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[StorrZerg]

Games are all within a year. GoN members can back a few more.

Tnc has played 3 games with me, I was town in all.

[got tonkaed]

But in regards to whether or not you feel like claiming vig is a townie move day 1?

[Epitaph1]

VOTE COUNT

BGtheBrain - virus90
degaston - Strikewolf, HotShot
StorrZerg - dakky, madmitch, BGtheBrain, dazza
mtamburini - sempai, Endgame, got tonkaed
Ragian - mtamburini, dd
sempai - Storr, Streaker
IronButterfly - degaston
skillful - charm
no lynch - Pixar

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Skillful said he would miss the beginning of the game. He should be back soon.

[BGtheBrain]

*****

[StorrZerg]

But in regards to whether or not you feel like claiming vig is a townie move day 1?

1 less person a cop needs to check
gives town a semi confirmed to lean on
can help lead town
mafia never claim it, far to risky to just get counter claimed. (Specially a game this size)

works much better with people that can be vocal, and push town in a direction.

[Epitaph1]

MOD NOTE

Talapus has replaced dakky.

[*Pixar*]

I guess you are right about a lynch on Day1 wouldnt be a big deal. I forgot there are 24 people in this game lol. I guess the real question is who? storr or Mtam.

why is everyone going against the TNC clan??? Get your votes off storr and Ragian right now! I'm never in favor of voting for someone with no evidence to work off of. tThere aint no way anyone will get 13 votes on Day1 so with that said...

Vote No Lynch

Sounds like Pixar is throwing in the towel and suiciding....

Please seek a replacement if you dont want to play, its not fair the the other 23 who are trying to put in the effort to keep up.

Hey now I know damn well there's more than just me that is quiet. I've only seen like a regular 5 post every day

[jbfloyd]

vote Sempai

As pointed out, there is an incongruity in his posts regarding the voting of mtam. Now, I can sympathize if it's an honest mistake because of the size of the game. But even a small slip is usually sufficient for D1.

Storr's frequent posts which are, annoyingly, always in character (death-eaters instead of scum, students instead of town, spells instead of power... you're making it hard to follow, man.) make it harder to read. I'm struggling with what's the best level of participation in game like this. Too much, and everything's fog letting players hide in shadows.

I 100% agree with streaker about narrowing choices down. Otherwise, we just give up like Pixar has done already. (Don't expect this to be like our forum games, Pix.) Streaker has some town cred from me for that and his building of a case against sempai and just sort of using quality logic all around.

BG has tunnel vision, which might be a coping tactic for a game this size. FOS him for pursuing the easiest acceptable strategy and not digging deeper.

fp'd a few times. Thrice by zergie. None has any bearing on this post.

[BGtheBrain]

*****

[degaston]

I thought I had seen a message that he was on vacation, but maybe I was thinking of aage.

I had said I could play from May 6th onwards. It's May 7th now.

Skillful said he would miss the beginning of the game. He should be back soon.

This is what I was talking about. I think it used to be in a post that Epitaph must have removed.

[sempaispellcheck]

I never said I found Storr scummy, and I'm not even really sure I'd call him annoying - just distracting, is all.
I was suspicious of Storr early, and then Storr was all "I said mtam is scum, you should care about that", and I was all "well then, let's see if mtam is scum, because that will give us a good idea of how much Storr can be trusted."
Then mtam came out yelling and screaming and threatening, and I was all "yeah, I REALLY don't think we need that guy."
And now all of a sudden they both seem to be pretending nothing happened, and hoping it all blows over? I'm sorry, but that's fishy, so I think one of them should go - and I'd rather it be mtam, as Storr could potentially be helpful.

I said I'd be inclined to trust BG - I didn't say I trust him. That inclination was based on what happened in another game.
When I made that post, I hadn't really gotten a read on him yet (I'm still new to the whole "reading people" thing).
That said, BG does read town to me (as to Ragian) - I think he still feels the way I felt early on: that Storr is a distraction and the sooner we get rid of him, the better. I don't know if he doesn't see the value in pressuring mtam for info on Storr or if he just doesn't want to budge.

If I was contradicting myself, it's because I was confused (new, large game,...) - and my chronological error earlier didn't help matters.
Now that I've gone back through the thread and gotten everything sorted, I can be a bit more clear, I think - and I'll make sure to double-check before I post.

sempai

[sempaispellcheck]

why is everyone going against the TNC clan??? Get your votes off storr and Ragian right now! I'm never in favor of voting for someone with no evidence to work off of. tThere aint no way anyone will get 13 votes on Day1 so with that said...

Vote No Lynch

First off, why are you bringing clan connections into this?
Secondly, we may not have much in the way of solid evidence, but we've got about 13 pages of discussion to work off of, including some quality reads.
Or have you just been skimming?
FOS Pixar

sempai

[sempaispellcheck]

Also, has anyone noticed how Storr is accusing BG of getting distracted and not looking for scum, and did the same to me when I voted for him?
Smells to me like he's intentionally distracting people just so he can call them out for getting distracted - laying traps just to see who falls into them?
I fell into his trap because I'm new, and BG fell in just because of his dislike for Storr's playstyle.

As far as I can tell, the only possible scum Storr's pointed out is mtam - and mtam drew enough attention to himself.
I still think mtam needs to go, but I'm not so sure I trust Storr anymore.

sempai

[got tonkaed]

Epitaph - could we maybe get some prods? I feel like 7 people not having a vote out there at this point is probably not so great.

