Random Historical Mafia(The Gunpowder Plot); Town Win!

[gregwolf121]

with 11 players alive lynch is 6 votes, madmitch you have 4 votes on you that puts you at L2, i think its time for you to claim.

[dakky21]

with 11 players alive lynch is 6 votes, madmitch you have 4 votes on you that puts you at L2, i think its time for you to claim.

You two make me wonder who is skimming posts more.
12 people are alive and it still requires 7 votes.
My vote was on you, now I'm pushing mitch, but you sound like you want it back.

[HotShot53]

with 11 players alive lynch is 6 votes, madmitch you have 4 votes on you that puts you at L2, i think its time for you to claim.

You two make me wonder who is skimming posts more.
12 people are alive and it still requires 7 votes.
My vote was on you, now I'm pushing mitch, but you sound like you want it back.

The game started with 12, PT is dead = 11 left and 6 votes is a lynch. So it looks like you're the one doing the skimming here lol.

[Marashu]

you seem to be saying you was expecting it to be dakky... just like last round im still ticking to my gut vote wingcommander

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Are you saying that Wing expected the night kill to be dakky? Or that Wing expected the doctor to target dakky? Or something else entirely?

So is Dakky still lynchproof? Or was it one-shot?

dakky did you target someone in the night?

I feel like these are valid questions that should be answered.

[quote="TimWoodbury"my theory is that the characters are alignment related. Henry Percy, 9th Duke of Northumberland was parliament so he can call him good, Bu's character King James can also call good so im thinking im onto something with th characters being allignment related[/quote]
And where do fake claims fit in to this theory?

(Unofficial) Vote Count
Wing - Tim
Ragian - BuJaber, mitch (L-4)
mitch - IB, HotShot, wing, dakky (L-2)

Not voting: greg, marashu, mets, ragian

For the record, I'm on board with lynching mitch. I don't want to lynch him unclaimed, though, and I also don't want to rush the day to an end, since it's been less than 48 hours since day start. Consider my vote reserved, though.

@BuJaber - Not that I have a strong read on Ragian, but I feel like you're tunneling right now. There must be more than just one mafia, and there have been quite a few player interactions and cases.
@greg - you say you've been taking notes, but you haven't really offered much in the way of reads. Care to share with the class? Cuz right now, I'm inclined to agree with Ragian about you mainly offering lots of summary with essentially no content.

Am I the only one surprised with how there's been no word from mets since day start?

fp'd by greg, dakky, hotshot

[madmitch]

I was only town until PT died, I am Sir Francis Bacon, back up doc.

[Marashu]

I was only town until PT died, I am Sir Francis Bacon, back up doc.

Does this mean you are not currently town? @_@

[gregwolf121]

@dakky basically what hotshot said
@madmitch, did you visit anyone last night. yes i know you are claiming back up doc but i would like you to answer the question anyways.
@marashu, yes i have been taking notes. as for reads its still early in the game so i don't have any that i would consider solid. i do think madmitch is scum though, as IB said he has been following alot this game, their were a lot of other smaller reasons that just added up to me suspecting him. my main reason though i will keep to myself for now, sharing it would require me to claim and i rather keep my role hidden for now.
right now i think dakky and Bu are town, not 100% sure more around 60-70% as for the other players haven't formed an opinion yet just some gut feelings but with no good evidence that doesn't count for much

fastposted by marashu

[Iron Butterfly]

Unvote Mitch

While I am removing my vote on mitch It also raises the question of fake claims. Anyone with half a brain can read the Wikpedia and see there are a countless number of historical figures who were active during this time period. They can pretty much claim anyone and hope they don't choose someone who has that name. I think the odds would be in mafias favor or perhaps they were supplied.

[Iron Butterfly]

@dakky basically what hotshot said
@madmitch, did you visit anyone last night. yes i know you are claiming back up doc but i would like you to answer the question anyways.
@marashu, yes i have been taking notes. as for reads its still early in the game so i don't have any that i would consider solid. i do think madmitch is scum though, as IB said he has been following alot this game, their were a lot of other smaller reasons that just added up to me suspecting him. my main reason though i will keep to myself for now, sharing it would require me to claim and i rather keep my role hidden for now.
right now i think dakky and Bu are town, not 100% sure more around 60-70% as for the other players haven't formed an opinion yet just some gut feelings but with no good evidence that doesn't count for much

fastposted by marashu

Just read this after I posted my unvote

vote Mitch

gregwolf has info it seems. Until proven otherwise I will go with him.

[TimWoodbury]

you seem to be saying you was expecting it to be dakky... just like last round im still ticking to my gut vote wingcommander

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Are you saying that Wing expected the night kill to be dakky? Or that Wing expected the doctor to target dakky? Or something else entirely?

im saying it sounds like he was supprised that dakky wasnt the one to be killed alsmot like it was supposed to of been dakky but something happened.

