CYOC II Game Over!

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If you all want to see what's behind the mask, just ask, I warn you though... The ladies tend to swoon.

Well, time to get serious, or as serious as I can be. Which isn't very much.

Jonty isn't the top of my list for scumminess, but at least we've got a nice chain to unweave once we've woven this tangled web we surf. Wait, chains are links right? Well then we'll find the missing link once we click the weak link that breaks the chain. Yeah, that makes sense, nailed it!

Anyways, unvote vote jonty

I think we should hold off on more until we're sure that there aren't a bunch of roles that mess with votes or something.

Irony. Except jonty hadn't claimed yet.

Makes me think you are scum.

vote /

Meh...
It's just standard procedure; if you don't know if there are secret votes, you don't get too close to l-1
Just like if you don't know if your car's going to explode, you always open the door with your less needed hand.


Anyways, on to the main course.

Crazy unfortunately didn't give us much to go one, he pretty much laid low, but was among the seven who didn't vote against Jonty.

The others I will now give my professional psychological analysis of.

Patient 3: blakebowling

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Confirm.

Diagnosis: Coma

Treatment options: Poke/prod/stab/skewer

Patient 4: TheForgivenOne

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OK, L-2 claim time.

I'm Michael Gove. Town Decisive Politician. In the day, I can target up to 2 people, and order them to vote how I wish (i.e. I can tell / and strike to vote edoc). If at the end of the day, they haven't voted my target, they'll lose their vote to me the next day. I haven't used this role yet, and am more than willing to follow town's lead on how to use it.

I don't really believe this claim to be town I can't see a townie forcing someone to vote someone or else you lose your vote. I see it more as a third party type claim, or a mafia.

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OK, L-2 claim time.

I'm Michael Gove. Town Decisive Politician. In the day, I can target up to 2 people, and order them to vote how I wish (i.e. I can tell / and strike to vote edoc). If at the end of the day, they haven't voted my target, they'll lose their vote to me the next day. I haven't used this role yet, and am more than willing to follow town's lead on how to use it.

I don't really believe this claim to be town I can't see a townie forcing someone to vote someone or else you lose your vote. I see it more as a third party type claim, or a mafia.

The rules say role first, then alignment

Based on the data sent to me, I will create a role for the character. The player who sent me the character will recieve that role with a random alignment.

Hmmm, I guess, but you have to agree, it's not all that helpful to town. Well, at least to me, as I can't see it being helpful to use.

Diagnosis: Shows a reasonable disdain for the scum's actions, but fails to actualize. Possible distancing, or more likely fence-sittery. Baldy.

Treatment: Wait and see (No! It's contagious!). Rogaine (er, that too...).

Patient 10: Sheepofdumb

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Honestly, I'm a fan of not rushing through the joke vote phase unless we're running short on a dead line (and I didn't even get my obligatory joke vote on a newbie in). I understand wanting to get into serious discussion but there are valuable reactions that can be found in joke voting and honestly, I don't really have anyone I want to vote right now. I'd be kind of between Jonty for coming in and announcing that the joke vote stage is over and New Guy for his reaction. There's probably a slightly stronger case on New Guy but considering I have a fairly similar opinion I'm not going to vote for him for that. I could also vote spiesr I suppose but I'm not feeling a case on him even for day one.

I have to ask though New guy/Sheep are you two having a legitimate wedding or are you being forced into it? We need to get you gifts.

We called it off because it was too soon. I hardly know the guy. You can still get me gifts though, I like presents . Also, I did my reaction mostly because I thought it might be an actual find, not because I was defending sheep, but I guess a sentence can be read more than one way. Maybe a wedding between Jonty, Sheep and I should be arranged though, since we argue like a married couple

People seem to love getting me married off.

Joke vote stages die because someone puts forward a case against someone. Just saying that it's over is no fun and can kill the chatter. Directing the conversation is something a scum wants to do. Unvote vote jonty

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It was a little bit of role fishing to stir up some more discussion. It's an interesting PR and it's fun to try and figure it out.

