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[sempaispellcheck]

I'm still waiting for an answer on the backstory behind the hate-boners that storr and mtam (mostly mtam) seem to have for each other.

mtam's nightkill claim is a serious question mark - and the main reason I voted for him, tbqh.
I highly doubt a vig would be so eager to use his N1 kill on a player who's clearly 3rd party.
You could theoretically say the same for scum, but storr has at least given the appearance of trying to be helpful to town (though how convincing he's been at it is another story), so scum may want to get him out of the way early.

As for BG, he's actually the only one I've played with (I said I hadn't played with any of you because I'd forgotten he was in this game).
The one game I was in with him, he came in as a replacement and somehow, someway, only needed 30 seconds of reading to pick out both remaining scum players. For that reason, I'd be somewhat inclined to trust his judgement.

sempai

[sempaispellcheck]

Unvote
Vote Iron Butterfly
... because he's only made one post since the game started.

He's not the only one - after rereading the thread, I don't have dakky down as having said anything meaningful, either.
MudPuppy and Pixar have each made one possibly somewhat meaningful post which didn't really tell us anything we didn't already know.
Any word on when skillful will get here?

sempai

[StorrZerg]

Ah, yes. Thank you, gt - I had forgotten who it was Storr was on about.
Now that I think about it, you've got some good points. Pressuring mtam could also help us get more of a feel for how helpful or harmful Storr will be.

UNVOTE STORR
VOTE MTAMBURINI

sempai

Here the death eater votes tambo
tambo claimed to have power to make me leave hogwarts in a latter set of posts.......

Sempai I think you need some detention for lies

[sempaispellcheck]

So much for your being helpful.
I was wary of mtam from the moment I saw him post that he had a nightkill.
I should have said as much when I voted for him.
Why didn't I? I don't really remember right now. Storr's antics may have been distracting me - and still are.

sempai

[Epitaph1]

VOTE COUNT

BGtheBrain - virus90
degaston - Strikewolf, HotShot
StorrZerg - dakky, aage, madmitch, BGtheBrain
mtamburini - sempai, Endgame
Ragian - mtamburini, dd
sempai - Storr, Streaker
IronButterfly - degaston

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

[StorrZerg]

So much for your being helpful.
I was wary of mtam from the moment I saw him post that he had a nightkill.
I should have said as much when I voted for him.
Why didn't I? I don't really remember right now. Storr's antics may have been distracting me - and still are.

sempai

You voted him before he claimed to have kp

[HotShot53]

I'm still waiting for an answer on the backstory behind the hate-boners that storr and mtam (mostly mtam) seem to have for each other.

Storr and Mtam are friends in real life... they often have a fight early in a game, and then get along the rest of the game. Storr has stated in a previous game that they will almost never try to actually lynch or night kill each other, so if mtam is a vig I doubt he will actually take out storr... in re-reading what mtam said he'd "use his power" on storr, not necessarily kill him... so it's possible he has some other power than vig he can use to check storr. (Or he's scum and already knows if storr is scum or not, so can just say tomorrow he checked him and storr's clean, whether or not he actually is. How much you can believe whatever he says about storr on day 2 depends how much you think mtam is town/scum. I'm still neutral on him at this point, as I am on most people, not enough to go on yet)

[sempaispellcheck]

So much for your being helpful.
I was wary of mtam from the moment I saw him post that he had a nightkill.
I should have said as much when I voted for him.
Why didn't I? I don't really remember right now. Storr's antics may have been distracting me - and still are.

sempai

You voted him before he claimed to have kp

That would explain why I didn't say as much, then.
Not exactly difficult to get confused in a game like this, with so many players and so much going on.

I will retract what I said earlier about mtam's nightkill claim being the main reason I voted for him.
It is, however, one of the main reasons for my vote still being on him.
I initially voted for him with the thought that since storr was pushing him so hard, his result would give us a better idea of what we were dealing with in regard to storr - as I've said several times.
mtam has since given us several additional reasons to consider him suspicious in his own right - including his nightkill claim - so my vote has not changed.

sempai

[got tonkaed]

Do we at this point have a reason to believe Mtam would be a vig and not an anti-town character with a night kill? I just haven't seen anyone say it, and since it got casually thrown out that he had the power to begin with, not sure why anyone is assuming it is aligned one way or the other.

[mtamburini]

Do we at this point have a reason to believe Mtam would be a vig and not an anti-town character with a night kill? I just haven't seen anyone say it, and since it got casually thrown out that he had the power to begin with, not sure why anyone is assuming it is aligned one way or the other.

Everyone assumed it because mafia are too scared to call me scum, you get some town points GOT

[pershy]

I could get behind a Ragian vote....

Also not useful. I could get behind one too, but you have to give reasons you can't just say "I would vote for this person if other people do" that's just scummy as hell.

Yes you can - because maybe you are waiting for reactions first before you give a reason. Anyway my reasoning was that I thought Rage could easily hide behind his ignorance of the Harry Potter universe and as he's stated it a few times it struck me a basis for suspicion. At this stage it's not much...

However the IB think is also interesting. I was scummily partnered with him and he was a great partner (it was ages ago...I don't think we were scum...I think we were malicious 3rd party). Anyway his silence is definitely cause for pressure.

