Obama's rating: Strong. But Average. And Way Divided.

[Simon Viavant]

All Biden said in the debate is that he didn't think they should force gay marriage as in the traditional ceremonial marriage in the church etc. and that that should be up to the states. He did support equal rights/marriage advantages for homosexual couples.

[Snorri1234]

All Biden said in the debate is that he didn't think they should force gay marriage as in the traditional ceremonial marriage in the church etc. and that that should be up to the states. He did support equal rights/marriage advantages for homosexual couples.

indeed. He just said that he doesn't think it is up to the goverment but to the states.

[Juan_Bottom]

http://news.aol.com/article/feds-bust-s ... 1200718337

A little bit more information about the skinhead plot to kill Obama.

"Both individuals stated they would dress in all-white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt," the court complaint states. "Both individuals further stated they knew they would and were willing to die during this attempt."

[oVo]

I was an economic minor in College and I own a small business. I also know about 25 other small business owners very personally in my weekly networking group and none of them are voting for Obama because they know they will have to lay people off if he does what he says he is going to do for business taxes.(Only a few of them would be considered rich by Obama) I have put a lot on the line for starting my business so I can create jobs for people like you. My Wife’s Aunt also (?) works on Wall Street and said that the Dow is tanking in anticipation of an Obama Presidency. That means they know things will get worse under him and are preparing for it already.

So you're blaming Wall Street's problems on Obama's candidacy ?

It takes an average of $65,000 to bring on a new employee.

You'll have to explain this one a little better. This "new employee's" wage is more than a little vague
or you referring to the self employed?

[...] the current tax breaks to expire in 2010 which is not the whole problem [...] most of the country will see their taxes go up to about 39% [...] and then he will also raise taxes on the other “Evil Rich People” so they are taxed over 50%.

Do you really believe this? . . . and what exactly do you perceive as the whole problem ?

Did you notice from 2000 thru 2006 that Republicans occupied the White House along with Senate/House Majorities and squandered that opportunity to "git 'er dun" for the best interests of the country... and yet John McCain continues to mutter the mantra "Country First" while many citizens ponder, "what have you done for me lately?"

[bedub1]

“Right now the U.S. business tax is the second highest in the world. We will cut that so that we can keep American businesses in America.”

A recent KPMG study shows the combined federal and average state business income tax rate in the U.S. is 40 percent. That is lower than only the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait, where the average is 55 percent and Japan at 41 percent, according to the KPMG study.

The GOP ticket argues Obama will raise taxes on businesses and investors that will hasten offshoring. Palin said in Indiana Saturday that Obama’s tax plans and “redistribution of wealth” would discourage entrepreneurs and small businesses and damage the work ethic.

Obama wants to raise these taxes on the "rich" business's that keep us all employed, because having the 2nd highest tax rate isn't enough....it must be the highest. This will just force more companies to leave the US as it's too expensive to do business here.

[...] the current tax breaks to expire in 2010 which is not the whole problem [...] most of the country will see their taxes go up to about 39% [...] and then he will also raise taxes on the other “Evil Rich People” so they are taxed over 50%.

Do you really believe this? . . . and what exactly do you perceive as the whole problem ?

The problem is taking what doesn't belong to you. Nobody should ever have to give half of what they earn to the government and rest of the country. 25% is even too much.....if you had $100 in your pocket, can I get $25? No...thats too much. Maybe more like 10% I think. If I had $100 then you can all have $10. But $50? Which is 50%? No fucking way. Then you'd only have $50. And if you want to go buy something....there is state sales tax which is usually about 10%. So now the guy that worked his ass off for all his money is left with $40 because the government has taken $60. Thats just not fair. Whats the motivation to work if they instantly take 50-60% of your money?

STOP PUNISHING SUCCESS AND REWARDING FAILURE.

[Dancing Mustard]

"Both individuals stated they would dress in all-white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt"

[/quote]
Whew, I'm just glad that the authorities caught them when they did. These were clearly extremely dangerous and highly trained professionals, with a high chance of succeeding in their endeavours.

"Hey Cletus!"
"Whaddup Billy-Bob?"
"Let's get dressed up all conspicuous like, stand out like sore-thumbs, kill 100 people, then try to kill the 2nd/3rd best protected man on earth with guns we bought at Wal-Mart"
"Sounds good Billy. I don't go seeing no flaws in your plan at all. They'll never see us coming."

