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Neoteny wrote:
DaGip wrote:I believe in Reincarnation, the transfer of my energy back into the Universe. and the energy that makes up your consciousness (and perhaps a few learned memories) can emerge as another life, somewhere else. Perhaps another human or perhaps not. It depends on what the last thoughts of the mind at death. If one focusses his/her death meditation towards coming back as a human, then that is what he or she will come back as. It doesn't really matter as all lifeforms continue on until they reach an enlightened stage. That enlightenment releases you from reincarnation and you will never come back ever again. You enter into nothingness. This is why Sidhartha Buddha will never return, he reached enlightenment and remains a part of everything, yet is part of nothing.

Most life forms choose to come back over and over and over again, for millions and millions of years; but eventually they will evolve into a higher conscioussness and will become enlightened at some point.

Are humans the only beings that can become enlightened? My belief is no. I think any living creature can find enlightenment and escape from this cycle of suffering, death, and rebirth.

You don't have to believe in a god to believe in reincarnation. I don't know if I talked to you about this before, but the Universe makes more sense as energy cycling and converging. And those convergences make certain patterns and geometries in accordance to their Velocity and Mass.

I believe that there is a HyperConscioussness that collects information like a giant database, and when certain events happen in the Universe that would throw a system out of balance, the HyperConscioussness sends signals out (like a SuperBrain) to correct imbalances in all systems. It is doing this all the time.

I believe it does this through the Stars and the Sun, and that all things are connected (like a Spider's Web) back to the Impulse Event (the Big Bang) that started the entire Universe. And what lies a little bit beyond that Impulse Event is the Universal Hyper Conscious.

Some people try to tag the Hyper Conscious with human attributes (which is quite normal to do, as that is the only way that many of us could possibly come to grips with such majesty and awe), but in reality it can't be gauged by human labels.

I am fine with calling it God, as it doesn't really care what you call it.

Sometimes I call it the Great Iswasat or Wasatis or Isatwas (the reason being because it is such an all enveloping HyperConscioussness that it exists and prevades all space and time, including all present, past, and future events; thusly the combined term ISWASAT for it is the IS and the WAS and the AT, which is to say the yet to be)

When atheism was my thing, I used to refer to God as The Great and Glorious Duh!

But I evolved from that childish mentality, and it is easier for me just to call it God.

And She is so powerful, that She can do anything!
:lol: So how do you describe your religious perspective to people in one or two words, Gip? I'm not sure I could do it...
Mushroom Trip!
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DaGip wrote:Well, I would have to say that you are not living your life any different morally, because your very essence of existing in America engrained your behaviours to reflect Christianized values and morals.

So to say that Christianity is useless, is not really giving it due credit.

What if America was established by Anton LeVay? And the Satanic Bible was what people adhered to for two hundred some years? Then how would you behave, think, and act? I think you would behave a bit differently.

Whether or not we believe in the Bible or the specific tenents of any particular Christianized faith, we are still emersed by Western Christianized thoughts. That is why (in my opinion) you act no differently morally as a nonChristian as opposed to if you were still practicing Christianity.

Just a thought. Christian teachings (do unto others...,love your enemy..., give to the poor...) need a little credit for how most of us westernized people behave. I don't mind reading the Bible every once in a while, as I like what Jesus says in the New Testament, and it actually makes sense. So even though I do not think of myself as a Christian, I still practice what Jesus says in the Bible. Just as I practice what Buddha had said in his teachings.

I grew up in Christianity, and then when I went to Hawaii for a few months, I was introduce to the teaching of Buddha in the libraries there. I would read those books everyday, along with my Bible I carried with me...and you know what?

Buddha said the EXACT same things, almost entirely verbatim! And Buddha existed 500 years before Jesus! So this tells me something!

Jesus acquired his teachings from the same source as Buddha, or he actually studied Buddhism and brought it to Israel.

But I just wanted you to know that because you are an atheist doesn't mean that you all of a sudden turn into a murderous asshole. You still cling on to teachings of the Christians even if you don't realize it. And that is a good thing!
Sure, there has been an influence, and I'm glad for some of it. However, my parents brought me up with the idea that I should "do unto others" etc. based on empathy and reason moreso than any particular religious affiliation. I would suggest that there are worldviews that impart the more noble ideals of religions without the negative outcomes that can come out of them. You beat me to the point that Christ was not necessarily an original thinker, but he was definitely a good guy, and worth emulating in many respects.

