****Fantasy Land Invasion**** -- Town Squashed the Invasion

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:29 am

let's get this done then.... VOTE MOZ!

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:06 am

Well, if you told me how he was verified.. I think haydena looks trickiest of all.

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:25 am

We need a decision by tomorrow night. That's only a day and a half away so I want to make sure that when Phobia and Mach check in we are able to get the votes in right away.

Rev, if you are innocent as you claim to be you will vote for Moz as one of the 4 needed to convict, correct? We'll see....

Vote Moz

And Phobia, I once again will recommend that you not use your power tonight. Save it, because if you are still alive and there are any twists left ahead it could be very useful.

Haydena · Post by **Haydena** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:27 am

Well I think that sully here is telling the truth, he looks to be telling the truth about finding the truth about Moz... I think that it's pretty much established that Mach is a townie, Moz is mafia, sully is the Cop and Phobia has a 50% chance of killing someone at night. Rev looks suspicious to me also, but then there is also wicked, after reading that PM fiasco she looks incredibly suspicious...

So I suppose let's do this...

Vote Moz

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:44 am

reverend_kyle wrote:Well, if you told me how he was verified.. I think haydena looks trickiest of all.

He DID tell you RK, he's the cop! LOL you're only making yourself look more guilty with every post.

I've told everything I know, so if/when the mafia kill me, rest assured I (and Mach for me) have left it all out there.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:50 am

I'm not sure how the PM's make me look suspicious. This was the first time I've played any mafia game, and when I got my "hint", I assumed everyone did, so I was eager to share whatever both Mach and I knew. I also assumed I could trust Mach right off the bat, so was very open with him. Only after our little miscommunciation, and seeing Andy's first twist in the game (with Firey's role), did it slowly dawn on me that Mach may be suspicious. I hope this explains any "weirdness" to the PM's.

Phobia · Post by **Phobia** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:41 am

whoa, lots of talking while i wasnt here!

atm, i want to use my power at night because i fear they would kill me anyway and it would go to waste. but they might also kill sully for providing this vital infomation

moz is hardly defending himself. so, i am going to lynch moz

i will save my power tonight, but if your wrong about moz i will use it against somebody

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:50 am

Come on Andy... string him up!

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:08 pm

If moz is not mafia, then phobia, use your power on Sully!

He could easily be throwing us for a loop if he is mafia because he would know who is the mafia, so;
he would know that I am a townie
he would know that moz is not mafia
Anyone could say that they investigated a person because everyone knows what they ended up being.

SULLY could very easily be mafia!

Even if moz is mafia, he could be selling moz out, to gain our trust.

We have a stick situation

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:39 pm

Mach, I realize all of that as well. Right now I'd be in the perfect place as a member of the mafia, having just convinced you all to kill off one of your own once again.

There are two easy ways to prove that I am not mafia- Killing moz and killing me. The reason I originally wanted to kill Pilate instead of Moz (even though I already knew that Moz was guilty) is because I could use that known guilt basically as a ransom to keep me alive for another day. If we had killed Moz that night I never would have been able to prove your innocence and we wouldn't have gotten to this point.

It doesn't matter any more though. We have 4 votes which means they cannot be rescinded any more. You will see that I have not been lying to anyone, and I fight for good

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:43 pm

Machiavelli wrote:Even if moz is mafia, he could be selling moz out, to gain our trust.

We have a stick situation

That's true too! Man, I hadn't actually thought about that one. So if the mafia kills me that's the only way you'll know for sure. Perhaps then I won't die tonight, because you will all be suspicious of me and the inner fighting will begin again.

I guess we'll have to wait and see...

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:13 pm

Sully, you would be more believable if you told us who you were going to investigate tonight. Otherwise you could just say that you investigated whoever died.

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:17 pm

I don't want to name the person I'm going to investigate though...because if they ARE innocent, and the mafia kills them then I gain nothing.

