Logic dictates that there is a God!

[F1fth]

Give us Tonkites a doctrine, o prophet, and we will follow.

[Gregrios]

well i can fix that...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascals_wager

Yeah ok. I got the basic meaning of it.

It's actually how I came to beleive in God.

What was your point again?

I just dont think its a good way to decide to believe in God. Nothing more or nothing less.

Also first meeting of tonkaism will be put on a calendar or something.

I don't think it's a good way either because it seems like a sucking up way to do it. Deciding to beleive just so I don't go to hell. But you know what, after making that decision with the mind, it's grown into something I beleive with all my heart.

So yes it might not be the most noble way to decide but what other way to decide is there for a non beleiver?

[Caleb the Cruel]

Alright well I haven't read the latest debate here, but I have a message for all you doubters out there in CC-land. Here is an excerpt from a song by Stellar Kart...


Tell me what do you believe in
Does your life have rhyme or reason
Something in your heart that makes you care
I hope that you don't mind me asking
But I have got a burning passion
I need to know forever you'll be there

I can't make it clearer
Put it any other way
If you can't see the simple truth I do
Then there's nothing in this world that's left to say
But jesus loves you

I know I don't have all the answers
And I have wasted many chances
To prove to you a faith that lives inside
I'm praying there will be a breakthrough
Cause I can't be the one to save you
God knows how many times I've tried

I can't explain
But I can't deny
So many times for you I've cried

[Gregrios]

Now go back to the curling iron.

Oh believe me the curls at least are real. As a kid, I hated them. Did you ever hear the nonsense that grown-ups tell you to make you eat your crusts (not sure if this is just a Cockney thing) - "you'll never have curly hair unless you eat the crusts"?

Well, I love crusts, but spent most of my childhood avoiding them 'cos it might make my hair go straight!

You're a funny guy.

[Gregrios]

Alright well I haven't read the latest debate here, but I have a message for all you doubters out there in CC-land. Here is an excerpt from a song by Stellar Kart...


Tell me what do you believe in
Does your life have rhyme or reason
Something in your heart that makes you care
I hope that you don't mind me asking
But I have got a burning passion
I need to know forever you'll be there

I can't make it clearer
Put it any other way
If you can't see the simple truth I do
Then there's nothing in this world that's left to say
But jesus loves you

I know I don't have all the answers
And I have wasted many chances
To prove to you a faith that lives inside
I'm praying there will be a breakthrough
Cause I can't be the one to save you
God knows how many times I've tried

I can't explain
But I can't deny
So many times for you I've cried

That's pretty deep Caleb.

[Neoteny]

Alright well I haven't read the latest debate here, but I have a message for all you doubters out there in CC-land. Here is an excerpt from a song by Stellar Kart...


Tell me what do you believe in
Does your life have rhyme or reason
Something in your heart that makes you care
I hope that you don't mind me asking
But I have got a burning passion
I need to know forever you'll be there

I can't make it clearer
Put it any other way
If you can't see the simple truth I do
Then there's nothing in this world that's left to say
But jesus loves you

I know I don't have all the answers
And I have wasted many chances
To prove to you a faith that lives inside
I'm praying there will be a breakthrough
Cause I can't be the one to save you
God knows how many times I've tried

I can't explain
But I can't deny
So many times for you I've cried

That's pretty deep Caleb.

Deep... and transparent.

[MeDeFe]

Alright well I haven't read the latest debate here, but I have a message for all you doubters out there in CC-land. Here is an excerpt from a song by Stellar Kart...


Tell me what do you believe in
Does your life have rhyme or reason
Something in your heart that makes you care
I hope that you don't mind me asking
But I have got a burning passion
I need to know forever you'll be there

I can't make it clearer
Put it any other way
If you can't see the simple truth I do
Then there's nothing in this world that's left to say
But jesus loves you

I know I don't have all the answers
And I have wasted many chances
To prove to you a faith that lives inside
I'm praying there will be a breakthrough
Cause I can't be the one to save you
God knows how many times I've tried

I can't explain
But I can't deny
So many times for you I've cried

That's pretty deep Caleb.

Deep... and transparent.

Does it have a good tune?

[protectedbygold]

so what about it? doesn't it make sense?

It's definitely an interesting proposition and not one you could totally discount out of hand. I'll grant you that. All I'm saying is that you probably heard that from someone else without even knowing the source behind it.

[Gregrios]

so what about it? doesn't it make sense?

It's definitely an interesting proposition and not one you could totally discount out of hand. I'll grant you that. All I'm saying is that you probably heard that from someone else without even knowing the source behind it.

Well, I've experienced it without knowing the source of the theory.

I can't beleive it's actually a theory. I think of it as common sense.

