Sweeney Todd Mafia ~ Town Wins. Ready to be Archived

[naxus]

In case it is really hard for people to read between the lines, I can confirm that I am Johanna.

I also confirm that he is my lover.

Unvote vote jonty

[jonty125]

May I ask how is lynching me good for town?

[Mr. Squirrel]

Vote Count

saxlad (3) - haggis, jonty, vio
jonty (3) - saxlad, saf, naxus

8 alive, 5 to lynch
deadline sunday night

[Commander9]

May I ask how is lynching me good for town?

People are not buying your claim... I'm not buying it either, but I don't really buy Haggis' claim either. We should also consider that another strong fake claim was provided and somone is lying here.

[jonty125]

Thanks for that commander.

[safariguy5]

May I ask how is lynching me good for town?

People are not buying your claim... I'm not buying it either, but I don't really buy Haggis' claim either. We should also consider that another strong fake claim was provided and somone is lying here.

Well here are the connected roles.

Com9 and naxus- lovers

Sax and Shaggy- Toby and Pirelli.

And jonty Haggis and Vio are apparently unaffiliated VT's. Out of those three, jonty is the most obscure VT. If we find out he is a VT, I'd look hard at Sax and Shaggy, as Miller claim for Pirelli is very easily a scum trying to set up a a fakeclaim in case of investigation. I'm willing to consider lynching Sax on the off chance he's lying about Toby.

[Commander9]

Well here are the connected roles.

Com9 and naxus- lovers

Sax and Shaggy- Toby and Pirelli.

And jonty Haggis and Vio are apparently unaffiliated VT's. Out of those three, jonty is the most obscure VT. If we find out he is a VT, I'd look hard at Sax and Shaggy, as Miller claim for Pirelli is very easily a scum trying to set up a a fakeclaim in case of investigation. I'm willing to consider lynching Sax on the off chance he's lying about Toby.

I'm personally actually would prefer to kill Sax, then jony, then Haggis. I feel somewhat secure about others.

[safariguy5]

Well here are the connected roles.

Com9 and naxus- lovers

Sax and Shaggy- Toby and Pirelli.

And jonty Haggis and Vio are apparently unaffiliated VT's. Out of those three, jonty is the most obscure VT. If we find out he is a VT, I'd look hard at Sax and Shaggy, as Miller claim for Pirelli is very easily a scum trying to set up a a fakeclaim in case of investigation. I'm willing to consider lynching Sax on the off chance he's lying about Toby.

I'm personally actually would prefer to kill Sax, then jony, then Haggis. I feel somewhat secure about others.

I guess Sax has the potential to be harmful while jonty, if he isn't lying, is not a threat. If sax is lying however, then we got Shaggy as Lovett. Sorry sax, if you are town, then we'll make sure your death is not in vain. You're just too dangerous right now.

unvote vote Saxlad

[TheSaxlad]

@Safariguy, how many times are you going to vote hop, from me (then I provided a solid claim) to jonty (who didnt),then to me etc. I know he claims to be town cop... but really, no one needs to vote hop that much.

Anyway what with pirelli claimed you know I am town so its worth going off after the actual scum rather than me. Which we figured out two pages ago...

[Haggis_McMutton]

I already subtly claimed earlier, but I guess everyone missed it.

I am a London Priest.

Can you show is this previous subtle claim?

tbh, I kinda believe jonty, as I did notice him hinting towards the possibility of VT's early on and figured from then that he might well be one as well.

Additionally, edoc had a really convincing fake claim, why are we just assuming that Lovett doesn't?

Stealing safari's list.

1. Sweeney Todd- edocsil, Mafia Godfather
2. Mrs. Lovett- Unknown player, probably mafia janitor with Sweeney Todd
3. Toby- claimed by Saxlad, becomes mafia goon upon the death of Pirelli
4. Pirelli- claimed by shaggy, miller
5. Judge Turpin- safari, Hated Town Cop
6. Beggar woman/Lucy- claimed by DoomYoshi, pies gave random night actions, could be insane, Town Watcher
7. Anthony Hope- claimed by naxus, lover
8. Johanna- claimed by Com9, lover
9. Royal Marine- Victor Sullivan, Town Roleblocker
10. Lawyer - claimed by Haggis, VT
11. Priest - claimed by Violet, VT
12. Actor - claimed by Jonty, VT

Now, this means town basically had a roleblocker, watcher and (nerfed) cop. Town also had liabilities, like a miller and lovers. Given this set-up a 2 player scum group seems likely to me, though 3 is also possible I guess.