Also, I believe my last vote was on Jonty, not doom.

Diagnosis: Technically did vote jonty, and that clears him of AAAAALLLL SUSPICION ; LISTEN TO ME AS I DISTRACT YOU WITH BRAINWASHING! *Ahem* I mean, Voted jonty early, before any bandwagon formed. All further posts are lazy jokes and lazy character speculation. Was sure to bring up the fact that he was still technically voting jonty (albeit for weak reasons back in the joke vote stage).

Treatment: Finger of suspicion!

12. Nebuchadnezzar

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It wouldn't be out of the realms of possibility that / has a PR (self-inflicted or not) but I don't think we should look into it too much

Somehow I didn't interpret that laugh from / as "ominous". Maybe it's just hard to convey tone through a forum post.

I agree, we can easily misinterpret tone in a forum

Okay, I'll ride this train. vote jonty

For:
1. trying to end joke vote early.
2. reading into Doom's post too much (reading that he softclaimed...)
3. I just don't like his general vibe in his posts.

Weak, yes...but what the heck, it is D1.

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I feel like this is a role that can be tested, but then again it could be kind of costly to try and test it. Regardless, if it indeed is town, it's most powerful near endgame. I don't think we need to make a lynch decision on this today.

unvote

Kinda do. No lynches are not permitted. We could never really determine if he is town or not either.

Brutal...

7. You may vote ‘no lynch’ to end the day without a death.

So you favor a no lynch? Seems like we have a candidate for tomorrow already.


Jonty's role isn't overly powerful as mafia, actually, as his targets still have a choice whether they obey him or not. If two people come forward near endgame who are "forced" to vote someone, they can still choose to vote Jonty off and not lose their vote next round (as he'd be dead). If he is scum, he is now a puppet in the hands of town, but he will probably be dead when the lynch finally hits.

Quite interesting that Aage would take my comment as somehow being in favor of a "no lynch" vote. If I wanted to vote "no lynch" I would, don't you think? No, I was just pointing out how brutal edocs understanding of the game mechanics are, as he again falsely states that town can not vote for "no lynch." Clearly rule 7 says you can.

So, the two questions are:

1. Why is edoc claiming things are true without even reading the rules? Trying to mislead town? He has played long enough to know that each game varies and should read the rules. So, this isn't a rookie mistake.
2. Why did Aage claim that I support a "no lynch" and try to set me up as "a candidate for tomorrow already"? I'm clearly voting for Jonty right now. This seems indicative of mafia trying to discredit everyone else so that in future days they can make a case against them.

We've been on Jonty a few days, and it doesn't appear that he will get the votes needed. So we can either sit in this stalemate until deadline, or we can move elsewhere. So, I will follow my weak case #2. Unvote. Vote Aage.

Diagnosis: Desire to lynch jonty during the prime of the bandwagon. Interrupted by a self defense attempts against edoc and aage.

Treament: Burn the witch!

Patient 13 safariguy5

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We are all pretty sure this is an NV game, so not really.

Just because you're not a vanilla doesn't make you a hero.

I detect signs of rolefishing here. I've yet to see "pro-town hero" used as a claim. It's always seen as either sarcasm or referring to got tonkaed.

unvote vote jonty

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Can I just say that I really enjoyed /'s post? I read it in a Drew Carey "Who's line is it anyways" voice in my head.

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I think it would be reasonably easy to test the power at least in terms of accuracy. I'm sure his targets will be informed of their vote manipulation. This is easily tested early on, so I'm not entirely sure the lynch is necessary. I don't think we necessarily need to lynch Day 1 for the sake of lynching. Certainly, no lynching with no information is not good, but we had a claim and the composition of the players on the wagon, so I'm of the opinion that it's not a wasted day should no blood be shed.

Diagnosis: Desire to pursue the jonty case early on offset by the fact that he was the strongest arguer against jonty's lynch. On the other other hand, my suspicion is allayed by the fact that he enjoys my posts.

Treatment: I'll give you my autograph!


