Dazza's 1st Mafia - Mafia Win

[dazza2008]

Vote Count

codierose(1) - catnipdreams
pershy(1) - Djfireside
catnipdreams(5) - MoB Deadly, codierose, pershy, soundman, tenbar, Nebuchadnezer Lynch

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Scene coming now.

[dazza2008]

Day 2 Scene

It was a busy day. Catnipdreams had pressure from all of the town. The rope was round her neck. She said stop, wait I can help the town here. Only 25% chance of hurting you guys.

Some did not like maths much.

In the end Nebuchadnezer kicked the stool away and Catnipdreams hung there from the tree as the others returned to their homes for some sleep.

Catnipdreams Town Skitzo has been lynched.

Deadline: 15th Feb 11am GMT

[dazza2008]

Night 2 Scene

Ragian got off the bus. He looked around confused. "Where the hell am I?" he thought. Oh well he headed into the house.

Suddenly the door burst open. Ragian tried to stop the killer but it was too late.

The killer fired a single shot right between his eyes.

Ragian Mafia Framer has been killed.

It is now day 3. With 9 alive it take 5 to lynch.

[Ragian]

Ahr nuts... GO MAFIA!!!

[codierose]

cool a framer that explains alot but how did he die does it mean we have a third party killer
im guessing they tried to kill me and they got blocked hence no night kill
my investigation gave another guilty result im having a problem with this mafia would prefer to keep me alive to frame someone would they not
or am i a paranoid cop always getting a guilty result
or is my guilty result actually a guilty result aaaah confused
do we need the protection role to come forward and say i got protected or whom they protected
so with 9 left
1 third party
1 cop
1 protection
possibly still 2 scum
leaves 4
is there another cop a sane one if so they need to come forward say who they investigated

[Iron Butterfly]

cool a framer that explains alot but how did he die does it mean we have a third party killer
im guessing they tried to kill me and they got blocked hence no night kill
my investigation gave another guilty result im having a problem with this mafia would prefer to keep me alive to frame someone would they not
or am i a paranoid cop always getting a guilty result
or is my guilty result actually a guilty result aaaah confused
do we need the protection role to come forward and say i got protected or whom they protected
so with 9 left
1 third party
1 cop
1 protection
possibly still 2 scum
leaves 4
is there another cop a sane one if so they need to come forward say who they investigated

Well we already got one third party and that was wild william. A serial killer will usae a knife, 99% of the time. I suspect we have a vig or Joat for Town. I can not think of a scenario better suited for a framer then the one created when Cat hammered.

I dont understand your sentence,

"my investigation gave another guilty result im having a problem with this mafia would prefer to keep me alive to frame someone would they not."

Your saying you have another guilty result. What problem are you havving with the mafia result? You think mafia is keeping you alive to confuse Town?

[codierose]

cool a framer that explains alot but how did he die does it mean we have a third party killer
im guessing they tried to kill me and they got blocked hence no night kill
my investigation gave another guilty result im having a problem with this mafia would prefer to keep me alive to frame someone would they not
or am i a paranoid cop always getting a guilty result
or is my guilty result actually a guilty result aaaah confused
do we need the protection role to come forward and say i got protected or whom they protected
so with 9 left
1 third party
1 cop
1 protection
possibly still 2 scum
leaves 4
is there another cop a sane one if so they need to come forward say who they investigated

Well we already got one third party and that was wild william. A serial killer will usae a knife, 99% of the time. I suspect we have a vig or Joat for Town. I can not think of a scenario better suited for a framer then the one created when Cat hammered.

I dont understand your sentence,

"my investigation gave another guilty result im having a problem with this mafia would prefer to keep me alive to frame someone would they not."

Your saying you have another guilty result. What problem are you having with the mafia result? You think mafia is keeping you alive to confuse Town?

yes possibly or im just a paranoid cop would the mean we have a second cop to balance the game ??
did cat kill ragian ??