[mpjh]

Yeah, and the only reason they got caught is because one of them is an FBI agent.

[Backglass]

So now the guy that worked his ass off for all his money is left with $40 because the government has taken $60 TO PAY FOR THE "WAR" IN IRAQ. Thats just not fair. Whats the motivation to work if they instantly take 50-60% of your money?

There...I fixed it for you.

I heard some staggering statistics today regarding Iraq. The number is estimated to hit One Trillion dollars soon. People can't fathom just how much money that really is, so an author has put together a book of real-world stats to bring it home.

How much have we wasted?

Enough to:

• Pave the entire US Interstate Highway system in 23.5 Karat Gold Leaf.
• Buy every human on the planet earth an Ipod.
• Give every High School student in the United States a free four year college education.
• Double the 663,000 cops in the US for 32 years.
• Buy 16 Million Habitat for Humanity houses...enough for 44 million Americans.

It's a staggering amount of wasted money that could have done monumentally historical deeds for our country.

[bedub1]

So now the guy that worked his ass off for all his money is left with $40 because the government has taken $60 TO PAY FOR THE "WAR" IN IRAQ. Thats just not fair. Whats the motivation to work if they instantly take 50-60% of your money?

There...I fixed it for you.

I heard some staggering statistics today regarding Iraq. The number is estimated to hit One Trillion dollars soon. People can't fathom just how much money that really is, so an author has put together a book of real-world stats to bring it home.

How much have we wasted?

Enough to:

• Pave the entire US Interstate Highway system in 23.5 Karat Gold Leaf.
• Buy every human on the planet earth an Ipod.
• Give every High School student in the United States a free four year college education.
• Double the 663,000 cops in the US for 32 years.
• Buy 16 Million Habitat for Humanity houses...enough for 44 million Americans.

It's a staggering amount of wasted money that could have done monumentally historical deeds for our country.

I agree. And iraq has a massive amount of cash from all the oil they've sold. I wish they could pay for their own war/defense. I wonder if they would pay for it or just ask us to leave? I'm tired of trying to fix the speck in our friends eye when we still need to remove the plank from our own.

[Dancing Mustard]

I heard some staggering statistics today regarding Iraq. The number is estimated to hit One Trillion dollars soon. People can't fathom just how much money that really is, so an author has put together a book of real-world stats to bring it home.

In a similar vein, I find it staggering that several of the posters on here seem to just dismiss that figure spent on killing imaginary terrorists as fine, but have physically cried their eyes out over the (small by comparison) bailout designed to save their entire economy.

[mpjh]

They are revealed for the fascist they are by this turn of events, welfare to business and bombs on civilians. They make the Nazi bombing of Guernica look like a walk in the part.

[bedub1]

I heard some staggering statistics today regarding Iraq. The number is estimated to hit One Trillion dollars soon. People can't fathom just how much money that really is, so an author has put together a book of real-world stats to bring it home.

In a similar vein, I find it staggering that several of the posters on here seem to just dismiss that figure spent on killing imaginary terrorists as fine, but have physically cried their eyes out over the (small by comparison) bailout designed to save their entire economy.

imaginary terrorists? do you believe the planes that hit the towers was actually a government conspiracy?

[Snorri1234]

So now the guy that worked his ass off for all his money is left with $40 because the government has taken $60 TO PAY FOR THE "WAR" IN IRAQ. Thats just not fair. Whats the motivation to work if they instantly take 50-60% of your money?

There...I fixed it for you.

I heard some staggering statistics today regarding Iraq. The number is estimated to hit One Trillion dollars soon. People can't fathom just how much money that really is, so an author has put together a book of real-world stats to bring it home.

How much have we wasted?

Enough to:

• Pave the entire US Interstate Highway system in 23.5 Karat Gold Leaf.
• Buy every human on the planet earth an Ipod.
• Give every High School student in the United States a free four year college education.
• Double the 663,000 cops in the US for 32 years.
• Buy 16 Million Habitat for Humanity houses...enough for 44 million Americans.

It's a staggering amount of wasted money that could have done monumentally historical deeds for our country.

It is indeed saddening. You could've solved a lot of problems in your own country and others, but nooooo it had to be spend on kicking out some little dictator.

[Snorri1234]

I heard some staggering statistics today regarding Iraq. The number is estimated to hit One Trillion dollars soon. People can't fathom just how much money that really is, so an author has put together a book of real-world stats to bring it home.