As has been mentioned though others are pretty silent - like I said it's gonna be next to impossible to get scum on D1. I say we give it a day or 2 more and then really pressure one of the quiet ones for a claim and go from there....

I'm still happy to do that with Rage, also IB, Pix, MudP etc.

Also - I kinda defended Storr in one of my previous posts as he says he's filch...but I woke up this morning with a bad feeling about him and that claim. I know that sounds pretty sh*t, but it's happened to me b4 when something didn't sit well and it's usually cause the subconscious picks up on something or the claim doesn't sit right. Anyway enough of that for now, but I'm gonna put Filch in my "I'd be happy to lynch if it came to it but let's move on and get another claim" pile.

fastposted - hmm...I have to revisit where mtam says that about his power

[pershy]

Keep changing my mind about Storr too...
3rd party survivor could be Filch...
It's a decent fake claim too.

I'm gonna believe it for now and move on.

Where did Mtam casually throw out his potential ability? I didn't see it.

[dazza2008]

Thats the only part I Read which made me want to vote for you so how do you feel knowing that is my reasoning for you to die?

Honestly I could not give a f*ck. If you mean die in real life I am slightly concerned but I reckon I will sleep ok. If you mean in the game then f*ck it.

[got tonkaed]

Oh and most importantly VOTE STORR

UNVOTE VOTE RAIGAN or whatever the f*ck his name is, Ill just use my ability on storr tonight since I wont be able to get him lynched anyways

Also says in the next post lynched today or die tonight.

I would say there does seem to be a storr/mtam vibe that they are done going back and forth on each other as was mentioned in a meta post.

I think you could make the argument either one of the two should get lynched today. If storr truly is a third party survivor he is only useful to the town as long as he can find scum. Since he has seemingly thrown his hat in against sempai and choose to still post under character, we either lynch sempai or aren't listening to him.

Mtam was not super helpful upfront in the game, and has made a post or two that show more analysis later on. Having said that, if his style is to OMGUS bully most of the players coming after him, that's not going to serve town very well going forward. Even further more if we don't know if he has a town oriented ability. Truth be told he would likely get busdriven tonight anyway or his target would, so at the moment he isn't particular useful either way.

[dazza2008]

I've claimed 3rd party survivor, yet that's not obvious I guess. I'm under no post Restriction other than having fun and being sad I'm not with anyone.

I keep hearing people say Storr may have a trick up his sleeve or he may be useful later on.

He's either a 3rd party survivor who has done nothing but draw attention to himself, claimed without pressure and made D1 suck worse than normal OR hes lying about the full extent of his role.

So, yeah. Ill lynch based on poor play or Ill lynch on Lynch all Liars...

This is pretty much exactly what I am thinking.

Vote Stor

[degaston]

Unvote
Vote Iron Butterfly
... because he's only made one post since the game started.

He's not the only one - after rereading the thread, I don't have dakky down as having said anything meaningful, either.
MudPuppy and Pixar have each made one possibly somewhat meaningful post which didn't really tell us anything we didn't already know.

I know there are others, but you have to start somewhere... If IB starts participating, then maybe I'll move on to someone else. I annoyed the hell out of him with questions in my first game, so maybe he doesn't want to talk to me.

[degaston]

Oh, and could someone explain what a 3rd party survivor is? I'm not finding anything useful with google.

[got tonkaed]

Oh, and could someone explain what a 3rd party survivor is? I'm not finding anything useful with google.

He is claiming his only job is to make it to the end of the game alive. He doesn't win if the mafia win, he doesn't win if the town win, he only wins if he lives. It is a pretty weird claim to make day 1, but its a lot harder to make it when you are about to be lynched on day 3 or 4 or whatever.

[dazza2008]

Oh, and could someone explain what a 3rd party survivor is? I'm not finding anything useful with google.

Just has to survive till endgame. He can win with town or mafia.

I like this link for basic roles.

http://brianlance.net/mscumB.swf

[strike wolf]

Ib has been relatively absent in his other game as well. I think it might be a time issue.

@GoT: mtam tends to be fairly belligerant and is as likely if not more likely to cuss people out for not understanding why the person he is voting is scum than actually explain his reasoning.

[got tonkaed]

Strike - if that is his strategy he is not of much use to town. Let's face it, if every other post in response is backtracking because someone is teeing off on someone, it only muddles reads and makes it harder to figure out how someone is reacting. As good of a candidate as any to pressure in my opinion.

unvote
Vote Mtamburini

[got tonkaed]

Dakky - want to let us all know why you think the mafia should be able to talk via pm during the daylight?

[degaston]

Dakky - want to let us all know why you think the mafia should be able to talk via pm during the daylight?

[charm]

VOTE skillfusniper

He has not made a single post and if he is not going to play then we might as well get rid of him now.

[degaston]

VOTE skillfusniper

He has not made a single post and if he is not going to play then we might as well get rid of him now.

I thought I had seen a message that he was on vacation, but maybe I was thinking of aage. I'd prefer to lynch a non-contributor over someone I don't have much of a read on.
Or maybe the mod will replace him?

Tonka, are you going to explain your last statement?