Conquer Club

MeDeFe wrote:

spiesr wrote:I claim MeDeFe as my mason partner, although it appears he was recruited last night. Although how you recruit a third party to third party I am not entirely clear. Safariguy, what exactly is the win condition of your party again?

I'll just confirm this, yes, it's true, I was masoned to spiesr at the beginning of the game and apparently I still am despite having been recruited by safariguy.

I think the set up may have been town, scum, and parties 3.1, 3.2, 3.3 (however many different 3rd party groups there were). Then it's possible to recruit someone from one 3rd party group to another.

It has also been correctly assumed that I'm Angela.

I assume that the change is you lose you old win conditions and gain the win conditions of the new group, while retaining all you masonry

edocsil wrote:

MeDeFe wrote:

spiesr wrote:I claim MeDeFe as my mason partner, although it appears he was recruited last night. Although how you recruit a third party to third party I am not entirely clear. Safariguy, what exactly is the win condition of your party again?

I'll just confirm this, yes, it's true, I was masoned to spiesr at the beginning of the game and apparently I still am despite having been recruited by safariguy.

I think the set up may have been town, scum, and parties 3.1, 3.2, 3.3 (however many different 3rd party groups there were). Then it's possible to recruit someone from one 3rd party group to another.

It has also been correctly assumed that I'm Angela.

I assume that the change is you lose you old win conditions and gain the win conditions of the new group, while retaining all you masonry

You could be right, but wercool said nothing about my win conditions changing, so I just assumed I kept my old one and could win with my new group. It's pretty much impossible to be recruited into a group with a win condition that doesn't allow for "survivor" anyway, so that makes as much sense as anything else.

edocsil wrote:

MeDeFe wrote:

spiesr wrote:I claim MeDeFe as my mason partner, although it appears he was recruited last night. Although how you recruit a third party to third party I am not entirely clear. Safariguy, what exactly is the win condition of your party again?

I'll just confirm this, yes, it's true, I was masoned to spiesr at the beginning of the game and apparently I still am despite having been recruited by safariguy.

I think the set up may have been town, scum, and parties 3.1, 3.2, 3.3 (however many different 3rd party groups there were). Then it's possible to recruit someone from one 3rd party group to another.

It has also been correctly assumed that I'm Angela.

I assume that the change is you lose you old win conditions and gain the win conditions of the new group, while retaining all you masonry

I believe the reason that the game hasn't ended yet is because there are more than 1 factions out there. Quite simply, with all the 3rd parties, nobody has enough members to win. Let's assume that there are no scum left and nobody lied on their claims. At this point, it's pretty clear who is in who's party and who's unaffiliated. Edocsil and I are the two recruiters, but by this point, I think both of us have recruited enough people to prevent a lynch to either of us. Add this to the fact that both of us will die if one of us is killed, and both of us want to survive. This makes a stalemate in voting a real possibility. However, I haven't ruled out the fact that someone is actually scum, but I think it would be really difficult to lynch the right person today. I suggest a no lynch and see if anyone dies in the night. Duday might have some ideas about who to block and such.

safariguy5 wrote:

edocsil wrote:

MeDeFe wrote:

spiesr wrote:I claim MeDeFe as my mason partner, although it appears he was recruited last night. Although how you recruit a third party to third party I am not entirely clear. Safariguy, what exactly is the win condition of your party again?

I'll just confirm this, yes, it's true, I was masoned to spiesr at the beginning of the game and apparently I still am despite having been recruited by safariguy.

I think the set up may have been town, scum, and parties 3.1, 3.2, 3.3 (however many different 3rd party groups there were). Then it's possible to recruit someone from one 3rd party group to another.

It has also been correctly assumed that I'm Angela.

I assume that the change is you lose you old win conditions and gain the win conditions of the new group, while retaining all you masonry

I believe the reason that the game hasn't ended yet is because there are more than 1 factions out there. Quite simply, with all the 3rd parties, nobody has enough members to win. Let's assume that there are no scum left and nobody lied on their claims. At this point, it's pretty clear who is in who's party and who's unaffiliated. Edocsil and I are the two recruiters, but by this point, I think both of us have recruited enough people to prevent a lynch to either of us. Add this to the fact that both of us will die if one of us is killed, and both of us want to survive. This makes a stalemate in voting a real possibility. However, I haven't ruled out the fact that someone is actually scum, but I think it would be really difficult to lynch the right person today. I suggest a no lynch and see if anyone dies in the night. Duday might have some ideas about who to block and such.