In a similar vein, I find it staggering that several of the posters on here seem to just dismiss that figure spent on killing imaginary terrorists as fine, but have physically cried their eyes out over the (small by comparison) bailout designed to save their entire economy.

imaginary terrorists? do you believe the planes that hit the towers was actually a government conspiracy?

Nope. However, they fucking died so chasing them down wasn't much of an effort.

[bedub1]

i remember reading back in gradeschool about how in ancient roman times they used to throw their shit out the window into the street. I remember thinking I'm glad for indoor plumbing and especially civilization/progress. Then I heard that the people in iraq STILL throw their shit out the window, over 1000 years later....that children play in the sewage all day long and get sick. I've got photos a friend took when she was there as an engineer. Her job was to create a sewage system. Who gives a f*ck why we went in there, thats the past and we can't change it...we are there though and need to help those people out and can't just abandon them in their time of need.

[mpjh]

Get real, Baghdad had a modern, working sewage system before we bombed the shit into the streets. You, sir, are a racist jerk, but one of many that form the base of the fake patriotic movement that is making us enemies all across the world. You want to help Iraq, help get us out.

[heavycola]

Who gives a f*ck why we went in there

Who indeed. Go back to watching american gladiators on your massive TV.

[Snorri1234]

i remember reading back in gradeschool about how in ancient roman times they used to throw their shit out the window into the street. I remember thinking I'm glad for indoor plumbing and especially civilization/progress. Then I heard that the people in iraq STILL throw their shit out the window, over 1000 years later....that children play in the sewage all day long and get sick. I've got photos a friend took when she was there as an engineer. Her job was to create a sewage system. Who gives a f*ck why we went in there, thats the past and we can't change it...we are there though and need to help those people out and can't just abandon them in their time of need.

But the problem is that you're just meddling in a civil war now. Instead of giving the iraqi people indoor plumbing, good hospitals and schools you're busy most of the time with killing people who want to kick you out of their land. You can't shape this war into a humanitarian mission anymore.

You want to help Iraq, help get us out.

Very much. The only way to solve this is by just getting out and letting them decide for themselves what to do. They really don't like you.

[bedub1]

Get real, Baghdad had a modern, working sewage system before we bombed the shit into the streets. You, sir, are a racist jerk, but one of many that form the base of the fake patriotic movement that is making us enemies all across the world. You want to help Iraq, help get us out.

Baghdad. That would be like saying "all of america throws their shit out the window but LA has a working sewage system that drains straight into the pacific ocean".

I am not a racist jerk...race and color of your skin means nothing to me. Regardless of who you are...you shouldn't be forced to live in squalor and filth by a cruel dictator.

How does leaving iraq help iraq? Do you realize the first thing that will happen is Iran will move in? I'm all for letting them decide what they want for themselves. The problem is 99% of the people are good...and the other 1% is terrorizing them and controlling them with fear. We need to help the 99%...not the 1%. The 1% gets all the attention, while the 99% hides in their houses and doesn't show their faces.

Stop living in the past, with your 20-20 hindsights. You are probably right...we shouldn't ever gone in there in the first place. But guess what...we did. And now we have to deal with it. Have you ever gone and actually asked an Iraqi if they want us there?

Why are we talking about Iraq? You claim it's a waste of money and we should get out? I claim social security is a waste of money and we should end it. Guess what...both of these are welfare programs..and neither of us wants to contribute money to either of them. The claims we went there for the oil and money...if we did...why don't we have either of them? Why do they have all the money? Lets let them pay for it, instead of forcing us to pay for it.

There is no point though in talking to you, as you don't understand anything, you believe fiction to be fact, and fact to be lies. When you loose the argument, you drop to attacking me personally and calling me a racists jerk.

[Dancing Mustard]

imaginary terrorists? do you believe the planes that hit the towers was actually a government conspiracy?

No.

But tell me, how many of those responsible for that event came from Iraq?


Then, to ask another question: How was dropping a trillion dollars of bombs onto an unconnected sovereign state with a secular government, a way to combat the kind of Islam-driven terrorism that occured on 911?

[Backglass]

Why are we talking about Iraq? You claim it's a waste of money and we should get out?

Because it was Republican who got into this TRILLION DOLLAR mess. Now we have John McCain, who full supports the entire war effort (and ANYTHING military) who believes we should NOT leave...and stay for another 50-100 years.

Hey...what another 3-4 Trillion Dollars, right?