In all honesty, I think it's mildly pessimistic to imply that our morality might be different based on the religious background of our upbringing. I have conserved some views that I had picked up from my Christian upbringing (after much reevaluation of said views) and I have rejected as many, if not more. I wouldn't say that Christianity has had a positive impact on my life as the views that I retained could have been picked up from umpteen other sources, including my own rational thought. This doesn't make me any more or less moral than anyone else, I'll admit, but (tries to phrase next statement in an honest, yet unoffensive manner) I like to think it's based on a more reliable source.
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DaGip wrote:Mushroom Trip!
:lol:

And as far as Anton LeVay goes, if I've succeeded like I think I have in rejected one worldview, which is notable as they form the core of a person's social existence, I'm fully confident I could abandon another, even atheism if someone were convincing enough. This is assuming the society is the same as far as education, economics, etc.
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Neoteny wrote:
DaGip wrote:Mushroom Trip!
:lol:

And as far as Anton LeVay goes, if I've succeeded like I think I have in rejected one worldview, which is notable as they form the core of a person's social existence, I'm fully confident I could abandon another, even atheism if someone were convincing enough. This is assuming the society is the same as far as education, economics, etc.
i bet you havent drank as much as i have you girly man....st patties day and you are posting on here at 1:50 and not even drunk typ9in...what is wrong with you?
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got tonkaed wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
DaGip wrote:Mushroom Trip!
:lol:

And as far as Anton LeVay goes, if I've succeeded like I think I have in rejected one worldview, which is notable as they form the core of a person's social existence, I'm fully confident I could abandon another, even atheism if someone were convincing enough. This is assuming the society is the same as far as education, economics, etc.
i bet you havent drank as much as i have you girly man....st patties day and you are posting on here at 1:50 and not even drunk typ9in...what is wrong with you?
I have lame friends who did all their party this weekend. I could go take a few tequila shots to catch up to you if you want to truly debate the meaning of life.
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Neoteny wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
DaGip wrote:Mushroom Trip!
:lol:

And as far as Anton LeVay goes, if I've succeeded like I think I have in rejected one worldview, which is notable as they form the core of a person's social existence, I'm fully confident I could abandon another, even atheism if someone were convincing enough. This is assuming the society is the same as far as education, economics, etc.
i bet you havent drank as much as i have you girly man....st patties day and you are posting on here at 1:50 and not even drunk typ9in...what is wrong with you?
I have lame friends who did all their party this weekend. I could go take a few tequila shots to catch up to you if you want to truly debate the meaning of life.
the meaning of life is probably one of the more useless questions out there...why people try so hard to find one is beyond me...
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got tonkaed wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
DaGip wrote:Mushroom Trip!
:lol:

And as far as Anton LeVay goes, if I've succeeded like I think I have in rejected one worldview, which is notable as they form the core of a person's social existence, I'm fully confident I could abandon another, even atheism if someone were convincing enough. This is assuming the society is the same as far as education, economics, etc.
i bet you havent drank as much as i have you girly man....st patties day and you are posting on here at 1:50 and not even drunk typ9in...what is wrong with you?
I have lame friends who did all their party this weekend. I could go take a few tequila shots to catch up to you if you want to truly debate the meaning of life.
the meaning of life is probably one of the more useless questions out there...why people try so hard to find one is beyond me...
Science tells me it's sex. My mind tells me it's alcohol. My girlfriend says it is her. My dog thinks it has something to do with eating poo. It's all a matter of perspective, really.
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existentially i think your dog wins.
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got tonkaed wrote:existentially i think your dog wins.
Nietzsche would be proud.
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Neoteny wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:existentially i think your dog wins.
Nietzsche would be proud.
im not gonna lie, i think me and freddy would have been friends if he could have gotten over the fact that i grow better facial hair than he does.
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got tonkaed wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:existentially i think your dog wins.
Nietzsche would be proud.
im not gonna lie, i think me and freddy would have been friends if he could have gotten over the fact that i grow better facial hair than he does.
This is blasphemy. I'd like to see you try.

