[ACC] The All Comers Cup - Final

[Gunn217]

Look deep at the starfish. When it winks, they will know defeat.

You know the stunner is coming.

The shocker for you, my friend!

[eggrollonedolla]

Ill kiss it.

I'MA MAN, BABY!!!!!

[Gunn217]

Ill kiss it.

I'MA MAN, BABY!!!!!

Dude! You just got married!?! Why are you talking about kissing starfishes?

[danryan]

Ill kiss it.

I'MA MAN, BABY!!!!!

Dude! You just got married!?! Why are you talking about kissing starfishes?

He just got married. No more sex. Quod Erat Demonstratum.

[Teflon Kris]

Result update:

LOW (Legends of War) defeated GR (Grim Reapers)

[patrickaa317]

Result update:

LOW (Legends of War) defeated GR (Grim Reapers)

Good luck next round LOW

[reptile]

Thanks Patrica, very even fight out there even without one of your guys

(i know i am moving your ranking up when vote time comes around again, very well done). As should most anyone that was following this war.

[eggrollonedolla]

Ill kiss it.

I'MA MAN, BABY!!!!!

Dude! You just got married!?! Why are you talking about kissing starfishes?

He just got married. No more sex. Quod Erat Demonstratum.

[DogAlmighty]

Ill kiss it.

I'MA MAN, BABY!!!!!

Dude! You just got married!?! Why are you talking about kissing starfishes?

He just got married. No more sex. Quod Erat Demonstratum.

Nah, just need to keep It happy and all's well. Quid Pro Quo.

[hotfire]

so far the proposed optimistic schedule is only 3 weeks off....after only almost 2 rounds...

[TheMissionary]

What's the story with GG/AOD? We are ready to get started over here at the airport.

[kennys777]

What's the story with GG/AOD? We are ready to get started over here at the airport.

Well, there was a delay on the decision from DJ, but it looks like he made his decision. Good luck to the remaining clans...Poorly run tournament DJ, but I have already said my piece of mind.

[Gunn217]

Please don't get negative in the main thread. If you want to continue to bitch, do it in PM or in the GG/AOD thread. You've done a fine job, DJ.

[kennys777]

Please don't get negative in the main thread. If you want to continue to bitch, do it in PM or in the GG/AOD thread. You've done a fine job, DJ.

Isn't "if you want to continue to bitch" a negative comment in itself? Save your rhetoric for someone else, I believe I am afforded the right to speak about how this tournament was run.

[Teflon Kris]

Never mind, at least the South Park Kenny kept his mouth shut

Seriously though, AOD are annoyed as GG were messy with the FOW courtesy. On inspection, they hadn't violated in any games they won, although it didn't help I took AOD on their word initially when they started complaining.

To complicate things AOD want an alternative to the CLA FOW rule to apply.

There is also debate about a remade game. A deadbeat situation led to this. MOWs suggested a remake, voiding the original game. AOD want to undo this, claiming duress.

A further complaint relates to minimal consequences imposed when GG were late creating and joining games. This has occured in many ties and leeway was given.

Going into round 3, FOW will be clarified, no action taken on deadbeating (unless there is evidence its deliberate), consequences of lateness imposed strictly, and complaints must be made when violations occur (and not as ties reach a conclusion).

[codierose]

On inspection, they hadn't violated in any games they won, although it didn't help I took AOD on their word initially when they started complaining.

you sure ? you keep changing your mind if you want quotes from where you said they did i will ok here you go

GG have violated the rule (where applicable to the map) 7 times in team games:

Game 9718975 AOD Won anyway
Game 9734213 GG close to winning
Game 9703281 - AOD Won anyway
Game 9703284 - GG won
Game 9703286 - GG won
Game 9703288 - AOD Won anyway
Game 9703292 - AOD Won anyway

This effectively means GG lose 4 points, and thereby hands the tie to GG - a sad end but rules are rules.

then the change of mind

CORRECTION :

The FOW Rule breach is only relevent in this game:

Game 9703284

and the change of mind again 7 to 1 to none. the indecsion in the way its been played had big part in why AOD is pissed
enough said well played GG gl in the next round

[Teflon Kris]

Yep, big balls up by me in accepting AOD's claim without inspecting properly.

[eggrollonedolla]

Please don't get negative in the main thread. If you want to continue to bitch, do it in PM or in the GG/AOD thread. You've done a fine job, DJ.

Isn't "if you want to continue to bitch" a negative comment in itself? Save your rhetoric for someone else, I believe I am afforded the right to speak about how this tournament was run.

actually continue to bitch is a statement about the happenings going on. I got some negative rhetoric in my pocket here for ya. DJ made a mistake without looking into the details completely. He has owned up to this and you need to chill out.

