Jonty125's Mad Mafia Game Over

[Metsfanmax]

I'll vote crasp. The fact that he didn't give his name is very telling. He could come up with one now, but we wouldn't be able to disprove it because there's no outside storyline for this game.

[Lootifer]

This is very odd...

I'm going to follow my scum vibe on crasp...too many classic tells.

Unvote. Vote Crasp

Refusing to claim almost guarantees you're going to get lynched crasp. I can't see why you would refuse other than you are scum and are just giving up because you got caught.

Is it 7 or 8 votes to lynch? I thought with an even number its just divide by two.

Either way unvote

Why did you unvote here lootifer?

I have played two newbie games on mafiascum. I have lost two newbie games on mafiascum because newbie-town players have got frustrated at pressure and self-hammered (obviously not the only reason town lost, but self-hammers as town are baaaaad).

I know circumstances are different here (most importantly being he wasn't hammering), but his self-vote post sounded exactly like someone new to the game being unable to find a way to respond to pressure. It may be a scum-gambit (im doubting myself now ) but I took one look and thought "thank f*ck he is not hammering, because that's newbie-town".

Will post more once I go over the claim a bit in more detail.

[Lootifer]

Yeah I echo Nebs and Mets here: We need a full claim.

That self-vote still stands out as newb-town to me, and to me matches up with crasps play; on the other hand the claim is holier than swiss cheese.

I feel like its two competing Occams razors. Faking his self-vote rant doesnt add up, but neither does his claim... urgh.

[Metsfanmax]

Yeah I echo Nebs and Mets here: We need a full claim.

That self-vote still stands out as newb-town to me, and to me matches up with crasps play; on the other hand the claim is holier than swiss cheese.

I feel like its two competing Occams razors. Faking his self-vote rant doesnt add up, but neither does his claim... urgh.

To me the self-voting sounds like he got mad that people caught him and is trying something desperate to throw us off.

[safariguy5]

I find it coincidental that you just so happened to investigate NoS and you just so happened to find out he was roleblocker. Can you at least give some reasoning as to why you picked NoS to investigate last night?

Because otherwise, this is a very convenient fakeclaim with a lot of information that we already know to discount the claim.

[NoSurvivors]

I find it coincidental that you just so happened to investigate NoS and you just so happened to find out he was roleblocker. Can you at least give some reasoning as to why you picked NoS to investigate last night?

Because otherwise, this is a very convenient fakeclaim with a lot of information that we already know to discount the claim.

Not because I think crasp isnt full of crasp, but I think I was a good choice considering I was the scummiest looking player, especially after eldario came up town...

[virus90]

im not voting since i want to give crasp atleast a chance to defense himself, / full claim.
but the case against him is pretty solid. its very convenient to say you researched nos, since at the point you say it its the only player who has outed. the mix up with cop or role cop just made it worse.
so this is me softvoting on him...

[kgb007]

Sry for the brevity it's the weekend and I'm on a bachelor party but....

@saf investigating NoS - makes sense to me, yes it's convenient since we have a town role claim but there was a lot of pressure on NoS during the day and early run off.

@new guy your post was filler, nothing said my vote stays, my vote stays , I forget who made the point I was subtly trying to make with my original vote on new guy and quote from hotshot but I just have a gut feeling they are both scum

Other random thoughts, I can empathize with crasp

[kgb007]

Whoops that's what I get when posting on my phone sorry..

I can empathize with crasp as I mis claimed the name of my role in the rock and roll HOF game played on here a few months ago, I believe a few of you were in that game as well and can back me up on that assertion.

Will anyone besides nark support my case on new guy? We've got a lot of time before the day is out, we can always come back and test crasp's claim if other cases don't yield something more concrete (oh no, don't start in on me for diverting now) I haven't seen an updated VC but we can still get more info out of the day

[crasp]

I have made way too many mistakes in this game so more claiming isnt going to help and is just letting scum in with safe posts.
Role Cop is my role. I did investigate Nos. He is a roleblocker and I believe town. I also think he hit pay dirt on the first night and role blocked mafia. The poisoner is something else. Nos claims he blocked Benga. Check who the tag team IB and hotshot voted for before jumping over and lynching another townie. Now hot shot who was looking scummy has backed off leaving IB to keep the pressure on. He has pointed out that I am modding a game trying to insinuate that I am more experienced than i am letting on. That is a clan game and i am being coached by Eptaph. As Epitaph is not a clan member it needs to be in this forum not the clan one. IB knows this.
Good luck Town.