Patient 16 Djfireside

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Im also kind of hit or miss on this one. THe vote portion can be good and since the role was created before the alignment as stated I have to relinquish TFO's statement despite my agreement with it. In overall statement I would say that would befit a third party best but this could be easily tested. Is the power a single use or a daily occurance?

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You do make a point on the two. I would day that edoc is being a bit overzealous on the must lynch portion which always looks eager to get through the day. I concur with the fact that you were simply stating fact to debunk edoc's statement but aage seems like a vengence vote. Im unsure of what edocs train of thought was on that statement though as you are

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Okay so that confirms the action not the alignment or the action afterwards but at least it holds some merit

Diagnosis: Seems to subtly inject doubt into the jonty case, as well as possibly steering the conversation aside to the Neb V. Aage matter.

Treatment: Further investigation required.


So yeah, to break character back into my character, and then break it again to reach the real world, I'm going to say that Sheep makes me the most suspicious at the moment, followed by safari, and a small gut feeling for DJ.

I'll look at the folks that did vote for jonty later, but don't expect a big post.
I will say that as a continuation of my thoughts yesterday, I feel that edoc and aage are acting oddly. Logically I shouldn't be as suspicious as I am now that I've seen that jonty's alignment was, but I still have a gut feeling for some reason.


PS: WTF; why is everyone trying to rolefish on a confirmed mafia target?

[Nebuchadnezer]

Patient 16 Djfireside

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Im also kind of hit or miss on this one. THe vote portion can be good and since the role was created before the alignment as stated I have to relinquish TFO's statement despite my agreement with it. In overall statement I would say that would befit a third party best but this could be easily tested. Is the power a single use or a daily occurance?

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You do make a point on the two. I would day that edoc is being a bit overzealous on the must lynch portion which always looks eager to get through the day. I concur with the fact that you were simply stating fact to debunk edoc's statement but aage seems like a vengence vote. Im unsure of what edocs train of thought was on that statement though as you are

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Okay so that confirms the action not the alignment or the action afterwards but at least it holds some merit

Diagnosis: Seems to subtly inject doubt into the jonty case, as well as possibly steering the conversation aside to the Neb V. Aage matter.

Treatment: Further investigation required.


So yeah, to break character back into my character, and then break it again to reach the real world, I'm going to say that Sheep makes me the most suspicious at the moment, followed by safari, and a small gut feeling for DJ.

I'll look at the folks that did vote for jonty later, but don't expect a big post.
I will say that as a continuation of my thoughts yesterday, I feel that edoc and aage are acting oddly. Logically I shouldn't be as suspicious as I am now that I've seen that jonty's alignment was, but I still have a gut feeling for some reason.


PS: WTF; why is everyone trying to rolefish on a confirmed mafia target?

This is a great analysis. Of your analysis, I think DJ struck me as the oddest. Why? Well, yes, I got off on the wrong tangent against aage. Trying to dig for something that may have not been there, and perhaps was a little OMGUS-y. However, DJ does seem to seize on my diversion and support it. Was he seriously thinking that aage was being scummy, or was he just trying to continue the diversion of attention from Jonty that I started?

As to the rolefishing...I don't think we are rolefishing, as much as we are trying to just clear Haymitch. Mafia already knows who Haymitch is, so what's the difference if the rest of the town knows who he is? I don't think we need his role or how he avoided death...but it would be nice to know who he is so town has the same info as mafia.

I'm not sure everyone has checked in, but...FOS DJfireside

[new guy1]

Although I believe Haymitch (if he is in the game) to be town, I would like to throw in that he could possibly be third party as well just for speculation.

[DoomYoshi]

Unvote vote blakebowling

[aage]

Although I believe Haymitch (if he is in the game) to be town, I would like to throw in that he could possibly be third party as well just for speculation.

Why would he not be in the game?

I believe John Watson's middle name was Haymich or something like it so there's a clue. Since scum targeted him, he is not scum. Neb already said it, the only ones in the dark about this guy are Town. Now, claiming needn't necessarily help so if he doesnt want to, thats okay and i'll just rule out some people who probably aren't him, but the other way is easier.


