If you have any understanding of science, the facts of evolution are as obvious as night and day.
If you are afraid of a world without an intelligent design you will believe just about anything.
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This has been said a thousand times and still jay won't pay it any attention and annoy the f*ck out of everyone here.orion_ wrote:![]()
If you have any understanding of science, the facts of evolution are as obvious as night and day.
If you are afraid of a world without an intelligent design you will believe just about anything.
Well, they are a private school. They could just make crap up as they go along and it wouldn't be wrong, at least not in a moral sense. Besides, I'm pretty sure that a lot of Catholic schools are pretty much made to cater to the creationist crowd. That said, I'm a bit interested in what they do tell you when they get to that particular part in Biology or whatever equivalent class they might teach.Skittles! wrote:Jay, at my old school, which is a Christian Seventh-Day Adventist school, they refuse to teach evolution with the excuse that it is against their faith. They're not a State school, but a private one.
Do you think this is wrong to not teach evolution because of their faith?
A theory in science is a model based on facts. Evolution is as close to a fact as you can reasonably get in this world. Gravity is also a theory.jay_a2j wrote:
joecoolfrog, I believe evolution should be taught....as a theory but not as a fact (which was presented as fact in my college first aid class). "The tailbone is what is left of our tail through evolution"
Remember that jay also honestly believes he was cured of a disease by a television preacher-healer so science in of no value to him.heavycola wrote:It's based on a class you took aged... what, 13? That you have stated proudly you ignored? yet you seem to have the jump on the world's geologists, palaeotntologists and biologists.

are registered trademarks of Backglass Heavy Industries.Perfectly believable, the majority of medicine works on placebo reactions anyway. So in a sense "god" did cure Jay, by Jay's belief that it would cure him.Backglass wrote:Remember that jay also honestly believes he was cured of a disease by a television preacher-healer so science in of no value to him.heavycola wrote:It's based on a class you took aged... what, 13? That you have stated proudly you ignored? yet you seem to have the jump on the world's geologists, palaeotntologists and biologists.
Er...is this sarcasm or fact? Sorry, I'm new so I wouldn't know.Backglass wrote:Remember that jay also honestly believes he was cured of a disease by a television preacher-healer so science in of no value to him.heavycola wrote:It's based on a class you took aged... what, 13? That you have stated proudly you ignored? yet you seem to have the jump on the world's geologists, palaeotntologists and biologists.
Thats true with Christians. Christians in state schools in my experiance dont mind learning evolution even if they dont believe it, but Muslims always try to get out of it in every way possible. Imo, they are more ignorant then Christians as some Christians at least admit that it takes faith to believe in their religion, whilst Muslims think that all the evidence points to the fact that their religion is perfect.Iliad wrote:I think it is wrong. You should still teach it even if it's against the faith. A strong believer in God will learn evolution in school and not cry and claim it's against his faith.Skittles! wrote:Jay, at my old school, which is a Christian Seventh-Day Adventist school, they refuse to teach evolution with the excuse that it is against their faith. They're not a State school, but a private one.
Do you think this is wrong to not teach evolution because of their faith?
Well Jay here's a Christian, and he seems to feel that evolution takes more faith than creation. I think that it's a lot more how religious you are and lot less which one you are in particular...head down to Mississippi and you'll see a heck of a lot of Christians who feel their religion is pretty perfect.Titanic wrote:Thats true with Christians. Christians in state schools in my experiance dont mind learning evolution even if they dont believe it, but Muslims always try to get out of it in every way possible. Imo, they are more ignorant then Christians as some Christians at least admit that it takes faith to believe in their religion, whilst Muslims think that all the evidence points to the fact that their religion is perfect.Iliad wrote:I think it is wrong. You should still teach it even if it's against the faith. A strong believer in God will learn evolution in school and not cry and claim it's against his faith.Skittles! wrote:Jay, at my old school, which is a Christian Seventh-Day Adventist school, they refuse to teach evolution with the excuse that it is against their faith. They're not a State school, but a private one.
Do you think this is wrong to not teach evolution because of their faith?
Visit the Bible Belt.Titanic wrote:Thats true with Christians. Christians in state schools in my experiance dont mind learning evolution even if they dont believe it, but Muslims always try to get out of it in every way possible. Imo, they are more ignorant then Christians as some Christians at least admit that it takes faith to believe in their religion, whilst Muslims think that all the evidence points to the fact that their religion is perfect.Iliad wrote:I think it is wrong. You should still teach it even if it's against the faith. A strong believer in God will learn evolution in school and not cry and claim it's against his faith.Skittles! wrote:Jay, at my old school, which is a Christian Seventh-Day Adventist school, they refuse to teach evolution with the excuse that it is against their faith. They're not a State school, but a private one.
Do you think this is wrong to not teach evolution because of their faith?