[Djfireside]

I believe in night actions if you are targeted to be killed that your action doesnt happen. So with the framer dead, that would theorectically make no frame available which leads to either you are right in your reveal or get reversed results. I would believe that you are getting true results because based on what I said, any good framer would have targetted the hammer so that would explain it. You are still on the hook since Cat died so I guess we could review who you got details on since you already stated your role and are out in the open. Since your inital result came up negative, you are still suspect but at this point you appear to thus far be clean by logic.

As for what occured, I almost have to believe it was a busdrive.

[codierose]

oh so we have a bus driver cool
i investigated IB result GUILTY
explain IB

[pershy]

why a bus drive DJ? Not sure why you came to that conclusion.

@Codi - it is now confirmed we have a framer!!! Which probably accounts for your guilty result on Cat. To have a framer AND paranoid cop doesn't make any sense - unless there's another true cop out there - however no one countered your cop claim so I don't think there is another cop although there may be a back up.

Meaning I believe u r a true cop and I think you should share your guilty result....when you feel it is appropriate. No need to share just yet. Let's see what everyone has to say first.

As for Ragian's death - I think a town vig is the logical conclusion. Someone who didn't wanna kill on N1 because they were frightened of killing a townie. There are likely to be many other probable explanations, but that is what occurs to me at the moment.

[pershy]

fastposted by Codi - ok so we have a guilty result on the table already. This should be interesting. IB was one of the more aggresive players in my eye and wasn't sure about him.

[pershy]

Although I thought he was hinting at being the doc.
Well the framer is out of the picture now so codi's result could be a true one. Unless he got a frame in first or codi is paranoid which I doubt now.
Let's start applying pressure at the very least.
vote Iron Butterfly

[codierose]

what made you think he was the doc
i thought he was more like a watcher he was so sure cat was town in fact convinced makes me think he knew info we didn't
im note voting yet not 100% convinced

[Iron Butterfly]

We have one of three scenarios with Cod.

1)He is really guilty.

2) He is a paranoid cop

3) I am guilty.

I beleived 100% that Cat was innocent and even stated that if she turned up mafia you could lynch me. I also reduded to mvote her for that reason. Ned One can argue that I was mafia trying to look town if one wants BUT I suggested that we have a framer as well. the last thing mafia would want to do is draw attention to the fact we have a framer.

From my perspective Cod is now useless to town as either option one or two apply.

Pershey is extremely scummy in my eyes now for a variaty of reasons. If you noticed, when Neb made his Ultimatum of how anyone who keeps their vote on Cod should be considered mafia I kept my vote out of principle and refused to vote Cat. Pershy was the first to remove his vote and also the first to vote me, without even discussing the various possibilities.

To be honest I expected that this scenario was going to occur. The good news is we have a third party and mafia down and we did not lose a Town last night.

[Iron Butterfly]

We have one of three scenarios with Cod.

1)He is really guilty.

2) He is a paranoid cop

3) I am guilty.

I beleived 100% that Cat was innocent and even stated that if she turned up mafia you could lynch me. I also refused to vote her for that reason. One can argue that I was mafia trying to look town if one wants BUT I suggested that we have a framer as well. the last thing mafia would want to do is draw attention to the fact we have a framer.

From my perspective Cod is now useless to town as either option one or two apply.

Pershey is extremely scummy in my eyes now for a variety of reasons. If you noticed, when Neb made his Ultimatum of how anyone who keeps their vote on Cod should be considered mafia I kept my vote out of principle and refused to vote Cat. Pershy was the first to remove his vote and also the first to vote me, without even discussing the various possibilities.

To be honest I expected that this scenario was going to occur. The good news is we have a third party and mafia down and we did not lose a Town last night.

I reposted due to typing errors. *grin* I wouldnt want anyone confused as to whats going on.

[Djfireside]

why a bus drive DJ? Not sure why you came to that conclusion.

@Codi - it is now confirmed we have a framer!!! Which probably accounts for your guilty result on Cat. To have a framer AND paranoid cop doesn't make any sense - unless there's another true cop out there - however no one countered your cop claim so I don't think there is another cop although there may be a back up.