[quote="TimWoodbury"my theory is that the characters are alignment related. Henry Percy, 9th Duke of Northumberland was parliament so he can call him good, Bu's character King James can also call good so im thinking im onto something with th characters being allignment related[/quote]
And where do fake claims fit in to this theory?


ive not yet been in a game where fake claims was given so cant attest to how that would fit it but i going to guess that the fake claims very well possably could mess it up

@Mitch you was only town till he died meaning you was vanillia till he died or you was town till he died and your no longer town??

FPD by greg and IB

jsut took quick google of who he claims and it seems he is almsot related to Bu's charater King James.

@Wing since greg is asking mitch if he did anything alst night may i ask if you did anything and if so to who did you do it to(dont need to say what you did just if you did and who)

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Henry percy aka brother of thomas percy was involved in the guy fawkes stkry.

Francis Bacon was not.

Backup is Mitchs favourite fake claim.

[dakky21]

The game started with 12, PT is dead = 11 left and 6 votes is a lynch. So it looks like you're the one doing the skimming here lol.

I messed up with the count. Was whole time thinking the game started with 13 players. Mea culpa.

I was only town until PT died, I am Sir Francis Bacon, back up doc.

IIRC from the edited 1st post, William at one point said there will be no vanilla roles so making you a doc after original doc died is pretty much bullshit. That would mean you have two roles now if there were no vanilla roles. I don't buy it, sorry.

[dakky21]

So is Dakky still lynchproof? Or was it one-shot?

dakky did you target someone in the night?

I feel like these are valid questions that should be answered.

1. Yes, I'm lynchproof forever
2. Won't answer that question as that will reveal if I have powers or I'm plain lynchproof... let mafia think who will they kill next.

[BuJaber]

IIRC from the edited 1st post, William at one point said there will be no vanilla roles so making you a doc after original doc died is pretty much bullshit. That would mean you have two roles now if there were no vanilla roles. I don't buy it, sorry.

Good catch. Unvote Vote mitch plus what greg is saying and Wing and IB and dakky.. I find it hard to believe all of them can be scum together.

As for Mets.. I have a feeling he was PR'd. Which means we need to analyze his posts to find the next scum. There's no reason for town to PR Mets. Had to be a scum PR. (If I'm right and he's PR'd of course.. we'll know later).

[BuJaber]

EBWOP -- FP'd by dakky: You have been claiming a power since the start. If scum want to kill you they will anyway. You're only depriving town from the information at this point. But maybe that's just my opinion.

[dakky21]

EBWOP -- FP'd by dakky: You have been claiming a power since the start. If scum want to kill you they will anyway. You're only depriving town from the information at this point. But maybe that's just my opinion.

Can you please tell me where I claimed a power ... since the start? Just gone through my own posts and couldn't find anything about me claiming a power. Only lynchproof. But you never know, I could have another modifier or role as well. Not helping them by answering your question. As a plain vanilla lynchproof, I'm pretty much an asset to them, because they don't have to worry about me... they can kill me last day. But if I was a lynchproof watcher, cop, doc or whatever, I'd be their no.1 target.... so hopefully that answers your question. Not revealing if I visited someone or I did not.

[TimWoodbury]

EBWOP -- FP'd by dakky: You have been claiming a power since the start. If scum want to kill you they will anyway. You're only depriving town from the information at this point. But maybe that's just my opinion.

Can you please tell me where I claimed a power ... since the start? Just gone through my own posts and couldn't find anything about me claiming a power. Only lynchproof. But you never know, I could have another modifier or role as well. Not helping them by answering your question. As a plain vanilla lynchproof, I'm pretty much an asset to them, because they don't have to worry about me... they can kill me last day. But if I was a lynchproof watcher, cop, doc or whatever, I'd be their no.1 target.... so hopefully that answers your question. Not revealing if I visited someone or I did not.

having a full game lynchproof player idd think would be game breaker at least i would think.and you did in D1 mention you had a 2nd role/power that you wasnt going to tell

[BuJaber]

Maybe I'm reading too much into it... but the bolded sections make you sound like your role is very important to town and very dangerous to mafia. Why else would they kill you "for sure"?

I'm not trying to hurt you or me, but if you so strongly believe you will die we need the help. You have more than just lynchproof and if I picked up on it, then scum probably picked up on it. And now that you asked me to tell you why I said what I said. Then they absolutely know.

You don't have to claim.. You know your role.. you have more info to make the decision. I just don't think it's right to keep it a secret anymore.
Plus with the doc dead you have no protection.

LOL

Right... now I am at L-1... OK let me think the course of further actions since I'm lynch proof.
I can't claim my role as that would really hurt town and there is no reason for it even being on L-1. As I said, re-read my posts above.

Fine with me, but you're making a mistake. I'll survive the lynch and what will happen next? Wasted lynch if you ask me while not bringing any new information into the game.

And I'm not trying to softclaim the same role as BuJ. My role is pretty much more vague.

Tell me Wing, would I be this courageous and brave if I wasn't really lynchproof? You'd expect a defense but you're not getting it. You can (try) to lynch me, I can't wait for mitch's hammer, while I'm saying only the truth, and you will need me later in the game if you want to win with town. If you're some kind of 3rd party survivor, then I accept your thinking, but please try to accept my as well. I'll probably get shot by mafia tonight and if there's a doctor, please save me.

