Mad Men Mafia - Day 2 (6/9) Town Wins!

[Yomiel]

Are you asking for the Vote Count? It was posted a little while ago...

[samgrossy]

Remember that the roles were never changed. Only replacements were made, so any info you can glean from the first 18 pages or so is still valid.

[ShaggyDan]

Vote Count Belisle to clear things up.

[Yomiel]

I'm so confused. I don't get how that clears things up. Count explained the inactivity, which was never that weird in the first place, given the circumstances.

And Sam, you have to be more specific. I was never voted for a good reason, and me being defensive makes sense when you've got people trying to kill you and are only one vote away from that happening.

[jonty125]

Hmm, Yomiel was my lead on my read of the thread but I am happy with his answers

Count Beslie, is at L-2, should we push him to claim, because it seems to be a weak case of inactivity.

FOS Shaggy for bandwaggoning and I find it ironic that he's voting someone for inactivity.

FASTPOSTED by Yomiel.

[Campin_Killer]

Remember that the roles were never changed. Only replacements were made, so any info you can glean from the first 18 pages or so is still valid.

Don't edit. I know you're new, but a general rule is to NEVER edit your posts

[jonty125]

Remember that the roles were never changed. Only replacements were made, so any info you can glean from the first 18 pages or so is still valid.

Don't edit. I know you're new, but a general rule is to NEVER edit your posts

I think that needs changing to:

Don't edit. I know you're new, but a general A GOLDEN RULE THAT SHOULD NEVER BE BROKEN is to NEVER edit your posts

[Yomiel]

I don't think Count should be pushed to claim. There's really no case against him at all. The game had only just resumed, and before the hiatus, things were kind of crazy.

[ShaggyDan]

@Jonty: I thought I made it clear I knew I was being hypocritical :p. Figured it was better throwing a vote out rather than doing nothing with it being day one and all.

So just to make sure I'm on the right page here: we have two mislynches before we're at lylo, barring some town protection, right? Since it ia unlikely that a protector will actually be able to pick right, plus with it being chancey that there is even pne around, we should look to never no-lynch. If we no lynch we only have one mis lynch till mylo.

Sorry if it seemed basic to everyone, just wantes to make sure my heads at the right apot.

[thechuck51]

Remember that the roles were never changed. Only replacements were made, so any info you can glean from the first 18 pages or so is still valid.

Don't edit. I know you're new, but a general rule is to NEVER edit your posts

I think that needs changing to:

Don't edit. I know you're new, but a general A GOLDEN RULE THAT SHOULD NEVER BE BROKEN is to NEVER edit your posts

I will take the blame for this. As I said before samgrossy is new to mafia and filled in as a favor to me. It is something I should have made sure he was aware of. I don;t see any harm caused at this point of the game so things will continue as usual.

[Yomiel]

I've never been big on not lynching anyone. But the problem is WHO to lynch.

Right now, I think Campin is the only one with a legit case against him.

[ShaggyDan]

Remember that the roles were never changed. Only replacements were made, so any info you can glean from the first 18 pages or so is still valid.

The problem is the few quotes I woukd have used are very minor things that coukd easily be explained away by a players personal play style... Like most things on day one except for a major slip.

The only point I think I could use is Yom's strong opposition to claiming, which could be a slip of a scum not wanting to fake claim, but more likely is a personal play style choice. The defenciveness definitely rubs me as a scum tell, but my meta on Yom os telling me its not a factor either way.

Fastposted; I'll re read looking at campin later today or tomorrow.

[Yomiel]

See NCIS Mafia. Wouldn't claim there on Day 1 either, and I turned out to be Town. I do not like claiming, especially so early in the game and with no real case against me. And I'm hardly afraid of fake-claiming.

[jonty125]

See NCIS Mafia. Wouldn't claim there on Day 1 either, and I turned out to be Town. I do not like claiming, especially so early in the game and with no real case against me. And I'm hardly afraid of fake-claiming.

Yes, but I feel you were wrong to let us lynch you in NCIS (you were cop)

@Jonty: I thought I made it clear I knew I was being hypocritical :p.

I do agree you made it clear, but that isn't an excuse i.e. I'm deliberately bandwaggoning, but who cares because I tell people when I do it.

[Yomiel]

I wasn't a Cop.: P And what "let". I told you guys not to. Claiming would have been stupid, as I said, but I can't really go into details with the game still going on.

[jonty125]

I wasn't a Cop.: P And what "let". I told you guys not to. Claiming would have been stupid, as I said, but I can't really go into details with the game still going on.

My bad. Began with a "c"

[Campin_Killer]

I've never been big on not lynching anyone. But the problem is WHO to lynch.

Right now, I think Campin is the only one with a legit case against him.