Now here's what I think about the players:
1. safari - almost certainly town, since he is the primary cause of edoc's death.
2. shaggy - likely town, his foreshadowing of the miler claim is convincing + he was also pushing hard for the edoc lynch
3. jonty - likely town, same as shaggy, foreshadowing + 3rd vote on edoc at a time where it wasn't at all certain whether he'd be killed.
4. violet - neutral, not really much to say, if you point out where you foreshadowed your role and it's believable I'd upgrade you to likely town
5.Sax - suspicious. Not voting edoc till pressured, odd reasons for pressuring saf, ambiguous role claim, says he was told not to trust saf which doesn't make a lot of sense.
6,7. Naxus and Commander - interesting situation. I didn't like a whole lot how either of them acted on the edoc matter. The lover did have me convinced till just now that they're innocent though. I mean imagining that they're both scum and pulled that gambit that early on is kind of a stretch.
However, I just had a thought. Edoc had a really strong claim partly because of his association with saf. What if it's the same story again? What if one of them is who he says he is, but the other one is Lovett with a mod-given fake claim as a lover? That would be one hell of a mod-given fake claim, granted, but Beaddle was also really strong.
We need to keep this possibility in mind.

In the mean-time, I agree that sax is the best bet for now so I'll keep my vote on him.

[safariguy5]

@Safariguy, how many times are you going to vote hop, from me (then I provided a solid claim) to jonty (who didnt),then to me etc. I know he claims to be town cop... but really, no one needs to vote hop that much.

Anyway what with pirelli claimed you know I am town so its worth going off after the actual scum rather than me. Which we figured out two pages ago...

Solid claim in this game may not be what we thought it was. I got tricked once yesterday, and I don't plan on being tricked again. And you're admitting to potentially be a third mafia member, which is much more dangerous than a VT. There only have been two cases, you and jonty, and I'm trying to decide which is more suspicious. Based on prior actions, especially on the edocsil wagon, you've been most suspicious and you've claimed a riskier role.

[ShaggyDan]

Hey guys, just got back from V/LA.

Thoughts:

Looking at the set-up we have from claims; it looks more likely for there to be a 2 person mafia rather than a 3 person mafia.

Assuming we have 3 mafia it means we have 2 alive at the moment. For a ratio of 6:2. This means we are in mylo.

Assuming we have 2 mafia it means we have 1 alive at the moment for a ratio of 7:1. This means we have 2 myslynches. The one mafia left alive is left down to 3 (or 4) people.

I personally think there were only 2 mafia (town was pretty nerfed with lovers, a hated cop, a miller and a recruitable), though I won't discount the idea there are 3.

In the case of Sax, I don't think scum would fakeclaim a role that could possibly be recruited. If he were scum and there was no Pirelli claimed or Pirelli got killed somehow then he would have been next. Though I would also like to say; there was no indication there was a Toby in my role PM, so it could have been a lucky fish (I doubt it).

I buy the lovers claim. I don't think mafia would have been given such a strong fakeclaim. More than likely they got fakeclaims of one character from the movie, and one VT.

TLDR; I think we should lynch one of the claimed VT's, though I am wary of the possibility of a 3-person mafia.

[safariguy5]

Hey guys, just got back from V/LA.

Thoughts:

Looking at the set-up we have from claims; it looks more likely for there to be a 2 person mafia rather than a 3 person mafia.

Assuming we have 3 mafia it means we have 2 alive at the moment. For a ratio of 6:2. This means we are in mylo.

Assuming we have 2 mafia it means we have 1 alive at the moment for a ratio of 7:1. This means we have 2 myslynches. The one mafia left alive is left down to 3 (or 4) people.

I personally think there were only 2 mafia (town was pretty nerfed with lovers, a hated cop, a miller and a recruitable), though I won't discount the idea there are 3.

In the case of Sax, I don't think scum would fakeclaim a role that could possibly be recruited. If he were scum and there was no Pirelli claimed or Pirelli got killed somehow then he would have been next. Though I would also like to say; there was no indication there was a Toby in my role PM, so it could have been a lucky fish (I doubt it).

I buy the lovers claim. I don't think mafia would have been given such a strong fakeclaim. More than likely they got fakeclaims of one character from the movie, and one VT.

TLDR; I think we should lynch one of the claimed VT's, though I am wary of the possibility of a 3-person mafia.

