

[Rodion]

Well thats great. Regaurdless, I have one vote on me and I dont know how many votes are on rodion. If you dont want to lynch either of us once I claim then we can make a quick BW on a no lynch again, IF we are down on time and you believe my claim.

If we are going to no lynch, we should lynch Milkshake instead to prove his claim of unkillable. If he is telling the truth, it's the same as no lynching, but if he's not we killed a liar.

[new guy1]

Well thats great. Regaurdless, I have one vote on me and I dont know how many votes are on rodion. If you dont want to lynch either of us once I claim then we can make a quick BW on a no lynch again, IF we are down on time and you believe my claim.

If we are going to no lynch, we should lynch Milkshake instead to prove his claim of unkillable. If he is telling the truth, it's the same as no lynching, but if he's not we killed a liar.

I had completely forgot about that, thanks for reminding me. Thats a good idea if we dont have anybody.

[shieldgenerator7]

Well, I just voted NG1 for inactivty and he showed up, then I got alarmed that Rodion might be lynched, so I kept my vote. Other than preventing Rodion's lynch, I have no other reason to keep my vote on NG1. I do agree that we should test milkshake's claim if we don't lynch anyone else. The case of VS vs. Rodion looks like it might be better solved after another night of actions so I'm willing to hold off for now and UNVOTE VOTE MILKSHAKE to test his claim.

and NG1 I did not unvote you... (that I recall )

-SG7 ( )