I don't like this. I would like to know what the win requirements of the third party groups are. I have never gotten this far into a mafia game before so I don't know how all this late game stuff works. I assumed that once the sum were dead the town won, as well as any other survivors. Could some of the third party groups prevent the town from wining? This would make a lot of sense with the whole Eragon/elves/varden not being scum thing

I do not see how either I or safari could survive if the town and the third party are set against each other. I could see the game not being over till either naxus or duday was dead, but obviously that isn't what is holding the game back now.

confused

Yeah, I'm really confused by the fact that you are apparently a town recruiter. I have never played a mafia game where there has been a town recruiter. If that is really the case, then the simple thing to do would be to just have me stop recruiting anyone, and have you recruit someone every night until everyone is town. I'm willing to do that because that means that if there are no more scum left, then everyone can win. It would just take several day/night cycles with no lynches.

Okay, I have no idea what to do. Tonight I can kill one person, and either roleblock or protect somebody. I'll double check my win condition and get back to you guys. I say we no lynch, and I get recruited to town?

Ya I just need to survive.. which makes sense if you apply it to the story. Because Eragon is always given the option to join the king or fight against him.

Also, how many nights would it take to recruit the third party thats left? How many town is there vs. 3rd party?

I know I have 2 members of my party, / and MeDeFe. I am willing to stop recruiting and get recruited if I can win as well. Who exactly would we kill though? I'm not sure who is scum.

duday53 wrote:Okay, I have no idea what to do. Tonight I can kill one person, and either roleblock or protect somebody. I'll double check my win condition and get back to you guys. I say we no lynch, and I get recruited to town?

Oh wait, has Mr. Squirrel said anything and has anyone claimed him? We could kill him possibly.

safariguy5 wrote:

duday53 wrote:Okay, I have no idea what to do. Tonight I can kill one person, and either roleblock or protect somebody. I'll double check my win condition and get back to you guys. I say we no lynch, and I get recruited to town?

Oh wait, has Mr. Squirrel said anything and has anyone claimed him? We could kill him possibly.

I was masoned with naxus and cubfan. I was part of a mason group between the king and his two guards. Personally, I'm still a little suspicious of edocsil, but I have no real case against him. Just this hunch that I can't shake. I'll keep quiet tho until I can find something about him.

Other than that, my spiesr roleblock/protect last night is the only thing we have to work off in my opinion to find scum (if theres still scum).

As for the recruiting game you two are playing, I'm really confused as to what you two are planning to do. Can you clarify for us?

edocsil wrote:Role Claimed Abilities Claimed Alignment Mason
MeDeFe Angela ? 3rd Safariguy5
Cena Rules Dwarf ? Town Edocsil
Spiesr Solembum Talk to everyone 3rd MeDeFe
/ Farmer ? 3rd ?
Edocsil Knight Recruit Town Cena Rules, Naxus but he is dead
Duday Eragon Kill/Investigate/Other fun stuff 3rd All dead
Mr. Squirrel Jailkeeper Rolebock Town All dead
Safariguy5 Arya Recruit 3rd MeDeFe

Thanks edocsil

edocsil wrote:I don't like this. I would like to know what the win requirements of the third party groups are. I have never gotten this far into a mafia game before so I don't know how all this late game stuff works. I assumed that once the sum were dead the town won, as well as any other survivors. Could some of the third party groups prevent the town from wining? This would make a lot of sense with the whole Eragon/elves/varden not being scum thing

Well my third party win condition is to survive until the end of the game. Medefe also has this condition, but now that he has been recruited it has probably changed somewhat.

Survivors, by their very nature should have no effect on when the game ends. Other third parties could prevent the town from wining. Cults and serial killers must both be eliminated before the town can win. I would not be surprised if one of the third parities in this game is cult like in nature. I would first suspect the groups that claim to have recruiters. Recruiting to town or survivor doesn't make any sense. I suppose that in theory a town recruiter could exist to counter a anti-town recruiter, but that would be a really poorly setup game.

