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[Iron Butterfly]

My apologies for not posting. To be honest 24 players is a bit overwhelming for me and that combined with stress in RL makes it hard to catch up reading wise.

I will say this about Storr as he seems to have been the focal point. He has posted to draw attention to himself and he knows that. He is one of the metas I am most familiar with. I actually like his game play. Its a smart play if your a survivor and makes the bad guys skip over you. They win weather he lives or dies. Why target a survivor for a night kill?

Ill give some reads when caught up

[Streaker]

Are you guys actually serious with your votes on Storr? Can any of you give even 1 good scenario with a Storr lynch on D1? I don't see it.
It doesn't even matter if you believe his claim or not, Mtamb stated he'd take care of it if needed during the night.

What information does a Storr lynch give us? NOTHING.
Lastly, Storr is actually making a couple very good cases everyone is ignoring. Now, if you put aside his 'hectic' behaviour, you'd see his is putting up a good effort to scumhunt, which is MORE then any of you have been doing.

Please don't misunderstand my intentions with this post. It's not supposed to hard defend Storr, but to point out that there are better opportunities for D1 and that you guys are wasting precious votes here.
He is still a good backup-lynch if nothing comes out of the box, but really we should be looking into other players now.

Now go back and read my cases and those of the other players and write something about the other leads instead of funneling on the already claimed 3rd party survivor please.

[pershy]

*puts on reading glasses*

Yup decent points by streaker. Also Storr is good at scum hunting and therefore is a valuable town player (when town of course).

[Streaker]

Alright some more fuel on the Sempai case:

I'm still waiting for an answer on the backstory behind the hate-boners that storr and mtam (mostly mtam) seem to have for each other.

mtam's nightkill claim is a serious question mark - and the main reason I voted for him, tbqh.
I highly doubt a vig would be so eager to use his N1 kill on a player who's clearly 3rd party.
You could theoretically say the same for scum, but storr has at least given the appearance of trying to be helpful to town (though how convincing he's been at it is another story), so scum may want to get him out of the way early.

As for BG, he's actually the only one I've played with (I said I hadn't played with any of you because I'd forgotten he was in this game).
The one game I was in with him, he came in as a replacement and somehow, someway, only needed 30 seconds of reading to pick out both remaining scum players. For that reason, I'd be somewhat inclined to trust his judgement.

sempai

So you want to take out the player that promised to NK the person you found most scummy/annoying? Or are you scared of that NK?
I agree on your points about Storr now. However you say he is usefull now, but you reference trust in BG, who wants to lynch Storr. Doesn't make sense.

I am certain he's a very good player, and if his reads are worth following I will definitely pay attention to them. Now what is missing from this part is your town read on BG. You'd trust him without even reading him town? Where is this confidence coming from?

Will give you credit for pointing out the value in mafia taking out Storr.

There are too many contradictions going on in your posts. I hope others will pick up on this as well.

[Streaker]

Oh yes and don't forget about what Storr picked up:

So much for your being helpful.
I was wary of mtam from the moment I saw him post that he had a nightkill.
I should have said as much when I voted for him.
Why didn't I? I don't really remember right now. Storr's antics may have been distracting me - and still are.

sempai

You voted him before he claimed to have kp

It just adds to the list really. He comes back to retract his words on this, but in that same post also states that Mtamb has given other reasons for the suspicion without actually providing them.

It's simply a very scummy list all things considered.

[aage]

I thought I had seen a message that he was on vacation, but maybe I was thinking of aage.

I had said I could play from May 6th onwards. It's May 7th now.

My reasoning behind voting Storr is more based on fast-paced mafia logic than forum mafia logic. I've played Town of Salem a lot lately, and day one survivor claims always end up being serial killers, arsonists, godfathers, witches or werewolves.

What strikes me is that both Storr and Mtam have claimed a role (to some extent) while there have been no real leads at all. I wonder why would you do that? Is it because of the size of the game?
Concerning Mtam's 'claimed' nightkill ability, that's probably bullshit.
Concerning Storr's survivor claim, if legit I dislike the playstyle but I strongly feel we can't dismiss him as harmless so quickly. I want to see what he has to offer so unvote, but if there are 3rd party in this game it's more likely for them to be anti-town due to the size.


I'll look at the sempai case in a bit, but on a glance it seems to me that he's just as confused by the early claims as I am.