[Anarkistsdream]

I do not believe that is what IB was trying to "insinuate" at all...

But wow, dude....

Wow

[HotShot53]

I have made way too many mistakes in this game so more claiming isnt going to help and is just letting scum in with safe posts.

Just as an FYI, just because someone is voting you does not automatically make them scum, whether or not you are actually town. Usually townies that get lynched are mostly lynched by other townies who were mistaken.

Also, getting upset because people are voting you and giving up and refusals to claim as requested are not the way to avoid being lynched. If you had confidently claimed when you were originally being pressured to, and didn't get all upset, people probably would have believed you more and you wouldn't be in danger of being lynched now. Refusing to claim sounds to most people like you are scum and can't honestly claim and don't know what fake claim to make yet.

As an example, in another game I and another player were being pressured, and the vote countdown was getting low... I claimed, but instead of him claiming, he complained about the game mechanics etc and tried to say he wasn't claiming because he was protesting. People didn't accept that and lynched him (and he turned out to be scum).

So in a nutshell... putting out an OMGUS vote, throwing a pitty party, and getting upset is the way to get yourself lynched. Putting out a confident claim in the beginning is the way to convince people you're honest and get them to move on to someone else. It may be too late for you in this game, but consider this in the next game you play.

[crasp]

I do not believe that is what IB was trying to "insinuate" at all...

But wow, dude....

Wow

okay lets give him the benefit of the doubt. How is this post relevant to the game and what was the point in it iB.

Crasp I see you are Modding a game? Good luck with that.

How can you not know the difference between role cop and Cop?? They play like night and day. Please explain the confusion would you.

As far as the answer to your question IB i cant explain at this point in the game but look again at what you have just written.

[jonty125]

Vote Count

crasp (5) - Iron Butterfly; safariguy5; Nebuchadnezer; Metsfanmax; Anarkistsdream;
new guy1 (2) - kgb007;
Hotshot51 (1) - crasp;
NoSurvivors(1) - nagerous;

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is Friday 14 March @ 1800 GMT. If the vote count were to remain so at deadline a crasp would be lynched.

nagerous has been prodded.

[Anarkistsdream]

vote crasp

Just... yeah. The case has been made, so I will not reiterate everything posted on the last two to three pages... newguy has been ghostlike in both games he is in, so I am thinking real life may have hit him.

[Lootifer]

@ Jonty: I think your vote count is wrong, you have crasp twice in there.

@ those on crasp wagon (IB, Safari, Neb and Mets): you guys still want to lynch crasp? if so can you post your thoughts on his most recent posts and can you convince me that he's scum?

[Nebuchadnezer]

@ Jonty: I think your vote count is wrong, you have crasp twice in there.

@ those on crasp wagon (IB, Safari, Neb and Mets): you guys still want to lynch crasp? if so can you post your thoughts on his most recent posts and can you convince me that he's scum?

I'm not posting any more comments on Crasp. I think he's scum. It's not MY job to convince you. The evidence speaks for itself. However, I'll recap:
I think he royally screwed up his fake claim and was flailing about to try and make it work. First, he's a cop...but says his investigation returned roleblocker on the claimed roleblocker. Then he comes back with role cop after someone points out his error. He still hasn't made a full claim. He made the ever famous, "OMGUS, so I've voting myself." I also think too many people seem to buying the "he's new, he doesn't know what he's doing" excuse.

If people want to go for new guy, fine, have at it...my vote stays on the most questionable player in this game.

[Iron Butterfly]

@ Jonty: I think your vote count is wrong, you have crasp twice in there.

@ those on crasp wagon (IB, Safari, Neb and Mets): you guys still want to lynch crasp? if so can you post your thoughts on his most recent posts and can you convince me that he's scum?

You know what? I would be less then honest if I was not torn. The fact he still has his vote on himself drives me nuts. He spews all this poor me look what the bad men are doing to him. If he had any sense of self preservation he would have taken his vote off by now.