Also does Talapus's vote carry over as Dakky's? Im sure they will pop in here soon, but just want to make sure as long as we only have 2/3rds of the game voting that we know where everything sits.

[degaston]

virus vote on BG kinda wasted, so is degaston's vote on IB and charm's vote on sniper.

I'm not voting for IB to get him lynched - just to get him into the conversation. I expect I'll vote for several others before the day is done. If someone is not contributing, then it's impossible to get a read on them. And there's nothing to go back over to check for inconsistencies or patterns on subsequent days when you start to know more.

The cases that have the most content to them (in my opinion) are Storr, degaston, Raigan, Mtamb and Sempai.
I believe it would be best if we could focus our votes to this 'short list', in order to actually build some decent pressure.
Not saying I believe in all these cases, but I can understand those all.

I'm saying this because it's a big f*cking game, and I think we should narrow our search for information down to a few for now. We are just not getting anywhere at this pace.

Apologies if I'm being a bit pushy, but I'm just thinking out loud here.

I have no idea what is typical around here, but in my first game, day 1 lasted over two weeks, and that was only 9 people. It seems a little early to try to narrow it down when several people haven't said much or voted for anyone.

As for Storr, my current opinion is that he probably is what he says he is, (because I can understand the logic of claiming early if you have a role that no one will believe later) which would mean that his main motivation is getting anyone but himself lynched or NK'ed. So I don't trust his accusations, but I think that there should be a better target for a D1 lynch if pressure is applied to more people. I'm not ready to give an opinion on anyone else yet.

[skillfusniper33]

Sorry for being away for the start, but I was out of internet access for a week while I helped my sister out.

I will be completely caught up tonight, but am about halfway though page 11 of the thread.

[strike wolf]

Mtamb is a bull like me, we like to make our spells do work when we can. He plays different. death eater storr/tambo don't showboat mafia power. Students tambo / storr showboat power when we can.

When I'm a student I always claim as soon as I can, in a way that can benifit the game. When. I'm a death eater, I always delay my claim till it fits perfectly, or never claim and suddenly win. check all my games here, it is fairly consistent. I've never claimed day 1 as mafia.

Dont really recall you claiming a bunch day 1 as town either.

[strike wolf]

why is everyone going against the TNC clan??? Get your votes off storr and Ragian right now! I'm never in favor of voting for someone with no evidence to work off of. tThere aint no way anyone will get 13 votes on Day1 so with that said...

Vote No Lynch

Well we wouldnt with this kind of attitude.

[strike wolf]

As far as Storr/Mtam, I am not inclined to vote either of them. Hell Id rather vote pixar just because he irritated me with that no lynch vote. Truth of the matter. Mtam in particular is most likely town. I dont agree with him claiming. There are other things to consider beyond the impact of whether a claim is believable before claiming. But I do think he is town right now. As far as Storr. Ive never really liked voting someone because they claimed 3rd party.

[Streaker]

strike wolf you still stand behind your vote on degaston? You think it is surving a good purpose there?

[Epitaph1]

VOTE COUNT

BGtheBrain - virus90
degaston - Strikewolf, HotShot
StorrZerg - madmitch, BGtheBrain, dazza
mtamburini - sempai, Endgame, got tonkaed
Ragian - mtamburini, dd
sempai - Storr, Streaker, floyd
IronButterfly - degaston
skillful - charm
no lynch - Pixar

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Epitaph - could we maybe get some prods? I feel like 7 people not having a vote out there at this point is probably not so great.

Also does Talapus's vote carry over as Dakky's? Im sure they will pop in here soon, but just want to make sure as long as we only have 2/3rds of the game voting that we know where everything sits.

dakky's vote has been removed.

I'll prod IB now and reassess activity tomorrow before I prod anyone else.

[sempaispellcheck]

Mtam in particular is most likely town.

What makes you say that?

sempai

[strike wolf]

strike wolf you still stand behind your vote on degaston? You think it is surving a good purpose there?

I might move my vote at some point I want to revisit my Degaston case when I have better access to a computer but if I do it is more likely to be moved onto someone voting Storr or Mtam than Tam or Storr.

[aage]

It's hilarious how people claim Storr and Mtam are 'distracting' us from relevant discussion when they are the guys responsible almost all the relevant discussion.

I am willing to trust Storr because we can lynch him any time we want, if he misleads the town or refuses to give information. As he is a claimed survivor, he has to spill all his beans because he loses instantly when we lynch him.
I think Mtam is town, but I'm not gonna discuss him.

why is everyone going against the TNC clan??? Get your votes off storr and Ragian right now! I'm never in favor of voting for someone with no evidence to work off of. tThere aint no way anyone will get 13 votes on Day1 so with that said...

Vote No Lynch

I see you're content to wait until a few townies die during the night. That's always productive.


I agree with Streaker that it's best to keep ourselves to a shortlist for the day one pressure and lynch. There are way too many people and it'd be impossible to keep track of ten discussions at once. As a large town we have to be organised before good cases get drowned in the sea that is this topic. I would suggest to remove Mtam (and possibly Storr if he behaves) from that list for now, though.

Fastposted by four

[aage]

strike wolf you still stand behind your vote on degaston? You think it is surving a good purpose there?

I might move my vote at some point I want to revisit my Degaston case when I have better access to a computer but if I do it is more likely to be moved onto someone voting Storr or Mtam than Tam or Storr.

I'll have to reread to find what merit there was in the Degaston case but as I said in the above post I agree concerning Storr/Mtam