[Streaker]

I don't believe his night ability is bullshit. It's also a reference to a previous game (that I hosted) where Storr had a similar ability and was bullying players around with it. Now he is getting it right back in his face. But again, meta.

We cannot be certain of truth or not, but he claimed it and either he'll use it or be caught a liar.

[Ragian]

Anyway my reasoning was that I thought Rage could easily hide behind his ignorance of the Harry Potter universe and as he's stated it a few times it struck me a basis for suspicion. At this stage it's not much...

This, I feel, is a bit unfair. Yes, I'm pleading ignorance, but there's a reason. I don't know this universe. If this continues to be a problem, I think that I should perhaps substitute with one of the reserves - which would be done with no drama whatsoever - because a) I don't want to defend the fact that I don't know about this universe (apart from what people have told me, what I've googled, and the stuff from a song that was taken from Macbeth) and b) it's not fair if I'm holding up the game because you have to babysit me the flavour.

Re: BGtheBrain, I won't vote him today. I know BG as a no-nonsense player hating D1 who would rather get rid of anything that he feels might be a problem. This goes well in hand with his vote. That doesn't ring scummy to me. While I feel that D1 can easily be productive in that we get to see how people vote and how people react to pressure, BG doesn't necessarily agree. I read BG as town at this point, but I don't agree with his vote.

Re: Stor, I don't see why lynching him would be a preferred option. The few games I've played with him, he's been fairly adequate at finding scum or at least ruffle the feathers to an extent that something came out of it. I pretty much agree with this:

Lastly, Storr is actually making a couple very good cases everyone is ignoring. Now, if you put aside his 'hectic' behaviour, you'd see his is putting up a good effort to scumhunt, which is MORE then any of you have been doing.

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He is still a good backup-lynch if nothing comes out of the box, but really we should be looking into other players now.

I'll read the sempai case carefully when I get the chance tonight.

[Epitaph1]

VOTE COUNT

BGtheBrain - virus90
degaston - Strikewolf, HotShot
StorrZerg - dakky, madmitch, BGtheBrain, dazza
mtamburini - sempai, Endgame, got tonkaed
Ragian - mtamburini, dd
sempai - Storr, Streaker
IronButterfly - degaston
skillful - charm

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Skillful said he would miss the beginning of the game. He should be back soon.

[got tonkaed]

She posted it in the sign up thread of another game. She would like the mafia to be able to talk to each other during the day. I just wonder why you would say that while you were in a game.

[BGtheBrain]

*****

[Streaker]

VOTE COUNT

BGtheBrain - virus90
degaston - Strikewolf, HotShot
StorrZerg - dakky, madmitch, BGtheBrain, dazza
mtamburini - sempai, Endgame, got tonkaed
Ragian - mtamburini, dd
sempai - Storr, Streaker
IronButterfly - degaston
skillful - charm

Let's give this a closer look.

8 votes still missing, 1 of which is skillfullsniper. so 7 actually not voting yet.
virus vote on BG kinda wasted, so is degaston's vote on IB and charm's vote on sniper.

The cases that have the most content to them (in my opinion) are Storr, degaston, Raigan, Mtamb and Sempai.
I believe it would be best if we could focus our votes to this 'short list', in order to actually build some decent pressure.
Not saying I believe in all these cases, but I can understand those all.

I'm saying this because it's a big f*cking game, and I think we should narrow our search for information down to a few for now. We are just not getting anywhere at this pace.

Apologies if I'm being a bit pushy, but I'm just thinking out loud here.

So a few other points I'd like to make:
-Why pressure Mtamb now? He claimed some kind of vig. He also claimed to shoot Storr tonight. Some of you want to get rid of Storr. See where I'm going with this? It doesn't do anything to vote for either of these 2 players. This situation will resolve itself in the next day.
(Either Mtamb proves his role and we are rid of Storr - who is definitely not a town player, or Mtamb fails and is caught lying which gives us a great place to start D2).

[Streaker]

@ BG, you fp'd me.

Read my previous post. I hope you can agree to my last remark about Mtamb and Storr, about how that situation will resolve itself.
I absolutely agree he is witholding information. He admitted as much himself, even.

[StorrZerg]

She posted it in the sign up thread of another game. She would like the mafia to be able to talk to each other during the day. I just wonder why you would say that while you were in a game.

Just lost as mafia in the newbie game.

[BGtheBrain]

****

[StorrZerg]

I'm not lying, you haven't proved it And you can't, because I'm being truthful.

