Malta [Quenched]

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:09 pm

These are only provisional, but:

Pink (Port il-Kibr) for the light blue in gawdex.

Orange (nofhinsar) for the light blue in Malta.

That might look awful but see what happens

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:41 pm

Guiscard wrote:These are only provisional, but:

Pink (Port il-Kibr) for the light blue in gawdex.

Orange (nofhinsar) for the light blue in Malta.

That might look awful but see what happens

Ok did that on a rough draft...how does it look?

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:46 pm

It clashes a little but its not so 'bande' now. Perhaps swap orange with green? I may have made it worse i don;t know. See what the others think1

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:51 pm

Guiscard wrote:It clashes a little but its not so 'bande' now. Perhaps swap orange with green? I may have made it worse i don;t know. See what the others think1

I don't know but I don't feel satisfied with the result. I will check some more colour schemes. Thanks for your help Guiscard.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:56 pm

Fair enough

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:20 pm

ach! what happened! u gotta bring the magenta back. your brights are your best colours. and cyan and light blue cant go next to each other.

insertnamehere · Post by **insertnamehere** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:59 am

Enigma wrote:ach! what happened! u gotta bring the magenta back. your brights are your best colours. and cyan and light blue cant go next to each other.

i agree 100% but i still say that this should be put up and running , and that these cosmeticshave 0 affect . there are mcuh worse maps out there *cough * middle east , and this map easily owns them.

onbekende · Post by **onbekende** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:01 pm

I really thought the former colours were fine

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:13 pm

onbekende wrote:I really thought the former colours were fine

Well...me too for that matter. I guess I will make a poll or something about the colours.

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:17 pm

Okay with 80% of the votes in the poll the borders will remain like those shown in Version 4.15. Thanks for your votes. I will be starting a new poll about the colour scheme soon.

MarVal · Post by **MarVal** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:16 pm

I like the Version 4.17B (gradients), but thats personal.

It looks better in combination with the sea.

And one other question to you, Ruben Cassar:
How can U change another poll in youre own Topic?
Because I want to make another poll.

See U later on the map Foundry,

Grtz
MarVal

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:22 pm

MarVal wrote:I like the Version 4.17B (gradients), but thats personal.

It looks better in combination with the sea.

And one other question to you, Ruben Cassar:
How can U change another poll in youre own Topic?
Because I want to make another poll.

See U later on the map Foundry,

Grtz
MarVal

I like the gradients version as well. In fact I am undecided about which one I prefer! I will answer your other question via a pm.

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:30 pm

i like 17a- imo the gradients make it look dirty.

tals · Post by **tals** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:54 pm

Enigma wrote:i like 17a- imo the gradients make it look dirty.

Agreed

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:41 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:[/list]
Now lets look more at the game play changes that have taken place:
Port il-Kbir -- 5 Countries, 3 Borders, Bonus of 3. //// Due to the low number of countries and higher amount of borders, I think 3 is a sufficient bonus. Anything less wouldn't do it justice, but 4 seems pushing too much.
Nofsinhar Malta -- 5 Countries, 3 Borders, Bonus of 3. //// Exact copy of Port il-Kbir.
Punent Malta -- 6 Countries, 3 Borders, Bonus of 3. //// Does one more country justify the bonus of 4? It almost makes more sense if you make Nofsinhar Malta a bonus of 4, push this down to three..as Nofsinhar has the valuable Helipad...perhaps allowing that to be worth a bump in bonus value. But then you might have to say if you bump Nofsinhar Port deserves a bump due to it's reach of the North, but I think the Capital City bonus essentially does that.
Parti Centrali -- 6 Countries, 4 Borders, Bonus of 5. //// Looking at the number of both borders and countries, bonus of 5 seems to do it justice...as 6 seems too much...having a bonus for each country? I don't think so.
Lvant Malta -- 4 Countries, 3 Borders, Bonus of 3. //// Again, looking at the number, if you go the route of the one area above, it seems alright.
Tramuntana Malta -- 3 Countries, 2 Borders, Bonus of 2. //// Same goes for this continent as the two above.
Il-Ponta -- 4 Countries, 3 Borders, Bonus of 3. //// Copy cat.
Tramuntana Ghwadex -- 6 Countries, 2 Borders, Bonus of 4. //// This one seems a little off. Take a look at Punent. 1 more border but the same bonus. Unless you think having the helipad is justification for giving it essentially a bump in bonus to 4.
Nofsinhar Ghawdex -- 3 Countries, 3 Borders, Bonus of 2. //// If you go the route of not giving a +1 for each country, this seems alright...but it also seems maybe slightly under bonused...due to the fact it has 3 borders. What about removing the Fontana and San Lawrenz border, and making a Victoria and Xlendi border? That wouldn't change gameplay so much, as Victoria would take the place of being another border for Tramuntana Ghwadex, while giving Nofsinhar only 2 borders for a bonus of 2. That seems a little more reasonable.
Wooho. I think I've covered the things I currently want to. I'll check back again when I've more time, as this most took a while.