You have no valid case against me. Your "case" is calling me a bully and a pig for voting you. I will quote DiM's case against you, because it is the reason that we were voting you.

whenever somebody votes for yomiel (even if it's just day 1) he starts getting defensive claiming people are making things personal and they're out to get him/her. next thing you know ridiculous accusations about stalking raping and killing start flying around.
then once enough people are pissed off by his attitude and start voting him he doesn't even bother claiming or putting up a defence (even if he really is town). he just keeps saying people are out to get him and that everybody is scum.
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Third, it is other people who keep bringing up past games, like you just did.

it's called meta.

/, I posted my suspects and my reasons again, quite clearly.

you did now, did you? quite clearly you say?
let's analyse a bit.

I think that Vodean and Dim are Mafia. Vodean has just struck me as suspicious from the beginning, and you saw it too, since you also voted for him.

so vodean was suspicious right from the start, right?

and yet your first vote was on campin.

then once everywhere voted for you, you forgot all about campin and voted for everywhere.
then once vodean had 2 joke votes and i made a joke post about how he's mafia in 50% of his games you immediately switched your vote to him and asked me to vote for him too and in your very next post you say vodean is at L-1 so somebody should whack him.
not even the slightest of intentions to let him claim or put up a defence. you simply wanted a quick kill at all costs.

for this kind of attitude i considered you for voting. when campin and vodean started putting pressure on you, you started calling both of them instigators, and accused them of making things personal. and it wasn't even the first time. you started accusing people of being instigators as early as page 3. then after vodean saw you're not being cooperative he voted for you and asked for a defence. obviously you offered no defence, blamed people of not playing properly and you said you have no respect for them.

then there are at least 10-15 posts where you refuse to claim or offer any defence and you keep complaining of being bullied.

fastposted 3 times.
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yomiel, you are being increasingly absurd. please take /'s advice and do this:

6. if you are voted, calmly logically argue your counterpoint to their suspicion, or claim so as not to hold up the game.


youmiel, / clearly explained you the pros and cons of claiming and she makes perfect sense. you need to say something in your defence to prevent a lynch. if you're town this is the only way to help the town. "going with your hunch" or with "what you believe" makes no logical sense to any of us and does not constitute proper defence.

anyway i have presented my case in a very objective and clear manner. presented plenty of proof and relevant info and i think that's all i can do.
if yomiel wants to continue this circus then i shall not participate any more because i feel this image perfectly describes what's going on here.

my vote on yomiel stays until i see him actually doing something logical to try and stay in the game.

if he's scum, then lynching him it great for us.
if he's town, then he's been given plenty of chances to defend and he's been given enough logical reasoning as to why he should try and avoid the lynch and yet he fails to listen to that advice.
if he's the jester, then he wins and that's that end of story.

[Yomiel]

You might want to reread what the host said when he started the game up again. And you've just again proven why I'm right to be suspicious of you, since you were already corrected just before things resumed, yet you're still claiming things that aren't true.

[Campin_Killer]

Really, want to check those links yourself? It is a valid fucking case.

[Yomiel]

No, it isn't. And I know a lie when I see it.

[ShaggyDan]

@Jonty: I thought I made it clear I knew I was being hypocritical :p.

I do agree you made it clear, but that isn't an excuse i.e. I'm deliberately bandwaggoning, but who cares because I tell people when I do it.

It was more a matter of better to do this than sit by and do nothing. I didn't have anything to put forward and was adding pressure to a small yet valid point. If I have nothing to add and agree with something why shouldn't I help add pressure?

[Yomiel]

Um, I never said that...

I said you should vote for Campin instead of Count, because there's no reason to vote for count.

[Campin_Killer]

No, it isn't. And I know a lie when I see it.

So everything you posted in those links are fake? Not you?

Everyone please get rid of fucking Yomiel, if you'd oblige

[Campin_Killer]

Um, I never said that...

I said you should vote for Campin instead of Count, because there's no reason to vote for count.

Off of what fucking reason?

[ShaggyDan]

Sorry my quotes messed up, that was meant to be jonty. He also quotes you in the post I quoted somewhere on my smart phone ot mixed up. Much apologird.

After reading through dims case whilst looking at the quotes it makes sense. Although it may just be a playstyle I consider the bouncong around with votes and accusations combined with a lack of defence (despite the fact Yom thought it wasn't needed others were pushing for it) to be scummy.

The problem is with Yom's meta it is an easy case for scum to push on... Plus the stance on not claiming may just lead to the same situation as before. That said, it is the best lead we have right now and I have nothing else to bring to the table. The vote I had before was just a standard pressure an inactive to post vote. So:

unvote and vote yomiel.

Can you outline the case on Campin yom?