Also, I was going to try and leada lynch on him once he claimed because all of this is sketchy... But in all likelihood this guy is town and we may want to keep him alive.

[Djfireside]

I believe Haymitch to be the gift giver as stated earlier with the god power based on the Hunger Games trilogy, Haymitch is the coach who fights to get gifts for katniss.

As for your synapsis /, I agree with most of it, the more I thought about it at the end, the very nature of his role was not good and should have accounted for it. I got wrapped into the fact of proving it and when Neb changed gears it threw me for a loop so I followed it. I wasnt trying to divert it.

I had suspicions on Neb from yesterday but cant find anything other than what was stated so will just have to wait on see and look elsewhere.

[TheForgivenOne]

I believe Haymitch to be the gift giver as stated earlier with the god power based on the Hunger Games trilogy, Haymitch is the coach who fights to get gifts for katniss.

You know, I love the series, and I didn't even think of that! Very good possibility. (Although you may have gave away what role Haymitch is to the maffers).

Although I believe Haymitch (if he is in the game) to be town, I would like to throw in that he could possibly be third party as well just for speculation.

Why would he not be in the game?

That's a good question. I believe he is, due to the fact (For those of you who haven't read Catching Fire) that Haymitch killed someone like this when he was in the 50th Hunger Games.

Side note: I'm going on vacation until the 4th. Don't know if I will have interweb access.

[StubbsKVM]

I'll agree that Haymitch is town.

However, are we 100% sure there isn't another third party?
Keeping Haymitch secret is a good way to discourage a possible third party on making a kill.

[TheForgivenOne]

I'll agree that Haymitch is town.

However, are we 100% sure there isn't another third party?
Keeping Haymitch secret is a good way to discourage a possible third party on making a kill.

We haven't encountered a third party..? So what do you mean by "Another third party"? It sounds like you know who a third party is... or you are one.

[Djfireside]

That is a interesting catch. I am curious as to this as well

[new guy1]

Very interesting to me too. That may be the catch of the day

[strike wolf]

Ah Freudian slips. FOS worthy here but personally I don't like wasting time on third parties (I am obviously not counting cult or SK on this list though the possibility of SK being synonymous with 3P in this case is possible) so I would at least give Stubbs a chance to explain himself before charging.

I don't think I agree with the gift giver possibility. Haymitch's role seems powerful enough and the gift given to aage sounds more like an enabler type of thing (See POTC mafia) not necessarily a gifter.

As far as should Haymitch claim, I can see arguments on both sides:

Pros:

1. Haymitch is known to the rest of town and town wouldn't dare lynch him when he's pretty much proven bulletproof, would they? *Glances at Aage* Worst case scenario we now know the identity of a bulletproof third party best case, we now have an all but invulnerable townie.

2. Eliminates one name from the possible scum calendar and may even give new leads as to who would want to kill Haymitch. Is it the villainous Snow? Or one of his ancient ancestors Jon or Ramsey? Perhaps it's another treacherous president looking for power and framing the former? Could it even be a hijacked friend who has been hypnotized into joining the mafia and now considers his former ally a threat?

Cons:

1. There are still a lot of unknowns. Do we really need to know who Haymitch is? I mean are the above reasons going to be strong enough to have the person claim? Mafia is going to avoid the person at all costs, I would bet as two members down with Day 2 not even finished they couldn't afford to try to kill the same person again and risk the same thing happening (again). It would be like playing Russian Roulette with 6 bullets in the chamber. Haymitch admitting who he is would be like confirming who the mafia should avoid when there is still some doubt (possible busdrive).

2. Haymitch may not even be one of the possible suspects we are looking at for mafia right now. If he has no immediate possibility of lynch, is there sufficient reason that he should claim right now?

Overall, I think I agree with / that Haymitch claiming right now isn't necessary and it's probably for the best if he doesn't immediately. Now as town gets closer to lylo later on where one or two misvotes by town could lead to a rush against Haymitch, maybe Haymitch should reconsider around then about claiming early and before hand.