Besides it doesn't matter who I say I'm going to investigate. Because if I was mafia I'd already know what that person's allegiance is, as you pointed out before.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:18 pm

Since we're almost positive RK and/or Haydena are mafia, investigate me so you can be 100% sure I'm pro-town. That'll make discussions going forward easier so I won't have to continually trying to prove my innocence.

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:28 pm

I don't think it matters who I investigate as long as the mafia don't know about it. Whatever info I receive will be helpful.

That leaves the mafia in quite a pickle though. They won't want to leave me alive because I'll gain info that might be able to change the game if we are currently wrong. But if they leave me alive Mach will continue to be suspicious of me and they might be able to save themselves.

I wonder what happens if Phobia and a mafia member are the last two left alive going into the last night. Phobia uses his power to kill the mafia, the mafia kills Phobia. Assuming Andy's coin landed on heads (lol) and Phobia succeeds in his kill, then both kills would be successful (as Andy said earlier). So the game finishes with no one left alive.

I'm assuming the win conditions for both sides say you need to eliminate the other side. Which means everyone would have won! What a happy ending to a very violent game

Of course if the coin landed on tails, lets say, then Phobia would die twice in the same night. Ouch!

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:31 pm

Also, I was giving some thought to this "Illusionist" wicked spoke of. What if we're the game finishes and as a final twist Andy himself is the illusionist? Or something else tricky like that? I'm just stating that now because if it happens I'll feel like a genius.

Haydena · Post by **Haydena** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:32 pm

sully800 wrote:You will see that I have not been lying to anyone, and I fight for good

But we don't know that... because as Mach said you could be selling Moz out and covering your own arse because Mach thinks that Rev and I are with him...

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:33 pm

yeah i've been wondering that myself... guess we'll see at the end since no one will own up to that now!

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:35 pm

(last post was in response to sully)

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:37 pm

Haydena wrote:
sully800 wrote:You will see that I have not been lying to anyone, and I fight for good
But we don't know that... because as Mach said you could be selling Moz out and covering your own arse because Mach thinks that Rev and I are with him...

See what you started Mach? Now the members of the mafia are beginning to back your thoughts of me trying to play you guys like a fiddle.

Keep in mind that it was you who came to the conclusion that Haydena Rev and Moz were the mafia, before I got back this weekend. This is a game where I like the trust my first instinct (which is why I investigated Moz, because Iceman's suspicions rang true to me as well). If you've ever had to make a leap of faith in mafia and trust someone do it now and trust me. I'm a man of my word, and I promise you won't regret it.

You've never lost a game of mafia you said earlier? Well then I'm glad you're on my side, and I agree that now is no time to start losing.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:39 pm

I've come to realize Mach is truly a great mafia player; I think he was just thinking of every angle. Either that, or trying to see who would go along with it.

Phobia · Post by **Phobia** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:39 pm

technically, mach has lost a game of mafia now. fighter's game has finished and the townies lost

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:40 pm

yeah but that game looked pathetic... I'm an Andy groupie now.

Phobia · Post by **Phobia** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:42 pm

the game was pathetic. i predicted haydena and pilate were mafia, so hay and pilate turned against me, and everyone followed like sheep

i turned out to be right

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:45 pm

Yeah I was just going to post that when I looked at the other thread, lol.

And I understand that Mach is a good player, and that's why he's not blindly following everything I say. I respect his suspicion of me, just as I am suspicious of everyone remaining EXCEPT for him. I still think that Phobia or wicked could be pulling a huge masquerade and duping us this entire time. However, what I've come to realize is its most likely too late for us if thats the case. At least we'd lose after killing Moz

Oh and Moz: I think you're a great player as well. It was really hard for me the last two days, knowing that you were mafia and reading your lies and spins while trying to get back on everyone's good side. I wanted to call you out many times, and for that I say 'Well done, sir'.

I'm tired of secrets and me not wanting to say all of my thoughts regarding this game. I'm being completely open, and I hope all other townies are doing the same!