I've been keeping quiet here with Mrs. Norris, yet you are the one making all the noise, like peeves just causing a mess. You are the one, not caring about finding death eater today, or finding a student, you are tunneling

[Streaker]

Where did Storr lie again? Missed it I think.

Agree the loss of Storr is very small, but think of what you will have to work with on D2. No information because everyone's gonna be on that wagon. It's gonna be a D1 all over again. I don't want to rely solely on night actions.

You raise a good point about the variables though.

Now for today's business, we all agree storr is an acceptable lynch, but I'd love to pressure at least 1 more of my list before day ends.

Fp'd by storr

[StorrZerg]

kicking me from hogwarts doesn't benifit town either, since it doesn't remove a death eater, and you can't get good information from the lynch. You go into night down 1 pro student vote, with no idea about anything.

You may think it's sloppy play, either way you know you are not pushing me or anyonr for bring a death eater. You are pushing policy, and like last game I will defend myself from policy, since the best thing the students can do is push someone for being a death eater

[StorrZerg]

Where did Storr lie again? Missed it I think.

Agree the loss of Storr is very small, but think of what you will have to work with on D2. No information because everyone's gonna be on that wagon. It's gonna be a D1 all over again. I don't want to rely solely on night actions.

You raise a good point about the variables though.

Now for today's business, we all agree storr is an acceptable lynch, but I'd love to pressure at least 1 more of my list before day ends.

Fp'd by storr

I haven't lied, he is saying I could be a death eater lieing. He has nothing other than pushing policy.

[got tonkaed]

I think that is the biggest issue for me is that neither of those claims are super believable. I mean if you are a vig, you are never just giving away that on day one. You are laying low, make scum reads and looking like a hero in the day scenes. If you are a survivor well you either got boned by the mod in a 24 person game, or you are trying to avoid claiming something worse in a few game days.

The problem with the whole bit is, at some point we probably should be pushing the lurkers because there probably is a scummariner in there somewhere (or something untoward in a game this size).

Id lean towards keeping storr because he has done more to try and out players, like sempai (who i think has just probably misread things-but is a reasonable target). Mtam deciding it is a good idea to reveal a power role for funsies doesn't suggest a lot of value to the town going forward and could be a false claim.

[StorrZerg]

Mtamb is a bull like me, we like to make our spells do work when we can. He plays different. death eater storr/tambo don't showboat mafia power. Students tambo / storr showboat power when we can.

When I'm a student I always claim as soon as I can, in a way that can benifit the game. When. I'm a death eater, I always delay my claim till it fits perfectly, or never claim and suddenly win. check all my games here, it is fairly consistent. I've never claimed day 1 as mafia.

[StorrZerg]

@Got I got boned, I'm an aggressive player, that gets night killed often, and rarely lynched. As a death eater I don't fear death, just like when I'm a student. I don't fear it because I must either hunt for death eaters and find students or pretend to do so.

I'm scared, frail, and to a point I don't care. That's why I announced myself. I will always be a question mark, but it's better for the students to know my true motivations Now, I'm an open spellbook, with no spells.

[*Pixar*]

why is everyone going against the TNC clan??? Get your votes off storr and Ragian right now! I'm never in favor of voting for someone with no evidence to work off of. tThere aint no way anyone will get 13 votes on Day1 so with that said...

Vote No Lynch

[StorrZerg]

why is everyone going against the TNC clan??? Get your votes off storr and Ragian right now! I'm never in favor of voting for someone with no evidence to work off of. tThere aint no way anyone will get 13 votes on Day1 so with that said...

Vote No Lynch

Silly student, we will get someone kicked from hogwarts, better me than nobody. Cause even I can give honest reads. That is the only illusion I hold. best thing you can do, run along to class, find the imposters, or find a real student

[got tonkaed]

I mean there is only so much meta that you can go off of though. Like that is all fine and good, but I was the pro-town hero in a ton of games 4 years ago. How much do we have to buy someone's meta before we just say well in ok every game we play if someone acts like this, might as well just all vote since we know for sure how everyone will play.

Claiming vig and third party survivor should probably get one of you out of the game. It might not and if it doesn't cool beans, but if we have to play this whole game under the pretense that this is how you guys play it is going to be some pretty boring meta stuff.

Do you feel like claiming a vig role day one is a townie move?

Fast posted. There is literally no way in a 24 player game we are no lynching. We don't have a deadline, there is no reason at all to do that. It is a scummy thing to do to avoid getting information.