[General Brock II]

Looking forward to Round 3, MM!

edit: The conflict has transcended to here as well? Almost like a high tempered soap opera.

[stahrgazer]

Never mind, at least the South Park Kenny kept his mouth shut

Seriously though, AOD are annoyed as GG were messy with the FOW courtesy. On inspection, they hadn't violated in any games they won, although it didn't help I took AOD on their word initially when they started complaining.

To complicate things AOD want an alternative to the CLA FOW rule to apply.

There is also debate about a remade game. A deadbeat situation led to this. MOWs suggested a remake, voiding the original game. AOD want to undo this, claiming duress.

A further complaint relates to minimal consequences imposed when GG were late creating and joining games. This has occured in many ties and leeway was given.

Going into round 3, FOW will be clarified, no action taken on deadbeating (unless there is evidence its deliberate), consequences of lateness imposed strictly, and complaints must be made when violations occur (and not as ties reach a conclusion).

Interesting.
If there was some abuse of whatever 'gentleman's agreement' was made, I can see where AoD wouldn't be too thrilled.

Remaking a game when another team deadbeated, and no action taken? Seems wrong, especially since that's the only real 'CC rule': no deadbeating is a rule here, while the other things are gentlemen's agreements only.

Lateness can be aggravating, but it happens, so again, imposing consequences for that, "strictly," where deadbeating gets no action? Interesting. It does, however, make sense that complaints should be made immediately, not just if a game is going against the group that wasn't late.

But overall, if a team is consistently violating the little things, those little things add up into something bigger, so AoD's disgruntlement should be understandable; and since whatever venting took place here didn't violate any forum rules, what's the problem with them venting? Some of you may remember a similar series of miniscule infractions LoW witnessed in another series, that finally added up into something greater than the tiny parts. Little action was taken then, either, the reason given: no punishments for those infractions were stated up-front. But the other team WAS severely warned to stick to their agreements, which was something.

Yeah, little things rub, and when repeated, it's like continually rubbing at a scab: eventually it gets more sore, more raw, and more bloody, even if "rubbing" itself doesn't make wounds.

Sorry you had an un-enjoyable time, AoD.

[Teflon Kris]

Remaking a game when another team deadbeated, and no action taken? Seems wrong, especially since that's the only real 'CC rule': no deadbeating is a rule here, while the other things are gentlemen's agreements only.

The no deadbeating rule sounds interesting, please point me in that direction.

The deliberate missed turn / time-out rule still applies to deadbeating of course.

Remaking was the action taken (after joint suggestion by MOWs). Given the subsequent furore, and attempts to reverse the agreement, it is not an advisable action in circumstances such as these.

In future rounds, if deadbeating is demonstrated to be deliberate (which it wasn't here) then the game is awarded to the opponent.

Rule updates will be posted shortly.

Lateness can be aggravating, but it happens, so again, imposing consequences for that, "strictly," where deadbeating gets no action? Interesting. It does, however, make sense that complaints should be made immediately, not just if a game is going against the group that wasn't late.

But overall, if a team is consistently violating the little things, those little things add up into something bigger ... Yeah, little things rub, and when repeated, it's like continually rubbing at a scab: eventually it gets more sore, more raw, and more bloody, even if "rubbing" itself doesn't make wounds.

Sorry you had an un-enjoyable time, AoD.

Agreed, although very difficult to legislate against the accumulation of little things.

[General Brock II]

Never mind, at least the South Park Kenny kept his mouth shut

Seriously though, AOD are annoyed as GG were messy with the FOW courtesy. On inspection, they hadn't violated in any games they won, although it didn't help I took AOD on their word initially when they started complaining.

To complicate things AOD want an alternative to the CLA FOW rule to apply.

There is also debate about a remade game. A deadbeat situation led to this. MOWs suggested a remake, voiding the original game. AOD want to undo this, claiming duress.

A further complaint relates to minimal consequences imposed when GG were late creating and joining games. This has occured in many ties and leeway was given.

Going into round 3, FOW will be clarified, no action taken on deadbeating (unless there is evidence its deliberate), consequences of lateness imposed strictly, and complaints must be made when violations occur (and not as ties reach a conclusion).

Interesting.
If there was some abuse of whatever 'gentleman's agreement' was made, I can see where AoD wouldn't be too thrilled.

Remaking a game when another team deadbeated, and no action taken? Seems wrong, especially since that's the only real 'CC rule': no deadbeating is a rule here, while the other things are gentlemen's agreements only.

Lateness can be aggravating, but it happens, so again, imposing consequences for that, "strictly," where deadbeating gets no action? Interesting. It does, however, make sense that complaints should be made immediately, not just if a game is going against the group that wasn't late.