I still think that we should look into safariguy some more. His third party does not strike me as something that we should trust.

I think a major part of why this game is flailing around randomly is to be blamed on the mod. The setup is illogical and further modding errors have caused mass confusion, and not the good kind of confusion either...

spiesr wrote:

edocsil wrote:I don't like this. I would like to know what the win requirements of the third party groups are. I have never gotten this far into a mafia game before so I don't know how all this late game stuff works. I assumed that once the sum were dead the town won, as well as any other survivors. Could some of the third party groups prevent the town from wining? This would make a lot of sense with the whole Eragon/elves/varden not being scum thing

Well my third party win condition is to survive until the end of the game. Medefe also has this condition, but now that he has been recruited it has probably changed somewhat.

Survivors, by their very nature should have no effect on when the game ends. Other third parties could prevent the town from wining. Cults and serial killers must both be eliminated before the town can win. I would not be surprised if one of the third parities in this game is cult like in nature. I would first suspect the groups that claim to have recruiters. Recruiting to town or survivor doesn't make any sense. I suppose that in theory a town recruiter could exist to counter a anti-town recruiter, but that would be a really poorly setup game.

I still think that we should look into safariguy some more. His third party does not strike me as something that we should trust.

I think a major part of why this game is flailing around randomly is to be blamed on the mod. The setup is illogical and further modding errors have caused mass confusion, and not the good kind of confusion either...

I think this is exactly what we have here. I've said before, I'm a third party recruiter. And yes, I was informed recently that my win condition was cult like (most people recruited). Now, I could just go for a recruitment tonight and hope someone else dies, but I see an alternate to this. Edocsil is a town recruiter. Now we know who is in my cult. Since he and I are lovers, this means both of us would want to save ourselves. All we need to do is to not have me recruit anymore people and have him recruit me, MeDeFe, and / to town. All the survivors would win as would the rest of us. This assumes no scum left.

I do not think there are any more scum. I say I recruit safari (makes 4 town 4 third party) Then the next night I recruit someone, likely Duday because he seems to want to be, and safari recruits someone to town (I assume he recruits town if he is town) and then town has 6 to 2. If that doesn't count as a town victory then will still have a scum out there that can't NK and it could only be one of two people, the two who are not recruited to town. So long as there are no NKs and I stay alive it should be an easy win.

@ safari Mr. Squirrel is town. I will stake my life on that. Earlier I was masoned with him and he played as town and I was told by wercool that he was town in my first role PM. I don't think wercool was lying.

Im all for the no lynch and recruit method.

cena-rules wrote:Im all for the no lynch and recruit method.

So... no lynch then? Everyone?

MeDeFe wrote:

cena-rules wrote:Im all for the no lynch and recruit method.

So... no lynch then? Everyone?

guess so. vote no lynch

Should have said this with my vote but... Duday, do you mind protecting me tonight? Or will that be the last action you can perform? I don't remember quite how your abilities worked.

edocsil wrote:Should have said this with my vote but... Duday, do you mind protecting me tonight? Or will that be the last action you can perform? I don't remember quite how your abilities worked.

I can protect you tonight, but only tonight. It is a one-time thing.

Vote no-lynch

duday53 wrote:

edocsil wrote:Should have said this with my vote but... Duday, do you mind protecting me tonight? Or will that be the last action you can perform? I don't remember quite how your abilities worked.

I can protect you tonight, but only tonight. It is a one-time thing.

Vote no-lynch

EBWOP

Vote no-lynch

Btw, I should be recruited tonight. I have a feeling that I am the one that is keeping this game going on because my role could be described as a serial killer. But instead of lynching me could I please be recruited.

Thanks.

Oh, well yes that would be why we haven't won yet. I will recruit you and hopefully that will alow you to win as well.

no lynch 5 (mr squirrle edocsil medefe duday cena-rules)
no lynch
it was a fairly quiet day. the residents were still talking thou. they were gossiping that if everyone became town that there would be peace, but can they complete this objective? they will have to see in the night.
night 3 start