I considered that possibility, but there's been no indication from the claimed roles that we have any sort of doctor, so even if Sax isn't lying, you getting NKed by mafia today means we still have to lynch him tomorrow. We can take care of the VT's later as they're not a threat to turn mafia. And if I am NKed tonight, I have made my thoughts clear that I think jonty would be the best VT to pursue, followed by Vio and lastly Haggis.

[ShaggyDan]

I would rather try for a VT today then lynch Sax if I die during the night. If we believe in a two person mafia then we have a 1/3 chance of ending this now. Just because no-one has claimed Doctor doesn't mean there isn't one out. I don't think the doctor would stick their head out.

Though I guess the safer option is to lynch him. If he flips town-toby we know there is only 1 maf left in the VT's. Which will leave us with a ratio of 5:1 after a NK, with at least 2 confirmed town still alive.

With it being possibly mylo if there are 2 scum I guess this is the safest option... though if the lovers are pulling a fast one on us and are really 2 scum it will be a fairly lack lustre finish .

[Mr. Squirrel]

Vote Count

saxlad (4) - haggis, jonty, vio, saf
jonty (2) - saxlad, naxus

8 alive, 5 to lynch
deadline monday night


Deadline extended another 24 hours, due to the fact that I'm tired and I don't want to write a scene tonight. Expect night to fall sometime tomorrow evening. Right now, sax is set up to be lynched.

[VioIet]

Here you go Haggis.

First of all, I will unvote pending a counterclaim.

Reupdating the list.

1. Sweeney Todd- Probaby SKer
2. Mrs. Lovett- Pie maker per game mechanic, could be masoned with Sweeney Todd
3. Toby- Not sure...
4. Pirelli- Could be locator, looking for Todd
5. Judge Turpin- Me, Hated Town Cop
6. Beadle Bamford- edocsil (claimed) Hated Town Vig
7. Beggar woman/Lucy- claimed by DoomYoshi, pies gave random night actions, could be insane, Town Watcher
8. Anthony Hope- Lover, claimed by naxus
9. Johanna- essentially claimed by Com9, probable lover
10. Fogg- Could be jailkeeper
11. Royal Marine- Victor Sullivan, Town Roleblocker lynched.

there will be a few VTs

Why do you keep forgetting this part?

I have certainly not forgotten it. In fact, there is a constant reminder.
I cannot speak for others however.
Now- if saf did indeed list all the characters in the movie that will be in this game (i have no clue as i didn't read the book or watch the movie), then which one could be VT.
Only role I see left on the list is Toby, plus the four people that are unaccounted for.

[jonty125]

I would rather try for a VT today then lynch Sax if I die during the night. If we believe in a two person mafia then we have a 1/3 chance of ending this now. Just because no-one has claimed Doctor doesn't mean there isn't one out. I don't think the doctor would stick their head out.

Though I guess the safer option is to lynch him. If he flips town-toby we know there is only 1 maf left in the VT's. Which will leave us with a ratio of 5:1 after a NK, with at least 2 confirmed town still alive.

With it being possibly mylo if there are 2 scum I guess this is the safest option... though if the lovers are pulling a fast one on us and are really 2 scum it will be a fairly lack lustre finish .

Why would the mafia want to kill you as you will be 'recruited' to them if one of their number is lynched.

[naxus]

Unvote

Tonight seems like the night for mafia to try any gambits. Tommorow feels like lylo situation. Lets hope that we make the right decision

[naxus]

Unvote

Tonight seems like the night for mafia to try any gambits. Tommorow feels like lylo situation. Lets hope that we make the right decision

EBWOP

[safariguy5]

I would rather try for a VT today then lynch Sax if I die during the night. If we believe in a two person mafia then we have a 1/3 chance of ending this now. Just because no-one has claimed Doctor doesn't mean there isn't one out. I don't think the doctor would stick their head out.

Though I guess the safer option is to lynch him. If he flips town-toby we know there is only 1 maf left in the VT's. Which will leave us with a ratio of 5:1 after a NK, with at least 2 confirmed town still alive.

With it being possibly mylo if there are 2 scum I guess this is the safest option... though if the lovers are pulling a fast one on us and are really 2 scum it will be a fairly lack lustre finish .

Why would the mafia want to kill you as you will be 'recruited' to them if one of their number is lynched.