[crasp]

@ Jonty: I think your vote count is wrong, you have crasp twice in there.

@ those on crasp wagon (IB, Safari, Neb and Mets): you guys still want to lynch crasp? if so can you post your thoughts on his most recent posts and can you convince me that he's scum?

You know what? I would be less then honest if I was not torn. The fact he still has his vote on himself drives me nuts. He spews all this poor me look what the bad men are doing to him. If he had any sense of self preservation he would have taken his vote off by now.

Is it 7 or 8 votes to lynch? I thought with an even number its just divide by two.

Either way unvote

This is very odd...

I'm going to follow my scum vibe on crasp...too many classic tells.

Unvote. Vote Crasp

Odd isnt the word.Dont think it matters what I do the rope beckons. Town cop. And the one person i investigated is same person the scum have already flushed out.No Survivors. He is a role blocker. I dont know if he is town. sorry I cant be more help. Must be playing bad if somebody thinks i am the jester.
Unvote. Vote Hotshot if only to stop him outing more townies.

I thought I had.

[Iron Butterfly]

Yup you did. I missed it. The last vote count shows you still voting yourself...though it does show you voting hotshot.

There are reasons I am torn. I have as have others made mistakes like yours. I have gotten lynched for simple mistakes you have made. I and others Identify. What has not helped you is your attitude of defiance. You still have not claimed your name.

Your claimed role is only helpful if Town believes you and is not in doubt.

Your role may not help differentiate between mafia and town. Nos could be Town or mafia.

Your role would only help after someone claims or if you get a role that could not be Town.

If this were night two or three and you had some investigations under your belt this may have given you credibility. Your investigation was on someone who has already claimed. It also does not prove if he is Town or mafia.

You may very well be Town but your credibility is shot. There have been way to many mistakes. BIG mistakes. We also have two claimed roles. If you are both telling the truth we can not afford to force another claim. This is the best case we can have for today. My vote stays.

[safariguy5]

I can maybe buy the idea that he investigated NoS, but I think that it's a bit of a leap to assume NoS is town. Roleblocker is definitely a role that could be mafia as well as town, and for crasp to say that he think NoS is town sounds to me like he's trying to find someone who will believe/defend him. I think a crasp lynch can tell us something about whether NoS is town or not, might be good to set up discussion in the coming days.

[Iron Butterfly]

I can maybe buy the idea that he investigated NoS, but I think that it's a bit of a leap to assume NoS is town. Roleblocker is definitely a role that could be mafia as well as town, and for crasp to say that he think NoS is town sounds to me like he's trying to find someone who will believe/defend him. I think a crasp lynch can tell us something about whether NoS is town or not, might be good to set up discussion in the coming days.

Please explain how a Crasp lynch will tell us weather Nos is scum and not Town.

[nagerous]

I can maybe buy the idea that he investigated NoS, but I think that it's a bit of a leap to assume NoS is town. Roleblocker is definitely a role that could be mafia as well as town, and for crasp to say that he think NoS is town sounds to me like he's trying to find someone who will believe/defend him. I think a crasp lynch can tell us something about whether NoS is town or not, might be good to set up discussion in the coming days.

Please explain how a Crasp lynch will tell us weather Nos is scum and not Town.

Well he is saying that he has cleared NoS, so there is that...

unvote NoS

Guys, are we really going ahead and lynching crasp, this seems a big risk considering his claim as a role cop, of course it is highly coincidental that he claims a role of someone who has claimed but there is a solution. It is also very easy for someone to mix up role cop and cop especially as a new player.

Why don't we let him investigate someone else and see if he can get their role correctly before we go ahead and blindly lynch a cop?

Then again judging by the posts on the last few days it seems to be pick on the n00b day, I thought we were meant to be a welcoming sub-forum.

[nagerous]

If he is telling the truth here's just hoping that there is another cop out there, then again, he hasn't actually cleared NoS, we just know he is a roleblocker. Safari has made a very valid point in regards to common role of a mafia roleblocker, ironically a point NoS has tried to use on crasp to discredit his claim.

[kgb007]

still waiting on that prod for new guy..