--Andy

While I am waiting for the poll results to decide about the visual aspect of the map I would like to focus the conversation again on the bonuses.

Replying to Andy's comments on the bonuses we do not agree about:

Punent ta' Malta which is currently at a bonus of 4. Andy is suggesting reducing this to 3 and maybe topping Nofsinhar ta' Malta to 4. I am undecided on this issue. I do not want all the bonus to be a static 3, but I understand Andy's point. What are other people's opinions on this issue?

Tramuntana ta' Ghawdex...it actually has 4 borders Andy not 2 as you stated. There is the helipad (which you partly took into consideration) but there is also the sea route. That is the reason I gave it a bonus of 4 and not 3. I think it should stay this way.

Nofsinhar ta' Ghawdex: Since the continent is very congested on the left hand side I prefer not to make that change as things would be too cluttered and the borders would remain the same, therefore not affecting gameplay in any way.

Any further feedback on the bonuses?

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:27 pm

I can see the other points, but Nof. Ghawdex seems out of whack.

--Andy

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:14 pm

looking at the colours again, i think if u just replaced the lt green up in the top it would be a lot better. that colour just seems out of place. something in the red family maybe?
oh- and i mentioned this b4, but i still think all the army circles need to be uniform in colour. but i know ur still wrking on the other visuals, just putting this up to be seen.

KEYOGI · Post by **KEYOGI** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:34 am

tals wrote:
Enigma wrote:i like 17a- imo the gradients make it look dirty.

Agreed

Me too.

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:39 am

AndyDufresne wrote:I can see the other points, but Nof. Ghawdex seems out of whack.

--Andy

Maybe I haven't understood what you meant to say in your post Andy. From what I gathered you want me to remove the Fontana-San Lawrenz border and make a Victoria-Xlendi border. However when I look at the map I realise that there is no border between Fontana and San Lawrenz and that there is already a border between Victoria and Xlendi! Can you explain again please?

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:41 am

Enigma wrote:looking at the colours again, i think if u just replaced the lt green up in the top it would be a lot better. that colour just seems out of place. something in the red family maybe?
oh- and i mentioned this b4, but i still think all the army circles need to be uniform in colour. but i know ur still wrking on the other visuals, just putting this up to be seen.

I will check about that. Regarding the army circles, they are not finalised yet. I think I might even have to enlarge them a bit for the numbers to fit in.

Originally I hadn't made them all of the same colour for visibility purposes. Is there a way to check if the numbers generated by the game fit in my circles? I haven't got any XML finished yet.

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:48 am

Ruben Cassar wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:I can see the other points, but Nof. Ghawdex seems out of whack.

--Andy

Maybe I haven't understood what you meant to say in your post Andy. From what I gathered you want me to remove the Fontana-San Lawrenz border and make a Victoria-Xlendi border. However when I look at the map I realise that there is no border between Fontana and San Lawrenz and that there is already a border between Victoria and Xlendi! Can you explain again please?

i think he meant it the other way around- remove the Victoria-Xlendi border and add a Fontana-San Lawrenz border. essentially just move the mountains up some. that way Nofsinhar will only have 2 borders, with a bonus of 2.

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:58 am

Enigma wrote:i think he meant it the other way around- remove the Victoria-Xlendi border and add a Fontana-San Lawrenz border. essentially just move the mountains up some. that way Nofsinhar will only have 2 borders, with a bonus of 2.

Hmm still I cannot understand the reasoning. Wouldn't we have the same number of borders but one more attack route this way? Now you can attack Fontana from San Lawrenz, and Sannat from Xewkija and Ghajnsielem. With the proposed change you would be able to attack Fontana from Victoria, Xlendi from Victoria and Sannat from Xewkija and Ghajnsielem thus making the continent even more vulnerable!

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:16 pm

sorry this is so messy, i did it fast.

1st- i put some army circles from a different map in, looks like you need to make them a little bit bigger but not much

2nd- i think the border change is what andy was refering too, please correct me if im wrong. it leaves 2 borders and 4 attack routes for Nofsinhar, as opposed to 3 borders and 4 attack routes.

3rd- i messed a little bit with the colours, by no means are they a necessary change or w/e. just an option. i added a purple and darkened the cyan a bit, and switched them around. i was trying to see for myself what a purple would look like, i couldnt make red work w/o being to close to the pink.
again im not saying these colours or positions should be permanent, in the least. just wanted to see what people thought about the added purple. i liked the original colours, the only one that seemed a little off was the lt green.

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:53 pm

Enigma unfortunately your picture link does not seem to be working. If you manage to put it up I can have a look.

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:37 pm

weird, im sorry, it works on my comp. ill try again but if it doesnt work its here: http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/2546/2341/1600/873095/CC%2520Malta%25204_17%2520copy.jpg