[UNKNOWN] Mafia Day 5 - The Disappearance [Abandoned]

[freezie]

I'll agree that Rodion's actions are a bit strange. I think a fuller explanation is in order here.

On saf: He might've been pushing a bit hard on ndrs but as he said, that's his typical strategy in these scenarios. Not really worth a vote, imo. Freezie seems to be pretty agressive about it though. May want to keep an eye on him.

That's my typical strategy to be pretty aggresive. However, since saf is also using his typical strategy..I guess I am wrong.

Or is that all WIFOM..who knows.

[VioIet]

I'll agree that Rodion's actions are a bit strange. I think a fuller explanation is in order here.

On saf: He might've been pushing a bit hard on ndrs but as he said, that's his typical strategy in these scenarios. Not really worth a vote, imo. Freezie seems to be pretty agressive about it though. May want to keep an eye on him.

Yes, I will be keeping an eye on freezie. I am getting some anti-town sentiments from her. I do think it was good she provided the case on saf, but it does seem to be an over-reaction.

[nagerous]

Are you getting a sense that he has reassigned his gender too?

[edocsil]

Are you getting a sense that he has reassigned his gender too?

I always had freezie figured for a chick too. There is reason I have my gender displayed....

Anyway. Went back through the thread. Damn did we spam it up, there was nothing of substance in there hardly at all and then today we have 7 pages of questions about love triangles.

Alright, going with a Vote PCM

I'm here and doubtful of my own activity this week. Bear with me, please.

Hmm, Romeo. I agree that they're probably in separate factions, but neither are likely to be town. That was kinda the thing with Romeo and Juliet; the Capulet and Montague families were tearing the town apart. And if it is a mafia/town split, I'd call that a favorable lynch regardless of shield's alignment. 1 Town for 1 Scum is almost always a good trade, and in this case, I'd say go for it.

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He wasn't as active as I was used to seeing him (it being a big game might also have something to do with it, idk) I think the argument that one of the lovers is scum is foolish, it doesn't fit the play. If anything both the families would scum, R and J were just caught in their war, neither of them were the bad guys. Also any of us could look at our roles and realize this isn't the Capulets vs the Montagues. I think it was scummy to even suggest it. \

Best case I have got at the moment.

[Fircoal]

FOS: Pancake, Yoshi, Illy, Strike, Naggy, Freezie, Naxus

Either you guys don't know how to play Mafia, or you're scum trying to prevent information. OR BOTH!

[DoomYoshi]

FOS: Pancake, Yoshi, Illy, Strike, Naggy, Freezie, Naxus

Either you guys don't know how to play Mafia, or you're scum trying to prevent information. OR BOTH!

...?

[freezie]

I can confirm that he will not be replaced due to one reason or another.

This pretty much confirmed that Nam either can't speak, or will die.

Any ways you look at it..We will know for sure what's going on tomorow. Today..if eh can't speak, then you are all talking to a wall.

[naxus]

FOS: Pancake, Yoshi, Illy, Strike, Naggy, Freezie, Naxus

Either you guys don't know how to play Mafia, or you're scum trying to prevent information. OR BOTH!

...?

Why am I on there?

[Fircoal]

FOS: Pancake, Yoshi, Illy, Strike, Naggy, Freezie, Naxus

Either you guys don't know how to play Mafia, or you're scum trying to prevent information. OR BOTH!

...?

Why am I on there?

There's something in common with everyone on there. That's why you're on there.

[naxus]

and that common thing would be?

[strike wolf]

If this about the rodion thing. I just don't see why we should trust it is a question in good faith or even if it is under innocent motive how effective it actually be.

[freezie]

fircoal is talking about the Nam wagon...

[naxus]

I got off that wagon awhile ago and if he is then why not FOS on safari as well?

[strike wolf]

Well that is even more baseless. No reason to pressure someone who is either going to die at the end of the day or like you said can't talk. I also believe I mentioned that if nam is mafia lover she has no reason to tell us the truth anyways so pressure doesn't matter.

I was never on it. I assumed freezie meant the people who weren't on it...or I could stop being lazy and go back a few pages to actually check who said something against it...

[Fircoal]

If this about the rodion thing. I just don't see why we should trust it is a question in good faith or even if it is under innocent motive how effective it actually be.

The question is not why should we trust it but why shouldn't we allow it? You have to realize there are two outcomes of this scenario, nothing or we find out that Bleed Green is scum. If Rodion is lying about the latter than we lynch him and he's scum. In such an expansive unknown themed game, to give off a name seems like nothing much. It doesn't really matter much in the end. It's like saying that a cop shouldn't declare his guilties. Well how do we know if the cop is lying? Or the cop could be insane or paranoid for all we know. However it is important information, and that is what we like to know it. In this game of Mafia the more correct information the town has the more of an advantage. Limiting Rodion would be limiting our information. I don't like that. If he thinks he has a good chance of finding scum I think it'd be in his best interest to do so. Also not to be insulting but Bleed Green, it's not like you've posted the most this game, nor have you really have the most to say or much information gotten from you. Losing Bleed Green via mafia kill due to this info isn't a terribad scenario.

[Fircoal]

fircoal is talking about the Nam wagon...