But overall, if a team is consistently violating the little things, those little things add up into something bigger, so AoD's disgruntlement should be understandable; and since whatever venting took place here didn't violate any forum rules, what's the problem with them venting? Some of you may remember a similar series of miniscule infractions LoW witnessed in another series, that finally added up into something greater than the tiny parts. Little action was taken then, either, the reason given: no punishments for those infractions were stated up-front. But the other team WAS severely warned to stick to their agreements, which was something.

Yeah, little things rub, and when repeated, it's like continually rubbing at a scab: eventually it gets more sore, more raw, and more bloody, even if "rubbing" itself doesn't make wounds.

Sorry you had an un-enjoyable time, AoD.

I think, Stahr, before becoming sympathetic, you should view the war forum... The fact that conflict has shifted to this forum, as well, is a little inordinate.

Gentleman's agreement? Interesting term...

And the "other team" didn't deadbeat. A player has disappeared, and we haven't heard from him at all, even now. We're just hoping that he's not deceased or hospitalized. I doubt that he'll remain a member of the Regiment, even if he does return.

[chemefreak]

Everyone ready for the third round?

[Teflon Kris]

Let's go.

Rules Update

Rules update (prior to start of Third Round - these additions add to, and supercede previous rules):

Missed Turns in a No Spoils Game
If there is any lateness on the creation of games, and the opposing MOW/captain can at that time request the random games to be created or wait till either they get to them or we put them up. No further repercussions occur once the games have started.

In addition, if there is any lateness in sending invites or joining games (accepting invites), and the opposing MOW/captain can at that time request that the game be declared a victory in their favour. No further repercussions then occur once the games have started.

Fog of War Courtesy Rule - Detailed Explanation
A similar interpretation to the CLA rule will be applied:
"If a team joining second starts first then they must either, wait for 12 hours, wait until their opponent states (in game chat) that they have seen the board, or take a turn without conquering or annihilating of their oppoinents' regions."

• Therefore, these examples show no violation of the rule:
  Game 9710587 - Player waited more than 12 hours
  Game 9703286 - Player took turn within 12 hours but did not conquer (or annihilate) an opponent's region
  Game 9734213 - Player took turn within 12 hours but did not conquer (or annihilate) an opponent's region
  Game 9718975 - Player took turn within 12 hours but did not conquer (or annihilate) an opponent's region
  
  Here are examples of violations:
  Game 9698818 - Player conquered opponent region with 12 hours
  Game 9697012 - Player conquered opponent region with 12 hours
  Game 9703288 - Player conquered opponent region with 12 hours
  Game 9703292 - Player conquered opponent region with 12 hours

In 1 v 1 matches, this will apply to whichever player goes first. Even if the player joining first goes first, he must wait or take a turn which doesn't conquer or annihilate an opponents' position (this is due to invites being sent simultaneously for 1 v 1 and thereby a lack of evidence available to confirm which player actually joined second).

• Therefore, these examples show no violation of the rule in 1 v 1:
  Game 9758032 - Player took turn within 12 hours but did not conquer (or annihilate) an opponent's region
  Game 9758028 - Player took turn within 12 hours but did not conquer (or annihilate) an opponent's region
  
  Here are examples of violations:
  Game 9758030 - Player conquered opponent region with 12 hours
  Game 9758111 - Player conquered opponent region with 12 hours

FOW violations need to be reported, by the opposing MOW to the TOs, by the 3rd turn of turn of the affected game. Failure to do so implies consent to the move and will not be considered a violation.

Missed Turns in a No Spoils Game
Missed turns in no spoils will not be scrutinised or result in any penalty (it is very rare for an advantage to be gained).

Deadbeating
Deadbeating will not be considered to be a deliberate act unless evidence is provided to the contrary (e.g. evidence of the player turns being taken in other games when they could have taken place in the game in question). As with deliberate missed turns / 'time outs', the opposing team will be automatically awarded a victory for the game in question if strong evidence is proivided. .

Any agreements (such as both clans agreeing to forgo the FOW rule), changes, official statements, and/or conflict resolution discussions need to include pm's to TOs and be approved before finalized and accepted. These must have the MOW/clan rep making the pm to the Tournament Organiser. Clans cannot agree to restart games alone - this will only happen with Tournamanet Organiser approval in extreme circumstances.

If there are any suspected rule violations, they would need to be reported promptly for consideration.[/list]

The clock is now ticking - MOWs have been PM'd and all team games should be created (and joined for home games) within 84 hours.

Away team games should be joined within 1 week (unless home game creation by oppoenents misses the deadline (whereby MOWs can contact me to request opponents games are created as random)).



Congrats to MM who have created their home team games already.

[TheMissionary]

Well, what can we say...we've been ready.