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[Epitaph1]

More thoughts:

- I totally botched the whole "what can people claim" stuff. I should have been a little more clear about that in the beginning, and made it clear that if people can cast spells, then they have wands.

- Also, floyd/wing was supposed to be Fletcher and Endgame was Fudge. I flipped their roles when Wing got killed by accident.

[Streaker]

I got a little nervous at the end there when mitch voted me...

And then I said he had to switch, did so perfectly, and people couldn't believe what was happening
This and the Talapus notes favorite moment in the game for me.

Oh yeah and the 'limbo' chat was a great read. Glad to see so many of the dead players following the game.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@Wing don't care is a bit off. But we are not town.

I was playing as pure VT, which was my mistake.

From the mafia quicktopic

wing is like a politer version of storr, very active no matter what his role.

[BGtheBrain]

*****

[aage]

The dead chat topic was a great read, nice to include that in a big game like this. Am I really that 'elegant'?


Regarding the game.

I think the biggest problem faced by the Town was the heavy focus on flavour. I've been advocating a focus away from the flavour all game not because that was helpful to mafia, but to get town cred. I think the reason several people were mislynched is because either their (lack of) spell didn't match their name (Dobby, Sirius), or their name was sketch (Snape). Moreover, we received two immensely powerful fake claims from the mod which were a get-out-of-jail-free card that could've gotten any of us into the endgame, barring damning investigations. If town had played this game like a regular mafia game without paying attention to the names attached to the roles, I think the town would've had a big chance at winning. The town's heavy focus on flavour also allowed me to play a false logic-card several times, as well as allow me to disregard it in favour of (a slightly corrupted version of) pure reason.

Another big reason why we won was our success during the first few days. As I said in our QT, I really don't think day one could have gone any better than this.
- Harry claims
- the cop claims
- the vig is lynched

On top of that, we NK'd another investigative role. By that point, I was very confident that our two fake claims were our strongest weapons - we could block or kill Deg whenever we wanted, but I felt it was easy to predict that he was going to investigate me; if he had investigated me, he would have found nothing. Turns out I was too confident and Deg sniped one of our mafia, so we had to kill him at that point.

Pixar was forced to a claim either day 2 or day 3, I'm not entirely sure. Regardless, knowing the town doctor is immensely valuable to a mafia who control a roleblock - especially one who was lethal after two hits.




Mistakes we made:
- Not counterclaiming Ragian. We discussed this in the topic too, apparently the mafia was expecting me to counterclaim him. I on the other hand tried to set someone else up for a counterclaim later in the game. When Epitaph posted the scene involving Ragian as "dumbledore", that option was no longer available, and we lost our most powerful fake claim.
- No real plans to wagon anyone specifically. We discussed in our QT who we were going to accuse and/or build cases against, but we remained divided in almost all of the vote counts, relying on the town to mislynch each other. This was a weakness as well as a strength, since it allowed us to keep distance and not be affiliated in case someone got killed. I don't think our mafia members could've been deduced based on Ragian's and Charm's flip, with the possible exception of Streaker who already was in the crosshairs.
- Assuming too much and having it bite in our ass. Mtam's disarm ability was already discussed in our QT, but it still caught us off-guard since it blocked the user even for the night it was cast, and functioned as a rolecop, which is how Charm died, and why Streaker should've been lynched. Another surprise was Mudpuppy's power suddenly showing up in the hands of a different townie. When MP claimed that he was disarmed, I rejoiced and assumed the power had vanished, since no other reports of functioning wands had popped up. Suddenly, our crucio-nightkill didn't go through, which delayed our win by two-ish days.
- Using the votesteal on day one. I felt the votesteal was the perfect backup power to hold in reserve - early-game it is not useful at all. HotShot argued that it should be used on one of our own to ward off suspicion and cursed Charm. By the end, this didn't help at all, and I would've preferred to keep our full potential a secret until it could be used to our advantage. This was countered by Hotshot's perfectly timed vote on Mitch which allowed our second strong fake-claim to walk.

[Metsfanmax]

- Couldn't believe charm made up her own fakeclaim. Very funny to see people react to that. I gave the mafia 2 strong fakeclaims (Ron, Dumbledore), 2 medium (Flitwick, Slughorn) and 2 crap fakeclaims (Dursley, Ollivander). Seriously, who believed that Dudley would be at Hogwarts?! They pretty much ignored the spell fakeclaims too. And the two best fakeclaims weren't as big of a factor as I thought they would be.

I know that balancing a game this complex is hard, so I can't criticize any of this. However, I wouldn't have given Ron and Dumbledore both to the mafia in this setup. Maybe one, at most.

[Endgame422]

3rd party was not supposed to claim our win condition. Storr got a free pass on this.
I definetly would have claimed survivor D4 when i got pressured.
3rd party is god damn hard when you have to lie about it.
Trying to be scummy enough to avoid NKs(my case against pix)but towny enough to not get lynched.
Almost worked. The one day i push hard on scum is the day town kills me.
The irony is not lost on me.
I was thinking i could get my last bit of towncredit by really going for streaker and then just coast for a day or so. Scum was way more likely to kill strike/mars as they were confirmed and protective roles so i thought i would be safe. Didnt factor in confirmed town defending streaker over me.
A bit disappointing to lose at the very last moment but big ups to epi for running this show.
Good game all

[Epitaph1]

How you guys lynched endgame over Streaker, I'll never know.

[Epitaph1]

What's the record for longest mafia game btw?

[StorrZerg]

This one.

Largest tied for this I think.

