Streaker's F11 Game Over (4/9) MAFIA WIN (archive plz)

[subtleknifewield]

the only way that scum could possibly win in that situation, Boss, was if it was 4-2 in the day phase and a mislynch happened, resulting in a 3-2 going into night phase, meaning you come out into the next day phase 2-2. Since we are intent on lynching every day, that situation would not happen.

It is one reason WHY a no-lynch is never a wise decision.

[bosaardbeitje]

@ Rizky, I fell asleep behind my laptop, what does that tell you?
@ Subtle, thanks, I think I understand

[subtleknifewield]

You are welcome.
And hahah, I have fallen asleep over my laptop a few times in the last few days, I feel for you there.

[rizky_biznezz]

Lol k I'm not that bad then..

[ptlowe]

I don't know which way to go bos.. If we believe tim then I have 3 ppl I know I can trust however seeing as noone is entirely sure of him the mafia may choose to not kill him again seeing as we don't know if his info is useful or not.. Now I don't know which way to go so going to see what the others say..
Funny how this mafia thing takes over though I was at work this morning trying to make sense of it and just now i was folding washing and changed my mind again lol

Trust no one but yourself. Make reads and go with your instincts. If your instincts say to follow someone do so.

This logic is a little crazy. So we are saying that if Tim keeps living through each night we can just let him do so because he claims to be town and perhaps the mafia will have framed Tim well enough that Tim wont be believed......I dont know why people keep talking about the mafia framing Tim. Time framed himself with his fast lynch of aage, with his soft claim vt then hard claim pr. An now he keeps posting about killing himself...seems like desperation to me.

[bosaardbeitje]

Another reason for Tim not being mafia... Why would mafia claim cop from the outset? That's risky business (pun intended) because there could be a real cop. Now, if the mafia would go down this road they are taking a huge risk. The only reason I can think of is that the mafia wants to provoke a counterclaim. If that would happen then the real cop dies N1, but one mafiaso dies D2, which would not bring them any further.

The longer I think about it... I think Tim is innocent. Now, Ptlowe, you are probably going to hate me for steering away from Tim again and I already lost some of my Town credit with you, so let me explain a few thigs.

- Because I had a lot of Town credit, I thought I could act a bit like a loose cannon, without people immediately thinking I am making scummy moves, hence my treath towards Tim, hence my warning towards Epi about building a case later, hence my bandwagon with Subtle. I wanted to provoke as much action and reaction as possible (and gain information), thinking I was safe anyway.
- Remember, I don't have the meta you have. So if you point me to that particular game in which Tim was scum and Dakky convinced you not to vote for him, I will gladly read it and adjust my opinion if necessary.
- If you want me to I can also provide a more point by point analysis of Tim's actions and why I believe they are justified

Here's where I am at now:

Madmitch - leaning scum - doesn't care about the set-up, doesn't make sense, only raises questions, doesn't provide solid cases blablabla, way more quiet on day 2 than day 1, still hasn't given us a list of reads
Subtleknifewield - neutral - a little under the radar now an then, providing good ideas as well, eagerly bandwagonned with me without thinking
Ptlowe - my strongest town read (you'd better not be scum) - trying to make cases, pushing people when necessary, no strange behaviour
Epitaph1 - leaning scum - very much under the radar, little one-liner here, little accusation there, not stirring the pot, just laying low, see the points rizky provided, will add to it later
Rizky - leaning town - starting to give more reads, similar thoughts as mine, makes sense
Tim - leaning town - it looks to far fetched that he would claim cop from the beginning, I am starting to think he is being framed

Fp'd by Ptlowe, please don't get mad

[subtleknifewield]

Hmmm...I love how much thought you gave that, honestly in the all too likely event I am right about Tim, that post from you makes me think you are likely town yourself that he would simply be trying to frame in the event of his own death.

However, I don't recall him claiming cop from the beginning. As I recall, he initially tried to hint at not having a Power Role (doc or cop)...and then only when feeling pressured claimed cop. Or rather that he did have a power role, because even when he did that he did not at first outright specify which role he had. The second claim, the full one, was actually fairly late in the first day, as I recall, and the hint that he was a power role was at best mid-day, not early.

[ptlowe]

- Remember, I don't have the meta you have. So if you point me to that particular game in which Tim was scum and Dakky convinced you not to vote for him, I will gladly read it and adjust my opinion if necessary.

- If you want me to I can also provide a more point by point analysis of Tim's actions and why I believe they are justified

We arent suppose to link games, as Ive been told a bunch of times. I did look for the topic however it was WCG's C9 game. Looks like they have it hidden right now because I went to access it and I dont have access...Maybe Wing can tell us why he closed it for no one to see. Anyways, Tim acted much like he is now in that game. So from my prospective hes scum. But we can wait another day if we can find his partner. Just remember if I die night two and hes around day 3....maybe then lynch him or maybe just give him another free pass if he whines a lot again.

Not mad but would like the justification. Also, would you string the posts together showing why you think Epi is mafia? Is it just the lack of posts? Id rather win and see the right side of the argument then pull from a false perception.

Finally, I think its smart to claim cop if your mafia because it makes the actual cop counterclaim...then cop dies and its easier for remaining mafia to clean up. Maybe IM wrong.

Fpd

[bosaardbeitje]

However, I don't recall him claiming cop from the beginning. As I recall, he initially tried to hint at not having a Power Role (doc or cop)...and then only when feeling pressured claimed cop. Or rather that he did have a power role, because even when he did that he did not at first outright specify which role he had. The second claim, the full one, was actually fairly late in the first day, as I recall, and the hint that he was a power role was at best mid-day, not early.