Iliad wrote:Jay if it's not a fact show 3, only 3, flaws. You still haven't done thatjay_a2j wrote:Iliad wrote: That's because it is a fact. You still haven't shown me 3 flaws in evolution. And I can't believe all of your knowledge is based on your class in year 8 taught by a teacher who didn't even believe it!
Evolution IS NOT a fact. Its not based on 8th grade. It's based on ALL the questions evolution leaves unanswered. Or does not even attempt to answer.
JESUS SAVES!!!PLAYER57832 wrote:Too many of those who claim they don't believe global warming are really "end-timer" Christians.
Creation explains why you won't find the fossil of an animal alive today anywhere deep in the soil. Only simpler animals (barring the dinos) are found the deeper you dig. Creation doesn't explain that.jay_a2j wrote:Iliad wrote:Jay if it's not a fact show 3, only 3, flaws. You still haven't done thatjay_a2j wrote:Iliad wrote: That's because it is a fact. You still haven't shown me 3 flaws in evolution. And I can't believe all of your knowledge is based on your class in year 8 taught by a teacher who didn't even believe it!
Evolution IS NOT a fact. Its not based on 8th grade. It's based on ALL the questions evolution leaves unanswered. Or does not even attempt to answer.
I did and you couldn't come up with a logical rebuttal of those, so why post more?

Backglass wrote:Remember that jay also honestly believes he was cured of a disease by a television preacher-healer so science in of no value to him.heavycola wrote:It's based on a class you took aged... what, 13? That you have stated proudly you ignored? yet you seem to have the jump on the world's geologists, palaeotntologists and biologists.
JESUS SAVES!!!PLAYER57832 wrote:Too many of those who claim they don't believe global warming are really "end-timer" Christians.
There's only one problem: he's been dead for 2000 years, and 'rage' is a fictional disease.jay_a2j wrote:Backglass wrote:Remember that jay also honestly believes he was cured of a disease by a television preacher-healer so science in of no value to him.heavycola wrote:It's based on a class you took aged... what, 13? That you have stated proudly you ignored? yet you seem to have the jump on the world's geologists, palaeotntologists and biologists.
lol...I have medical documentation to back it up. Backglass, why bother? Jesus could come into your bedroom tonight and you'd run straight to a psychologist to find out what is wrong with you!

joecoolfrog wrote:Jay
There is no point denying the fact that 99.9 % of Scientists believe in the theory,they may all be wrong but its unlikely. Therefore it would be correct to say that evolution is widely accepted as fact and there is no comparable theory based on known natural law. Picking flaws in a theory is fine,thats what expands our knowledge, but stubbornly refusing to recognise a probability is just stupid and ignorant.
You have chosen to take an uncompromising stand in regards to literal scripture,which puts you in a huge minority even amongst Christians, this however disadvantages you when confronted with logical thought and reduces you to stonewalling debate. This particular brand of faith does not educate or open ones eyes, it simply narrows them until you become blinded to all that you do not wish to see.
JESUS SAVES!!!PLAYER57832 wrote:Too many of those who claim they don't believe global warming are really "end-timer" Christians.
unriggable wrote:There's only one problem: he's been dead for 2000 years, and 'rage' is a fictional disease.jay_a2j wrote:Backglass wrote:Remember that jay also honestly believes he was cured of a disease by a television preacher-healer so science in of no value to him.heavycola wrote:It's based on a class you took aged... what, 13? That you have stated proudly you ignored? yet you seem to have the jump on the world's geologists, palaeotntologists and biologists.
lol...I have medical documentation to back it up. Backglass, why bother? Jesus could come into your bedroom tonight and you'd run straight to a psychologist to find out what is wrong with you!
JESUS SAVES!!!PLAYER57832 wrote:Too many of those who claim they don't believe global warming are really "end-timer" Christians.
Yep sorry Jay the exact figure was 99.86 % and comes from the same source as your figures which only add up to 95% , despite the organisations best efforts to put creationism in the most positive light.jay_a2j wrote:joecoolfrog wrote:Jay
There is no point denying the fact that 99.9 % of Scientists believe in the theory,they may all be wrong but its unlikely. Therefore it would be correct to say that evolution is widely accepted as fact and there is no comparable theory based on known natural law. Picking flaws in a theory is fine,thats what expands our knowledge, but stubbornly refusing to recognise a probability is just stupid and ignorant.
You have chosen to take an uncompromising stand in regards to literal scripture,which puts you in a huge minority even amongst Christians, this however disadvantages you when confronted with logical thought and reduces you to stonewalling debate. This particular brand of faith does not educate or open ones eyes, it simply narrows them until you become blinded to all that you do not wish to see.
It's not 99.9 % Lets keep it official shall we?
1997-NOV data is little changed. Note the massive differences between the beliefs of the general population and of scientists:
Belief system Creationist view Theistic evolution Naturalistic
Everyone 44% 39% 10%
Scientists 5% 40% 55%