[StorrZerg]

3rd party was not supposed to claim our win condition. Storr got a free pass on this.
I definetly would have claimed survivor D4 when i got pressured.
3rd party is god damn hard when you have to lie about it.
Trying to be scummy enough to avoid NKs(my case against pix)but towny enough to not get lynched.
Almost worked. The one day i push hard on scum is the day town kills me.
The irony is not lost on me.
I was thinking i could get my last bit of towncredit by really going for streaker and then just coast for a day or so. Scum was way more likely to kill strike/mars as they were confirmed and protective roles so i thought i would be safe. Didnt factor in confirmed town defending streaker over me.
A bit disappointing to lose at the very last moment but big ups to epi for running this show.
Good game all

3p survivor wincon is blatant.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I asked mod if I could use the word "survivor" in a claim, and he said I could.

[Endgame422]

Ya after you claimed storr I was told that the only thing i could claim was my name and that i was wandless.
Not that i was 3rd party,not that my condition was to survive,nothing.
Would have been interesting if scum hadnt known you were 3rd party.

[StorrZerg]

What no. You should be able to claim alignment wtf

[aage]

Ya after you claimed storr I was told that the only thing i could claim was my name and that i was wandless.
Not that i was 3rd party,not that my condition was to survive,nothing.
Would have been interesting if scum hadnt known you were 3rd party.

We would've cut our losses, hanged Streaker and then perform the double-kill, forced the vote stalemate and then played the waiting game. As we've said, we would've won even if Streaker was hanged. We agreed that Streaker should claim so we could end the game sooner, since the mafia win was inevitable anyway.

[aage]

How you guys lynched endgame over Streaker, I'll never know.

I tried to remove some attention from Streaker by reviving the wagon on Mitch. That wagon wasn't going to result in a Madmitch lynch due to his role + the imperio vote on him, but would have given Streaker time to recover and scramble his defence. That failed, but fortunately town never ceased to shoot itself in the foot. This post is the turning point for Streaker vs Endgame:

Right now I dislike Endgame the most.

As far as Mitch if Hotshot (I think it was) is right about the secret vote not being able to move that would make it less likely that he is lying.

Why Strike wanted Endgame dead rather than Streaker? Probably due to Endgame's voting pattern. Strike's post swung Mudpuppy and Storr over to the Endgame wagon and gave us the lynch.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

End - You could have even just asked the simple question, "When did I say I was town?" and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to claim for you. I noticed that you never said you were VT, but just wandless. (Epitaph had told us you were 3p by this point).

[aage]

End - You could have even just asked the simple question, "When did I say I was town?" and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to claim for you. I noticed that you never said you were VT, but just wandless. (Epitaph had told us you were 3p by this point).

Nobody would've believed him and he would have been hanged anyway. Storr might have been on his side but 3 survivors in a single game is unusually many.

In hindsight, mafia also wouldn't have unvoted to help him. At that point in the game, we would have put our entire fate in the hands of two third-party survivors, and Storr already expressed his preference for town.

[Endgame422]

End - You could have even just asked the simple question, "When did I say I was town?" and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to claim for you. I noticed that you never said you were VT, but just wandless. (Epitaph had told us you were 3p by this point).

Meh.
Kinda seemed like the point was not to claim my alignment,that was definetly the gist of epi resending the role PMs.
I thought about saying something to this effect when storr noticied i did not claim VT,but it seemed kinda against the spirit of it,so i just said "f*ck it ill have to lie"
Kind of interesting,sorta like playing scum as i was lying plenty,but sorta like town as i was trying hard to figure out who scum were so i could get that much needed towncredit and not get lynched.(Too late!)
And i didnt mean at endgame point aage it meant would have been interesting if storr had lied all game about being 3rd party.
Pershy lynch probably would not have happened.

[Streaker]

balance was very good considering the size. You cant control the fact that town lost all that power in 2 days.
If it goes the other way, and we lose 2 wands and get discovered in 2 days, and kill 2 VT or 3rd party then it's a whole other game.

The only thing was indeed the fake claims, 1 of the 2 very strong ones was too many.

[got tonkaed]

Who does mafia think was their mvp? Kinda hard to pick between you guys and storr not really knowing if someone was doing more of the planning behind the scenes. I doubt anyone would have caught on to aage or hotshot, but that might not be all to go off of.

[StorrZerg]

Eah 1 wand to use 3 spells was kinda op. Generally lynching mafia should have some impact besides numbers

And all mafia had wands XD

[Epitaph1]

In retrospect, yeah, I should have made it one curse per wand. Would have made the end much different because people were starting to let Streaker live since he didn't have a wand. Would have been cray to see the mafia choose which 2 spells to use if they lost HotShot over Streaker (granted, HotShot wouldn't have come out the way he did if he knew they needed 3 wands).

I actually don't think the fakeclaim issue was a big deal. It could have been much worse for the town in the regard than the way it played out.

I told Storr at the beginning of the game that if he made it as Filch, he would get my MVP vote. And he did.

[aage]

Who does mafia think was their mvp? Kinda hard to pick between you guys and storr not really knowing if someone was doing more of the planning behind the scenes. I doubt anyone would have caught on to aage or hotshot, but that might not be all to go off of.

Epi provided the quicktopic link so you can read it all back. I'd say most valuable mafia goes between me, Streaker and Hotshot. Storr was honestly fairly detrimental to our team, and only wins because we let him.

I'm also sad that Ragian died so soon before he had his chance to really shine for the MVP. Judging by his activity in our QT, he has a lot of potential for intrigue and planning.

[mtamburini]

IF charm flips scum lynch streaker the next day.