Mafia would want to kill him because Sax becomes mafia if Shaggy is killed. If we get rid of Sax today, then there's no reason to kill shaggy, giving town extra time to root out the remaining mafia.

[Mr. Squirrel]

The town noticed the small boy who had been running errands for the demon barber. Although the young lad hadn't known it, he had been secretly helping in the mass murder of many civilians. When he was arrested, the boy pleaded his innocence. He knew nothing about the barber or Mrs. Lovett's pies. However, Judge Turpin still gave him the guilty result and had him lynched.

Thesaxlad - Tobias Ragg (innocent mafia goon) has been lynched!

Night 3 Begins!

[Mr. Squirrel]

Once again, the town woke up after another peaceful night. The civilians, hungry after the hectic past few days, walked to Mrs. Lovett's Pie Shoppe for a warm breakfast. Unfortunately there was a sign on the door that said "Closed due to lack of ingredients." The people found it a bit odd, but eventually put it out of their minds.
Day 4 Begins!
Deadline next thursday

[safariguy5]

Well, obviously Sax lied about his role, making Shaggy's claim unlikely to be true either.

vote ShaggyDan

[ShaggyDan]

Well, obviously Sax lied about his role, making Shaggy's claim unlikely to be true either.

vote ShaggyDan

You're mighty quick to jump to conclusions. Might I remind you that I was the one that got the Edocsil bandwagon back on track when people were ready to stop voting for him. Also if you look at the scene it is possible Toby was telling the truth about his role:

The town noticed the small boy who had been running errands for the demon barber. Although the young lad hadn't known it, he had been secretly helping in the mass murder of many civilians. When he was arrested, the boy pleaded his innocence. He knew nothing about the barber or Mrs. Lovett's pies. However, Judge Turpin still gave him the guilty result and had him lynched.

Thesaxlad - Tobias Ragg (innocent mafia goon) has been lynched!

The line states he knew nothing. What exactly is an 'innocent mafia goon'? The text is red, so obviously we did a good thing by lynching him. But I still think it's entirely possible that 'innocent mafia goon' means that he can't talk or decide with the others until Pirelli dies.

So let's look at where we are now:

ShaggyDan - Pirelli - Miller
SafariGuy - Turpin - Hated Cop

Com9 - Johanna - Lover
Naxus - Anthony - Lover

Violet - Priest - VT
Haggis - Lawyer - VT
Jonty - Actor - VT

I think the lovers are cleared, I can't believe that there would be a 4 person mafia. I have a case I want to make but I'll let some people get their thoughts in for the start of day.

Also Saf, do you have a report from last night?

[safariguy5]

Well, obviously Sax lied about his role, making Shaggy's claim unlikely to be true either.

vote ShaggyDan

You're mighty quick to jump to conclusions. Might I remind you that I was the one that got the Edocsil bandwagon back on track when people were ready to stop voting for him. Also if you look at the scene it is possible Toby was telling the truth about his role:

The town noticed the small boy who had been running errands for the demon barber. Although the young lad hadn't known it, he had been secretly helping in the mass murder of many civilians. When he was arrested, the boy pleaded his innocence. He knew nothing about the barber or Mrs. Lovett's pies. However, Judge Turpin still gave him the guilty result and had him lynched.

Thesaxlad - Tobias Ragg (innocent mafia goon) has been lynched!

The line states he knew nothing. What exactly is an 'innocent mafia goon'? The text is red, so obviously we did a good thing by lynching him. But I still think it's entirely possible that 'innocent mafia goon' means that he can't talk or decide with the others until Pirelli dies.

So let's look at where we are now:

ShaggyDan - Pirelli - Miller
SafariGuy - Turpin - Hated Cop

Com9 - Johanna - Lover
Naxus - Anthony - Lover

Violet - Priest - VT
Haggis - Lawyer - VT
Jonty - Actor - VT

I think the lovers are cleared, I can't believe that there would be a 4 person mafia. I have a case I want to make but I'll let some people get their thoughts in for the start of day.

Also Saf, do you have a report from last night?

I didn't get any pm from Mr. Squirrel, so I don't know as of yet.

However, this contradicts what Sax said. He said that if Pirelli died, then he would have become mafia. That means that he should have shown up as town on the death list. And you claiming miller basically provides and umbrella defense against any investigation. I don't see how Pirelli would be a miller role anyways. And that was Haggis who got the edocsil wagon on track which is why I trust his VT claim more than the others. 3 VT's isn't unreasonable in an 11 man game.