If I'm lynched today, no lynch will happen, and mafia will probably try to kill me tonight unless someone protects me. I bet there is a protective role in the game. Ending a day with no lynch doesn't benefit town at all and losing a high power unlynchable town role is a non favorable to town even more. If you don't believe me, go ahead and lynch me, but have a doctor stand-by for the night. Easily proven role.

I'm not going to tell you what my role is because I don't know what/who are you and I have that luxury that you can't lynch me, while that is provable pretty much.

It's up to you to believe me or not. Waste a lynch and get me night killed. Sounds like a plan for us.

If I reveal my role I'll be shot by mafia tonight for sure and it's better to keep it a secret, that's why I'm asking for protection tonight, even if I'm lynched.

[dakky21]

having a full game lynchproof player idd think would be game breaker at least i would think.and you did in D1 mention you had a 2nd role/power that you wasnt going to tell

Right, found that post:

If I'm lynched today, no lynch will happen, and mafia will probably try to kill me tonight unless someone protects me. I bet there is a protective role in the game. Ending a day with no lynch doesn't benefit town at all and losing a high power unlynchable town role is a non favorable to town even more. If you don't believe me, go ahead and lynch me, but have a doctor stand-by for the night. Easily proven role.

Ever thought I lied about that to see who else will try to lynch/hammer me? Maybe I didn't. Maybe I did. Let's continue please, you aren't going to get an answer if I visited someone last night or I did not anyway.

BTW. HotShot tried to hammer but let's leave that aside for a while till we deal with Mitch, which really screams scum currently.

FP'd by BU but that doesn't change things.

[Iron Butterfly]

How can you say lynch proof is game breaking if you have no idea how many mafia there are, what their roles are or IF we have endgame scenarios such as a Nov 5th deadline (just a theory)

Also stop calling something game breaking when it is not.

Mitch is scum. There is to much going against him. HOWEVER we have several real days left and several players need to post and check in. I think Mets may have real life stuff as he tends to do this play and disappear stuff.

[william18]

madmitch - Ironbutterly, Hotshot53, Wingcmdrginkapo, Dakky21, Bujaber
wingcmdrginkapo - Tim Woodbury
ragian - madmitch

6 votes needed for a lynch.

[ptlowe]

dead mafia room?

[madmitch]

hurry up I need 1 more vote please.come on light that fuse

[Metsfanmax]

Henry percy aka brother of thomas percy was involved in the guy fawkes stkry.

Francis Bacon was not.

That is not completely accurate. While Bacon was not directly involved in the incident, he was an influential lawyer at the time, the King's Counsel, and I think a member of parliament. I don't know if he would have been actually at parliament when the plot was planned for, but if not, he was directly connected to many people who would have been. So it's a plausible role for someone to have, especially given that pretty much everyone who is town you would think has some relationship to parliament or the king. However it does sound a lot like the sort of role you would make up if you searched for people who were alive at the time.

IIRC from the edited 1st post, William at one point said there will be no vanilla roles so making you a doc after original doc died is pretty much bullshit. That would mean you have two roles now if there were no vanilla roles. I don't buy it, sorry.

No, "backup doc" is one role, and is completely fair game in a non-vanilla setup. It's not a vanilla role, because it can actually do something at least under some circumstances.

@dakky basically what hotshot said
@madmitch, did you visit anyone last night. yes i know you are claiming back up doc but i would like you to answer the question anyways.
@marashu, yes i have been taking notes. as for reads its still early in the game so i don't have any that i would consider solid. i do think madmitch is scum though, as IB said he has been following alot this game, their were a lot of other smaller reasons that just added up to me suspecting him. my main reason though i will keep to myself for now, sharing it would require me to claim and i rather keep my role hidden for now.
right now i think dakky and Bu are town, not 100% sure more around 60-70% as for the other players haven't formed an opinion yet just some gut feelings but with no good evidence that doesn't count for much

fastposted by marashu

Just read this after I posted my unvote

vote Mitch

gregwolf has info it seems. Until proven otherwise I will go with him.

gregwolf has "info?" Really? That's going to be the basis for lynching mitch? Why do you even trust gregwolf in this matter?

Ever thought I lied about that to see who else will try to lynch/hammer me? Maybe I didn't. Maybe I did.

Assuming you are town, then while your reticence may be tactically worthwhile, it's coming at the cost of a serious distraction to town. So either 1) full claim or 2) shut the hell up about whether you do or do not have other powers. It's that simple.

Backup is Mitchs favourite fake claim.

This is the point that swings me. Mitch fakeclaimed backup in HP mafia and it helped him win, and he also claimed backup doc in the surprise mafia. Backup roles are already pretty uncommon on CC, especially backup doc. So this does smack of him trying the tried-and-true claim and hoping no one notices.

vote madmitch

[HotShot53]

I also do not believe mitch's claim, for other reasons. Looks like he's lynched now anyway