No I'm not. Although I do think the Nam wagon is quite silleh just because we know he's a lover of some kind and lynching him won't change anything. However that seems like old beans.

[blakebowling]

I really don't understand what Rodion is doing. (Every time I read his posts it reminds me of Terminator :sigh:)

I do think target's posts were strange, but I'm not sure it was as much scummyness as noobyness.

Fircoal, care to mention what you are talking about then. As I was under the same impression as freezie.

[strike wolf]

I really don't understand what Rodion is doing. (Every time I read his posts it reminds me of Terminator :sigh:)

I do think target's posts were strange, but I'm not sure it was as much scummyness as noobyness.

Fircoal, care to mention what you are talking about then. As I was under the same impression as freezie.

Read the last post of the last page.

[blakebowling]

I really don't understand what Rodion is doing. (Every time I read his posts it reminds me of Terminator :sigh:)

I do think target's posts were strange, but I'm not sure it was as much scummyness as noobyness.

Fircoal, care to mention what you are talking about then. As I was under the same impression as freezie.

Read the last post of the last page.

Oh, that makes sense.

I don't see why it would be a big deal for bleed to claim his name, but I also don't see how it would help. Maybe that's just my lack of experience.

[Rodion]

Since then I've offered a less intrusive question instead.

Sigh. You'll have your explanation before the end of the day.

Alright, I'll rephrase my question in a less intrusive manner. Granted, my probability of catching scum will diminish, but at least I get a shot (and if I get to catch scum today with 6 people holding me back, I demand MVP honors ).

Bleed - what book is your character from? Romeo and Juliet? King Lear? Hamlet? Macbeth? Merchant of Venice? None of the aforementioned?

That's all.

And pre-emptive FOS on whoever says something that might induce Bleed's answer.

Still waiting on an answer.

[strike wolf]

If bleed is willing to answer proceed with your original question. I am still iffy on it but I imagine that latter question will be completely ineffective. So I don't feel you should proceed in that manner. So at this point I am not going to encourage this behavior but I will stand to the side as far as the arguing.

[pancakemix]

He wasn't as active as I was used to seeing him (it being a big game might also have something to do with it, idk) I think the argument that one of the lovers is scum is foolish, it doesn't fit the play. If anything both the families would scum, R and J were just caught in their war, neither of them were the bad guys. Also any of us could look at our roles and realize this isn't the Capulets vs the Montagues. I think it was scummy to even suggest it.

I did suggest that no matter what their alignments, the two were probably members of factions that were at odds. That alone implies non-town alignments, so I still feel that a lynch was in order. And if we're gonna go by the play, the two families were pretty destructive.

From ancient grudge break to new mutiny,
Where civil blood makes civil hands unclean.

So I don't see how removing one from the ranks of two potentially violent factions is such a bad thing.

As far as activity is concerned, that's a sitewide phenomenon. I've had a lot going on lately and I'm trying to get back in the swing of things now that it's over.

FOS: Pancake, Yoshi, Illy, Strike, Naggy, Freezie, Naxus

Either you guys don't know how to play Mafia, or you're scum trying to prevent information. OR BOTH!

I've never known vague hunches to go very far beyond getting suggested and getting the one who suggested it lynched or into a claiming scenario. I stated my opinion and nothing more. It's not incredibly intrusive, so it's not voteworthy or anything like that. Just worth noting. And if Bleed will cooperate that's his prerogative.

[safariguy5]

PCM raises a good point there Rodion, what is Bleed refuses to reveal any information? There's not enough evidence that would lead me to cast a vote on him simply to help you obtain information and I don't see where the evidence would be for you to continue to be suspicious of him without revealing something yourself (not that I recommend doing that either.)

[jeraado]

PCM raises a good point there Rodion, what is Bleed refuses to reveal any information? There's not enough evidence that would lead me to cast a vote on him simply to help you obtain information and I don't see where the evidence would be for you to continue to be suspicious of him without revealing something yourself (not that I recommend doing that either.)

Well, if bleed won't give information then it will come down to why that is, and whether the case against him (which would then have to be built) was strong enough to build a full claim.

I have to say, it didn't quite sit with me right either, and I would consider a vote on him if it were required in order to encourage the information. I think Rodion's second question - what is the source of your character - is a less intrusive one, I just wonder whether it will be enough to be decisive

[safariguy5]

PCM raises a good point there Rodion, what is Bleed refuses to reveal any information? There's not enough evidence that would lead me to cast a vote on him simply to help you obtain information and I don't see where the evidence would be for you to continue to be suspicious of him without revealing something yourself (not that I recommend doing that either.)

Well, if bleed won't give information then it will come down to why that is, and whether the case against him (which would then have to be built) was strong enough to build a full claim.

I have to say, it didn't quite sit with me right either, and I would consider a vote on him if it were required in order to encourage the information. I think Rodion's second question - what is the source of your character - is a less intrusive one, I just wonder whether it will be enough to be decisive

The reason why is because forcing information from someone at the drop of a hat basically can lead to a massclaim which is terrible for town as it gives mafia and third party their pick of town power roles to pick off. If we force something out of Bleed Green just because Rodion said so, we're basically greenlighting forcing everyone to reveal something for nothing (no voting, no cases, no pressure).