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got tonkaed wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
DaGip wrote:Mushroom Trip!
:lol:

And as far as Anton LeVay goes, if I've succeeded like I think I have in rejected one worldview, which is notable as they form the core of a person's social existence, I'm fully confident I could abandon another, even atheism if someone were convincing enough. This is assuming the society is the same as far as education, economics, etc.
i bet you havent drank as much as i have you girly man....st patties day and you are posting on here at 1:50 and not even drunk typ9in...what is wrong with you?
Also, in my defense, you are done by two in the morning. You still have at least three more hours of partying and one to two hours of vomiting before heading to class in order to be as manly as I.
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apparently he only grew the bit he had because his sister (who took care of him once he kind of lost his mind) couldnt really shave the stache with the flat razor....

moral of the story...im not insane, i can grow facial hair, and can also shave on my own....

zarathustra + 1 for freddie

ability to groom myself....even if poorly + 2 for me

final score 2-1 me....gg fred.
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Neoteny wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
DaGip wrote:Mushroom Trip!
:lol:

And as far as Anton LeVay goes, if I've succeeded like I think I have in rejected one worldview, which is notable as they form the core of a person's social existence, I'm fully confident I could abandon another, even atheism if someone were convincing enough. This is assuming the society is the same as far as education, economics, etc.
i bet you havent drank as much as i have you girly man....st patties day and you are posting on here at 1:50 and not even drunk typ9in...what is wrong with you?
Also, in my defense, you are done by two in the morning. You still have at least three more hours of partying and one to two hours of vomiting before heading to class in order to be as manly as I.
in my defense i started drinking at 9 this morning.
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got tonkaed wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
DaGip wrote:Mushroom Trip!
:lol:

And as far as Anton LeVay goes, if I've succeeded like I think I have in rejected one worldview, which is notable as they form the core of a person's social existence, I'm fully confident I could abandon another, even atheism if someone were convincing enough. This is assuming the society is the same as far as education, economics, etc.
i bet you havent drank as much as i have you girly man....st patties day and you are posting on here at 1:50 and not even drunk typ9in...what is wrong with you?
Also, in my defense, you are done by two in the morning. You still have at least three more hours of partying and one to two hours of vomiting before heading to class in order to be as manly as I.
in my defense i started drinking at 9 this morning.
:lol: Haven't done that in a few years. I'll give you this one.
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Neoteny wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
DaGip wrote:Mushroom Trip!
:lol:

And as far as Anton LeVay goes, if I've succeeded like I think I have in rejected one worldview, which is notable as they form the core of a person's social existence, I'm fully confident I could abandon another, even atheism if someone were convincing enough. This is assuming the society is the same as far as education, economics, etc.
i bet you havent drank as much as i have you girly man....st patties day and you are posting on here at 1:50 and not even drunk typ9in...what is wrong with you?
Also, in my defense, you are done by two in the morning. You still have at least three more hours of partying and one to two hours of vomiting before heading to class in order to be as manly as I.
in my defense i started drinking at 9 this morning.
:lol: Haven't done that in a few years. I'll give you this one.
im not gonna lie...my classes at 12 and 2 were much more interesting than they normally are.

some guy had the nerve to make an absurd statement about karl marx...im not sure who made the other the bigger ass...me perhaps slightly intoxicatedly calling out his terrible understanding of marx or him doing whatever teh heck he was doing...hes not very smart.
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got tonkaed wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:
Neoteny wrote: :lol:

And as far as Anton LeVay goes, if I've succeeded like I think I have in rejected one worldview, which is notable as they form the core of a person's social existence, I'm fully confident I could abandon another, even atheism if someone were convincing enough. This is assuming the society is the same as far as education, economics, etc.
i bet you havent drank as much as i have you girly man....st patties day and you are posting on here at 1:50 and not even drunk typ9in...what is wrong with you?
Also, in my defense, you are done by two in the morning. You still have at least three more hours of partying and one to two hours of vomiting before heading to class in order to be as manly as I.
in my defense i started drinking at 9 this morning.
:lol: Haven't done that in a few years. I'll give you this one.
im not gonna lie...my classes at 12 and 2 were much more interesting than they normally are.