Meaning I believe u r a true cop and I think you should share your guilty result....when you feel it is appropriate. No need to share just yet. Let's see what everyone has to say first.

As for Ragian's death - I think a town vig is the logical conclusion. Someone who didn't wanna kill on N1 because they were frightened of killing a townie. There are likely to be many other probable explanations, but that is what occurs to me at the moment.

Ragians death can not be Town Vig since the town vig is dead and the poisoner is dead so unless there is a third party vig and mafia stayed quiet or were roleblocked, the only other option on this is a busdrive. Mafia went for a kill and it got routed.

I cant find much other explination

[codierose]

2) He is a paranoid cop

if thats the case my role is pointless only if i get guilty results thats not always the case with paranoid cops.
also to balance the game there would be a second investigation role if thats the case they need to come forward now if they dont im going with the fact im a normal cop and my result on IB is true

[Iron Butterfly]

2) He is a paranoid cop

if thats the case my role is pointless only if i get guilty results thats not always the case with paranoid cops.
also to balance the game there would be a second investigation role if thats the case they need to come forward now if they dont im going with the fact im a normal cop and my result on IB is true

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Cop#Sanities

Paranoid cops always get guilty results. Either your lieing or you dont know what your speaking about.

[codierose]

your correct i dont have a clue what im on about but then again i could be Insane Cop.
all i know i was told im a cop what type dont know i would hope im just a sane cop which means YOUR GUILTY still not defended yourself to the claim only tried to turn the claim against me
why is this

[Iron Butterfly]

your correct i dont have a clue what im on about but then again i could be Insane Cop.
all i know i was told im a cop what type dont know i would hope im just a sane cop which means YOUR GUILTY still not defended yourself to the claim only tried to turn the claim against me
why is this

My actions during this game are the only defense I have. It is impossible to prove I am Not Mafia. One will only know what I am after my death.

The argument was first put apon you for your initial response to Cat. She also was able to present a case that out weighed yours by a long shot. the initial case was brought apon you because of your actions. I am just playing the game by taking what I beleive is suspect behavior.

The only thing that has kept you alive is this incredible chain of "coincidences" started by Edocil who put an SOF on Cat, which you immediatley jumped on because you say you had a guilty verdict. Not only did you get a guilty verdict BUT a mafia framer is killed at night.

One could also argue the Framer targeted me before he was killed. I was Cats number one defender, and have been an agressive scum hunter. As I write this post it occured to me that I could have been framed, so that adds a 4th scenario. we would need to know how night actions sequence to see how valid that would be.

[dazza2008]

The sequence I use for night actions is in the rules.

[codierose]

do night actions still count when your killed i dont know
did cat use her power ?
did ragain use his power ? if so why would he want to frame you IB i didn't show any inclination that i would investigate you

[Djfireside]

Judging by what was stated in the rules, the Framer could have gotten one more off before they died as kills are listed last in the order of procession.

[Djfireside]

Im going to go off on my thoughts here. It appears that really just a few of us are fighting amongst ourselves. Based on logic I think that you both could very well be innocent and i think this point is a dead end based on logic. Now that the framer is dead Im willing to give codie a pass to see what happens, IB makes a point that he could have gotten caught in the whirlwind like Cat. I think im going to table the two of you for the time being and move back to older points as I think most of the mafia is submarining just letting us go at each other so time to stir up the waters.

[Iron Butterfly]

Im going to go off on my thoughts here. It appears that really just a few of us are fighting amongst ourselves. Based on logic I think that you both could very well be innocent and i think this point is a dead end based on logic. Now that the framer is dead Im willing to give codie a pass to see what happens, IB makes a point that he could have gotten caught in the whirlwind like Cat. I think im going to table the two of you for the time being and move back to older points as I think most of the mafia is submarining just letting us go at each other so time to stir up the waters.

I agree. One of my favorite quotes when reading up on mafia strategy is, " Most times Mafia can stand back and watch Town eat themselves alive."

If I had to pick someone to pressure it would be Pershy.