Perhaps I should have worded it differently... I meant from day 1 on...

We arent suppose to link games, as Ive been told a bunch of times.

I was not aware of that.

Not mad but would like the justification. Also, would you string the posts together showing why you think Epi is mafia? Is it just the lack of posts? Id rather win and see the right side of the argument then pull from a false perception.

Will do, but a bit later today and same here.

[subtleknifewield]

Well, Boss is right on that at least, it would be a risky move...but if it payed off, it also would net them the cop, and deprive the town of their best information-gathering asset. And as a mislynch, they wouldn't be able to be lynched until the following day, too, giving their partner at least until day three when the town would be winnowed down a good deal, too, from 2 on 7, to 1 on 4, by Day three. Not the best improvement on their odds, but it would probably be worth it to get rid of the real cop.

But again, all that reasoning hinges on the idea they claimed early, which didn't actually happen here. Even if it was on Day 1, it was after being pressured. Or feeling pressured anyway. When being pressured is the best time for anyone to claim. It's often the best defense when one feels they are about to be lynched.

[subtleknifewield]

In other words, it's far from the first time a roleclaim has happened on Day 1, and I've seen both town and scum do it.

[ptlowe]

Well, Boss is right on that at least, it would be a risky move...but if it payed off, it also would net them the cop, and deprive the town of their best information-gathering asset. And as a mislynch, they wouldn't be able to be lynched until the following day, too, giving their partner at least until day three when the town would be winnowed down a good deal, too, from 2 on 7, to 1 on 4, by Day three. Not the best improvement on their odds, but it would probably be worth it to get rid of the real cop.

But again, all that reasoning hinges on the idea they claimed early, which didn't actually happen here. Even if it was on Day 1, it was after being pressured. Or feeling pressured anyway. When being pressured is the best time for anyone to claim. It's often the best defense when one feels they are about to be lynched.

Yeah he didnt claim cop till day 2. Just a power role in day 1.Take a look both of you and you will see now cop claim day one.

[subtleknifewield]

Ah, I wasn't sure on the exact timing...

[bosaardbeitje]

Oh common, we all knew he claimed cop day 1, he only put it in those exact words on day 2.

[subtleknifewield]

Tim claim about not having a power role is confusing as hell,he either has a soft claim about being town to not give away his town pr away like he did before or he has a mafia power role like bus driver got to keep both eyes on him

no bus driver siilly mitch your thinking of the wrong game

Tim this was already settled,so are you saying you are mafia role blocker? @bosaard why are you so protective of Tim is he your partner in crime FOS on both of you and also unvote

nope not skum role blocker and not skum at all but lets jsut say i have the game set up narrowed down to only 2 possable sset ups

Ah, here we go page 6. This is where he hinted he was a PR, right?

Page 6

I find no hard clai up to at least page 9, checking further past that

[subtleknifewield]

okay so 7 of us alive we KNOW 2 o those 7 are skum. i know i am town and i KNOW boss is town. thats leaves 3 people to look at. as i said before either boss or skw dies tonight and i know boss is town so vote skw this goes back to us being suspicious o there back to back votes on streak looking to odd.

You might as well say that you're the cop and got an innocent result on boss.

This is the first mention of cop on Day 2, and it wasn't even Tim saying it...everyone just assumed from what he said he was claiming cop and he did not deny it.

[subtleknifewield]

EBWODP

Meant to mention, that was on page 13

[subtleknifewield]

Oh common, we all knew he claimed cop day 1, he only put it in those exact words on day 2.

Sorry Boss, I checked just to make certain I wasn't mistaken, but I just quoted the only two posts I could find all the way through early day 2 where claims of PR were made from him, even indirectly.

It's actually something a smart scum might do and then if they need to back out of it they can say they never actually claimed it all along and they would be telling the truth.

[rizky_biznezz]

i dont have a strong case for anyone... i think i may end up falling into the mafias trap... i may have to go tim... if they kill him we wont get anymore info anyway.. and if it turns out he lives another day then i still wont know if i can trust him.. if we kill him at least we will know one way or another... if he is cop/town yes that will suck big time and i will definitely have to look at anyone else that has been pushing the tim vote but as cop/town he has made himself look suspicious.. it was very early in the game when he was claiming which seems odd he didnt have a lot of votes and was only under suspicion by a few ppl he had plenty of time to convince us of his innocence without playing the cop card... not doing anything yet just putting out where i am at the moment

[rizky_biznezz]

mitch say something

[madmitch]

Forgot to add. If Tim is not the cop, the real cop should not counterclaim today.

Nor should Doc be counterclaimed.

@ sounds like you are claiming town doc,you most have saved Tim,so the odds right now are better for finding scum.tim cop,you doc,bos town by tims claim, so that leaves sbk,epi,rizky,and myself, which two of you are mafia

[ptlowe]

Forgot to add. If Tim is not the cop, the real cop should not counterclaim today.

Nor should Doc be counterclaimed.

@ sounds like you are claiming town doc,you most have saved Tim,so the odds right now are better for finding scum.tim cop,you doc,bos town by tims claim, so that leaves sbk,epi,rizky,and myself, which two of you are mafia

lololololololololololol....sorry mitch. im on the floor. Nice try, not claiming anything...Why would I be pushing Tim if I just saved him?

[rizky_biznezz]

Good to see u mitch.. But I dont understand why pt would save tim only to push us to get rid of him

[rizky_biznezz]

Lol u beat me to it pt

[ptlowe]

Lol u beat me to it pt

Wait I got it...Its my master plan (muhahahahah) kill the cop so I get all the glory as the doc....I really dont get it...Please hook me up on those drugs Mitch.