some guy had the nerve to make an absurd statement about karl marx...im not sure who made the other the bigger ass...me perhaps slightly intoxicatedly calling out his terrible understanding of marx or him doing whatever teh heck he was doing...hes not very smart.
:lol: :lol: <-- actually worth two emoticons. Too bad we can't have any classes together. I would have loved to have seen it.
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got tonkaed wrote:
zarathustra + 1 for freddie

ability to groom myself....even if poorly + 2 for me

final score 2-1 me....gg fred.
There's no way you can only give him 1 point for zarathustra. I disagree with almost everything the man said, and I still think that's worth at least 5 if shaving is 2. I mean, I shave my head, and I'm good at it, which means I'd beat freddy by 2 or 3. No, I think brilliance outweighs grooming.
DaGip wrote:Buddha said the EXACT same things, almost entirely verbatim! And Buddha existed 500 years before Jesus! So this tells me something!

Jesus acquired his teachings from the same source as Buddha, or he actually studied Buddhism and brought it to Israel.

But I just wanted you to know that because you are an atheist doesn't mean that you all of a sudden turn into a murderous asshole. You still cling on to teachings of the Christians even if you don't realize it. And that is a good thing!
This is a pretty bold assertion, especially in light of the fact that the Buddhism denies the existence of a personal or imminent god, and Jesus claimed to BE God. Could you give me some passages in the Scripture which are similar to teachings Buddhism, as well as their parallel passages, and which Buddhist text they are in. That's a significant enough claim that if there is truth to it, it needs to be investigated.
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Gregrios wrote:Atheism is convient for the weak willed person. Heck, to choose Atheism over God is the easy way out because you havn't got to change your life inorder to believe in it.
Theism is convient for the weak willed person. Heck, to choose Theism over reality is the easy way out because you simply have to ignore life's roadbump's and let your fictitious, supernatural diety take care of everything.
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Backglass wrote:
Gregrios wrote:Atheism is convient for the weak willed person. Heck, to choose Atheism over God is the easy way out because you havn't got to change your life inorder to believe in it.
Theism is convient for the weak willed person. Heck, to choose Theism over reality is the easy way out because you simply have to ignore life's roadbump's and let your fictitious, supernatural diety take care of everything.
Arn't you just repeating what I said but in different words?
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Gregrios wrote:
Backglass wrote:
Gregrios wrote:Atheism is convient for the weak willed person. Heck, to choose Atheism over God is the easy way out because you havn't got to change your life inorder to believe in it.
Theism is convient for the weak willed person. Heck, to choose Theism over reality is the easy way out because you simply have to ignore life's roadbump's and let your fictitious, supernatural diety take care of everything.
Arn't you just repeating what I said in different words?
Humour, sir. With a "u."
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Gregrios wrote:Arn't you just repeating what I said but in different words?
Ahhh geez, you found me out. You will be a excellent addition to the christian lemming movement with such finely honed deductive reasoning powers.

You are no match for me...I surrender.

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Backglass wrote:
Gregrios wrote:Arn't you just repeating what I said but in different words?
Ahhh geez, you found me out. You will be a excellent addition to the christian lemming movement with such finely honed deductive reasoning powers.

You are no match for me...I surrender.

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i said other. the beast of revelation is in hell now but will be released at the right time. However, the anti-christ is a person that could very well be alive on earth now. possibly one of those in the poll. My opinion (tounge in cheek) is that Barak Obama is the anti christ. Just take a look at one of his rallies. Looks like some kind of cult to me. He talks of building the military-the Marines in particular. that serves his purpose of taking control cuz the pres. needs no vote or approval to deploy the marines. he is from eastern origins. his father's line is from east africa (prophecy says the anti-christ will have eastern roots). He is very convincing and charming, filling prophecy. there are other things i've heard of but i don't follow it that closely and i don't rememer the Bible as well as i should. Do i honestly think Obama is the anti-christ? maybe not. But is it possible? Very...
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