Also yes, with the scene flavor, this is almost certainly the Haymitch from The Hunger Games trilogy.

[StubbsKVM]

I'll agree that Haymitch is town.

However, are we 100% sure there isn't another third party?
Keeping Haymitch secret is a good way to discourage a possible third party on making a kill.

We haven't encountered a third party..? So what do you mean by "Another third party"? It sounds like you know who a third party is... or you are one.

I was referring to someone calling Haymitch third party.
I figured that would be obvious. Guess not.

[StubbsKVM]

EBWOP: that would have been new Guy, by the way.

[TheForgivenOne]

I'll agree that Haymitch is town.

However, are we 100% sure there isn't another third party?
Keeping Haymitch secret is a good way to discourage a possible third party on making a kill.

We haven't encountered a third party..? So what do you mean by "Another third party"? It sounds like you know who a third party is... or you are one.

I was referring to someone calling Haymitch third party.
I figured that would be obvious. Guess not.

Ah, okay.

I think new guy was just throwing speculation that Haymitch could be a third party. Also, / owes me Rogaine. We made a bet on who could get more laugh's out of a Irish Drinking Song. I won. Every time.

[StubbsKVM]

Exactly, that's Why I said Haymitch would be town, but there could be another third party.

[new guy1]

Exactly, that's Why I said Haymitch would be town, but there could be another third party.

So you dont mean another, you mean a different party (meaning other than the Haymitch possibility), right?

[edocsil]

Unvote vote blakebowling

Lets have him modkilled/vig'ed and lets not waste the towns time with an inactive

Also FOS doom for saying we should play lynch the inactive with so much to go on.

TYVM @ strike and / for their well thought out posts.

My personal opinion is to interrogate neb. I think he tried to get some town cred for the whole jonty thing and when it backfired he tried to cover his buddie. Vote neb strike and / both raise valid points and I could go with several of their cases if others don't agree with me.

Still on the road for work and back on Sunday. I'll see if I can get something more constructive going this coming week.

[StubbsKVM]

Exactly, that's Why I said Haymitch would be town, but there could be another third party.

So you dont mean another, you mean a different party (meaning other than the Haymitch possibility), right?

Exactly. I may have failed on that gramatically. Should I have said "an other" instead of "another"??

I wish Dutch was the universal language... Well not really. English is way cooler!

While I'm at it, how about some teaching?

"Town" in Dutch is "stad".

And yes, I'm drunk.

[new guy1]

Exactly, that's Why I said Haymitch would be town, but there could be another third party.

So you dont mean another, you mean a different party (meaning other than the Haymitch possibility), right?

Exactly. I may have failed on that gramatically. Should I have said "an other" instead of "another"??

I wish Dutch was the universal language... Well not really. English is way cooler!

While I'm at it, how about some teaching?

"Town" in Dutch is "stad".

And yes, I'm drunk.

Thanks for the information, and I withdrawal my interest in knowing your roll

[safariguy5]

Interesting. Mafia roleblocker dead already. Does anyone think follow the cop could work at this moment? Or are there still anti town roles that can put a spanner in the works?

Busdriver.

Possibility. Of course it will screw with the results, but this depends on the busdriver actually targeting the person the cop is targeting. Which given the large numbers, is a bit unlikely at this point. But it's a valid point, too many unknowns to consider that now.

I'm more worried about the doc save getting thrown out and having a dead cop next day. Iy's day two and I see no reason to call for a cop claim yet.

This is mere speculation though. I'm pretty sure scum has more aces up their sleeve.

The'boom' referred to a mafia lynch, obviously.

Also, more town info, someone gave me god powers last night, thanks for that whoever you are. From the mod's pm there was no reason to distrust the godpower so I used it, because it let me do my action twice. Not going to disclose anything else, but thought I should mention this.

I think this is definitely something that can be confirmed at some point whether or not the gift of god/double role usage is indeed Haymitch or not. However, it does bring up the possibility that a BP gift giver is extremely powerful unless the gift giving is one shot. I'm more inclined to believe that the gift giver is separate from Haymitch as I don't see a strong connection besides flavor for it being Haymitch.