But hey, what do I know?

[Caleb the Cruel]

Does it have a good tune?

Look it up.

[Juan_Bottom]

Does it have a good tune?

Look it up.

That made me laugh cauze it's something I would say. Nice.

[MeDeFe]

Does it have a good tune?

Look it up.

Without the song title it's not as easy to find.

[rocky mountain]

well i can fix that...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascals_wager

Yeah ok. I got the basic meaning of it.

It's actually how I came to beleive in God.

What was your point again?

I just dont think its a good way to decide to believe in God. Nothing more or nothing less.

Also first meeting of tonkaism will be put on a calendar or something.

I don't think it's a good way either because it seems like a sucking up way to do it. Deciding to beleive just so I don't go to hell. But you know what, after making that decision with the mind, it's grown into something I beleive with all my heart.

So yes it might not be the most noble way to decide but what other way to decide is there for a non beleiver?

that was not my intentions on my post. it was just something to think about. i did not say it was a good way to believe in God. it just makes sense in my eyes...

[Gregrios]

well i can fix that...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascals_wager

Yeah ok. I got the basic meaning of it.

It's actually how I came to beleive in God.

What was your point again?

I just dont think its a good way to decide to believe in God. Nothing more or nothing less.

Also first meeting of tonkaism will be put on a calendar or something.

I don't think it's a good way either because it seems like a sucking up way to do it. Deciding to beleive just so I don't go to hell. But you know what, after making that decision with the mind, it's grown into something I beleive with all my heart.

So yes it might not be the most noble way to decide but what other way to decide is there for a non beleiver?

that was not my intentions on my post. it was just something to think about. i did not say it was a good way to believe in God. it just makes sense in my eyes...

I also think it makes sense especially when you consider that a non beleiver is going to make their decision with the mind. I honestly don't see any other way.

Afterall Pascal's Wager is the same thought process that I went through.

[Backglass]

I suppose the weak willed atheist needs something to blame their misery on.

Yes, because all Atheists are miserable. They would have to be right? After all they have no invisible friends to talk to at bedtime!

[Gregrios]

I suppose the weak willed atheist needs something to blame their misery on.

Yes, because all Atheists are miserable. They would have to be right? After all they have no invisible friends to talk to at bedtime!

Right when I thought stupidity couldn't hit a lower level, you come along with something like this.

[Bavarian Raven]

all these 242 pages can be boiled down to three short words people!:

"Passion Rules Reason!"

[jay_a2j]

all these 242 pages can be boiled down to three short words people!:

"God does exist!"

I'd have to agree with you on that one.

[Caleb the Cruel]

all these 242 pages can be boiled down to three short words people!:

"God does exist!"

I'd have to agree with you on that one.

One of jay's recent posts I can agree with!

That's the good 'ol jay I once knew!

[Caleb the Cruel]

Does it have a good tune?

Look it up.

Without the song title it's not as easy to find.

Oh. Right!

I apologize. The song is simply titled "Jesus Loves You" by Stellar Kart.

[Juan_Bottom]

all these 242 pages can be boiled down to three short words people!:

"God does exist!"

I'd have to agree with you on that one.

One of jay's recent posts I can agree with!

That's the good 'ol jay I once knew!

Gentlemen, It should never be agreeable to put words in anothers mouth. Debate or disagree to your hearts content, but I feel that this was cheap. Don't sell yourselves short!

[Gregrios]

all these 242 pages can be boiled down to three short words people!:

"God does exist!"

I'd have to agree with you on that one.

One of jay's recent posts I can agree with!

That's the good 'ol jay I once knew!

Gentlemen, It should never be agreeable to put words in anothers mouth. Debate or disagree to your hearts content, but I feel that this was cheap. Don't sell yourselves short!

Actually dude. Jay only changed the words, not the meaning.

[Gregrios]

all these 242 pages can be boiled down to three short words people!:

"God does exist!"

I'd have to agree with you on that one.

One of jay's recent posts I can agree with!

That's the good 'ol jay I once knew!

I'm sure he's the same old Jay.

It's just that his eyes are open now.

You see. This is what God is talking about when he says the blind will see and the def will hear. God doesn't mean in the literal sense. He's talking about knowledge and understanding by people who at one time posessed neither.

[MeDeFe]

Does it have a good tune?

Look it up.

Without the song title it's not as easy to find.

Oh. Right!
I apologize. The song is simply titled "Jesus Loves You" by Stellar Kart.

Pretty good for pop-rock. But I prefer something more heavy.

That's also a christian band, btw.

[Juan_Bottom]

Jay has been an uber-Christian as long as I've known him.

I felt that he had interpreted it unfairly. Was I wrong there? I apologize if I was.