[bedub1]

Why are we talking about Iraq? You claim it's a waste of money and we should get out?

Because it was Republican who got into this TRILLION DOLLAR mess. Now we have John McCain, who full supports the entire war effort (and ANYTHING military) who believes we should NOT leave...and stay for another 50-100 years.

Hey...what another 3-4 Trillion Dollars, right?

I'm pretty sure they all voted yes....

[mpjh]

Get real, Baghdad had a modern, working sewage system before we bombed the shit into the streets. You, sir, are a racist jerk, but one of many that form the base of the fake patriotic movement that is making us enemies all across the world. You want to help Iraq, help get us out.

Baghdad. That would be like saying "all of america throws their shit out the window but LA has a working sewage system that drains straight into the pacific ocean".

I am not a racist jerk...race and color of your skin means nothing to me. Regardless of who you are...you shouldn't be forced to live in squalor and filth by a cruel dictator.

How does leaving iraq help iraq? Do you realize the first thing that will happen is Iran will move in? I'm all for letting them decide what they want for themselves. The problem is 99% of the people are good...and the other 1% is terrorizing them and controlling them with fear. We need to help the 99%...not the 1%. The 1% gets all the attention, while the 99% hides in their houses and doesn't show their faces.

Stop living in the past, with your 20-20 hindsights. You are probably right...we shouldn't ever gone in there in the first place. But guess what...we did. And now we have to deal with it. Have you ever gone and actually asked an Iraqi if they want us there?

Why are we talking about Iraq? You claim it's a waste of money and we should get out? I claim social security is a waste of money and we should end it. Guess what...both of these are welfare programs..and neither of us wants to contribute money to either of them. The claims we went there for the oil and money...if we did...why don't we have either of them? Why do they have all the money? Lets let them pay for it, instead of forcing us to pay for it.

There is no point though in talking to you, as you don't understand anything, you believe fiction to be fact, and fact to be lies. When you loose the argument, you drop to attacking me personally and calling me a racists jerk.

Dipsh*t, ask yourself could 1% of the population in the US terrorize the rest into submission? Of course not. So why do you believe that of Iraqis. Because you are a racist who cannot fathom a people other than white american who can run their own country without us.

[oVo]

It was fiction presented to the World as fact that motivated the patriotic support to initiate this war.

[bedub1]

Get real, Baghdad had a modern, working sewage system before we bombed the shit into the streets. You, sir, are a racist jerk, but one of many that form the base of the fake patriotic movement that is making us enemies all across the world. You want to help Iraq, help get us out.

Baghdad. That would be like saying "all of america throws their shit out the window but LA has a working sewage system that drains straight into the pacific ocean".

I am not a racist jerk...race and color of your skin means nothing to me. Regardless of who you are...you shouldn't be forced to live in squalor and filth by a cruel dictator.

How does leaving iraq help iraq? Do you realize the first thing that will happen is Iran will move in? I'm all for letting them decide what they want for themselves. The problem is 99% of the people are good...and the other 1% is terrorizing them and controlling them with fear. We need to help the 99%...not the 1%. The 1% gets all the attention, while the 99% hides in their houses and doesn't show their faces.

Stop living in the past, with your 20-20 hindsights. You are probably right...we shouldn't ever gone in there in the first place. But guess what...we did. And now we have to deal with it. Have you ever gone and actually asked an Iraqi if they want us there?

Why are we talking about Iraq? You claim it's a waste of money and we should get out? I claim social security is a waste of money and we should end it. Guess what...both of these are welfare programs..and neither of us wants to contribute money to either of them. The claims we went there for the oil and money...if we did...why don't we have either of them? Why do they have all the money? Lets let them pay for it, instead of forcing us to pay for it.

There is no point though in talking to you, as you don't understand anything, you believe fiction to be fact, and fact to be lies. When you loose the argument, you drop to attacking me personally and calling me a racists jerk.

Dipsh*t, ask yourself could 1% of the population in the US terrorize the rest into submission? Of course not. So why do you believe that of Iraqis. Because you are a racist who cannot fathom a people other than white american who can run their own country without us.

Of course 1% could. If there are 305,521,462 people in the US...then 1% is 3,055,215 people. Even .1% could do enough damage to make people afraid to go outside. If these people are going around launching rockets, setting up road side bombs on US streets.....suicide bombing in downtown locations or shopping malls....if a guy blows himself up in a crowded movie theater will you think twice before going to the movies?