And / is right, I was too defensive of the jonty lynch. Day 1 usually makes me more cautious on roles that I think can be verified.

[new guy1]

I agree with saf that the two are probably separate. One role having that much power probably would not be in the game.

[spiesr]

Very interesting. I'm quite sure I'll be pretty high on the list of people to look at, given that Jonty was scum. Boy did I make a bad choice to unvote him.

I'm not entirely comfortable with this post. I am getting the vibe that you are trying to deflect here hoping that you can sort of trivialize things before they get moving.
Vote Nebuchadnezer. I would like to see how you react if things do sort to go forward on that front.

[new guy1]

Very interesting. I'm quite sure I'll be pretty high on the list of people to look at, given that Jonty was scum. Boy did I make a bad choice to unvote him.

I'm not entirely comfortable with this post. I am getting the vibe that you are trying to deflect here hoping that you can sort of trivialize things before they get moving.
Vote Nebuchadnezer. I would like to see how you react if things do sort to go forward on that front.

Im split on it. I see how it is scummy, but I do the same thing all the time (that is call myself out), and Im usually town when I do that. I can see why he would say it, but then again I now see why I shouldnt do it anymore It looks so scummy.

[aage]

Interesting. Mafia roleblocker dead already. Does anyone think follow the cop could work at this moment? Or are there still anti town roles that can put a spanner in the works?

Busdriver.

Possibility. Of course it will screw with the results, but this depends on the busdriver actually targeting the person the cop is targeting. Which given the large numbers, is a bit unlikely at this point. But it's a valid point, too many unknowns to consider that now.

I'm more worried about the doc save getting thrown out and having a dead cop next day. Iy's day two and I see no reason to call for a cop claim yet.

This is mere speculation though. I'm pretty sure scum has more aces up their sleeve.

The'boom' referred to a mafia lynch, obviously.

Also, more town info, someone gave me god powers last night, thanks for that whoever you are. From the mod's pm there was no reason to distrust the godpower so I used it, because it let me do my action twice. Not going to disclose anything else, but thought I should mention this.

I think this is definitely something that can be confirmed at some point whether or not the gift of god/double role usage is indeed Haymitch or not. However, it does bring up the possibility that a BP gift giver is extremely powerful unless the gift giving is one shot. I'm more inclined to believe that the gift giver is separate from Haymitch as I don't see a strong connection besides flavor for it being Haymitch.

And / is right, I was too defensive of the jonty lynch. Day 1 usually makes me more cautious on roles that I think can be verified.

It's not one-shot. It would be ridiculous to give godpowers to me on day 1 without knowing anything about my role. I could be a commuter for all he knows, in which case the ability would've done nothing. I expect someone to receive "god powers" tonight again.

The gift giver is probably not Haymitch (and if he is, Haymitch was saved by someone else), there is still the possibility that someone busdrove Haymitch with the mafia roleblocker and we all got lucky. If he has god powers, he did not save himself.

1. Haymitch is known to the rest of town and town wouldn't dare lynch him when he's pretty much proven bulletproof, would they? *Glances at Aage*

Depends on what he claims.

I can vouch for the Dutch-English translation error being legit.

Blake should be modkilled or vigged, I don't know if there are replacements available. This is why I want to look into Doom. / presented five cases, some of which are worth looking into today. Blake's case is the weakest, only post from him was his confirm, so definitely not worth looking into today or ever. Doom's reply to /'s post is to change his vote from /, who presented the cases, to Blake, who is the least interesting target of today.

If this were day 1 and we had nothing to go on, I wouldn't have minded Doom's post/vote pattern. However, we have quite a lot of information and a few fingers and votes flying around. His vote-post doesn't move the day forward, it slows the day down, unnecessarily so. I didn't respond to it right away because I was posting on my phone and simply overlooked it. I don't understand why only Edocsil responds to it, and even so I don't understand the ease with which he disregards it.

vote Doom