Quentin Tarantino Mafia Night 3 (Mafia Win!)

[strike wolf]

Which posts did I put out of order? I'm not seeing it.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Which posts did I put out of order? I'm not seeing it.

Yeah my bad. I went backwards through your posts while reading the thread. You didn't post out of order, I got mixed up.

I should've quoted each portion and addressed it, but I got lazy.

-Tails

[ga7]

I guess while not bringing new input I'll at least answer the argument on me.

Commander I find a bit ironic that you accuse me of not following the wagon on the guy you replaced. Does that mean you're scum after all?
I remember well how that went anyway and stand on my point. I wasn't saying it's impossible for Mandy to be scum, but the reasons some of you were wanting to lynch him were total WIFOM. Basically it was "Oh this guy claimed because he had a crazy theory about another guy being scum! He MUST be scum trying to fool us all day 1 into thinking he's a crazy townie attracting shitloads of attention!" Seriously... The post you quoted was after being fed up that several people pointing out the inanity of that wagon resulted in the wagonners completely ignoring it. I just thought Mandy was actually going to be lynched before the game was abandonned. Anyway I do recall being suspicious of Tails too but will try to read back during a break to recontextualize all this, don't remember that far back...

[ga7]

Lol reading Tails' answers to Strike's case, it does seem to be a bit selective. I had misread the whole Mandy role thing so if it was the reason I was suspicious of Tails it doesn't hold much obviously... I do recall being more suspicious of Karel though. Meh laterz

[aage]

"Oh this guy claimed because he had a crazy theory about another guy being scum! He MUST be scum trying to fool us all day 1 into thinking he's a crazy townie attracting shitloads of attention!"

Well, i suppose you know Mandy better than we do, so please do tell how credible this is

Anyways, since Mandy is gone and the replacement is also gone, I don't really know where we stand.

[strike wolf]

To note I am trying to read through and respond accordingly to your post ta1l I just don't have a computer right now so reading through and responding to long posts on my phone is rather frustrating.

[ga7]

"Oh this guy claimed because he had a crazy theory about another guy being scum! He MUST be scum trying to fool us all day 1 into thinking he's a crazy townie attracting shitloads of attention!"

Well, i suppose you know Mandy better than we do, so please do tell how credible this is

Anyways, since Mandy is gone and the replacement is also gone, I don't really know where we stand.

Metagaming is bad mkay, but I remember even pushing for his lynch when he was on one of his even worst moves, the lynching game "lynch this guy, if I'm wrong lynch me tomorrow", which ended up as him being town (same as me). I don't remember a single time where he was behaving like that and scum, but I haven't played in all his games either. I do remember that he seemed still active but less insane as scum at least. But anyway that's not really the point what he did and didn't since people can change their style from game to game, fact is that argument against him didn't make much sense.

[aage]

"Oh this guy claimed because he had a crazy theory about another guy being scum! He MUST be scum trying to fool us all day 1 into thinking he's a crazy townie attracting shitloads of attention!"

Well, i suppose you know Mandy better than we do, so please do tell how credible this is

Anyways, since Mandy is gone and the replacement is also gone, I don't really know where we stand.

Metagaming is bad mkay, but I remember even pushing for his lynch when he was on one of his even worst moves, the lynching game "lynch this guy, if I'm wrong lynch me tomorrow", which ended up as him being town (same as me). I don't remember a single time where he was behaving like that and scum, but I haven't played in all his games either. I do remember that he seemed still active but less insane as scum at least. But anyway that's not really the point what he did and didn't since people can change their style from game to game, fact is that argument against him didn't make much sense.

If metagaming is that bad, I think we should adress an argument that has already been put out there before, can't remember by who. If it had been anyone but mandy (say, me, edoc, tails, haggis) he'd have been dead by now. The only reason you trusted mandy was based on the metagaming you're claiming to be bad.
Can you elaborate on that?

[safariguy5]

Announcement

naxus has replaced Commander9.

PS. People, post damnit! Don't make me start sending pm's out already.

[naxus]

Confirm and will reread and post in the morning to catch up

[ga7]

If metagaming is that bad, I think we should adress an argument that has already been put out there before, can't remember by who. If it had been anyone but mandy (say, me, edoc, tails, haggis) he'd have been dead by now. The only reason you trusted mandy was based on the metagaming you're claiming to be bad.
Can you elaborate on that?

But this is what I've been saying, the only thing that would have happened if one of you had done it instead is that I would have been more surprised and thought, "wtf with this noob" I'm not trusting Mandy to the point I think he can only be town due to my experience with him, I just find it hell WIFOMy to lynch the guy because he had a role-related theory. Of course the theory makes no sense, but if we had a new move like Lynch all Liars (which doesn't even apply that often) that would be Lynch all that make No Sense, I don't think it would leave much room for lynching with another motive

[karelpietertje]

Could somebody just summarize what's happened in this thread? Who is up to date actually?

[nagerous]

Yeah I totally gotta re-read on this one, being replaced has completely put me out of the loop. I think I've lost my original PM too :-/

[edocsil]

Could somebody just summarize what's happened in this thread? Who is up to date actually?

No, you have to read.

[VioIet]

{Voices from the grave}

Could somebody just summarize what's happened in this thread? Who is up to date actually?

No, you have to read.

Hypocritical there edoc? Doing some metagaming here myself (I think meta-gaming is awesome) and in s.f. you asked for someone to summarize the game/argument for you because you didn't feel like going back and reading 2 or 3 pages.

This game is already beyond 20 pagaes, and you are telling karel to read it, when you don't even want to read back 2 or 3 pages. Interesting...

Not really worth me voting you or even FOS'ing you because I have nothing. But just wanted to comment.


Basically karel, Day 1 started with the typical funny joke vote stage. There were some OMUGUS votes thrown out there- mostly by me (it was my first game). Then Mandy gave a role claim and also gave an argument accusing pmc as scum.

Then I made a joke that was taken horribly horribly wrong, and I created a hole which I could not dig myself out of (it was my first game). I didn't believe in role claiming (it was my first game), so I didn't provide one, gave up, told everyone to lynch me.
I did however throw two hints out there- my character has been in several Quentin movies- and the only characters that fit are Rufus and two Deputies. Mandy was the only person who caught and understood this clue.
My second clue was that I had a role that would get me night killed and possibly reveal another pro-town role- thus probably getting that player NK as well.
I didn't know how to work my way around it with the roleclaim (it was my first game)

But despite the two clues- it was terribly played on my part (it was my first game). And the town lost a very valuable player.

I am back from the grave to get revenge on those who killed me. You will have to reckon with my ghost. No doubt most of those voting for me were scum. Which leads me to believe Mandy is most likely scum. He is one of the few who understood my claim- or lack thereof. If I keep inline with the theory he gave, all reoccurring characters in the Quentin movies are the good guys- in other words the townies. He also knew if I was scum, there was no reason for my behavior to unfold the way it did. Yet he still voted for me, knowing I was a townie. Can only mean he is scum.

Vote Mandy who was replaced by Commander who was replaced by Naxus.

Vote Naxus.

{Goes back to her grave}

[edocsil]

{Voices from the grave}

Could somebody just summarize what's happened in this thread? Who is up to date actually?

No, you have to read.

Hypocritical there edoc? Doing some metagaming here myself (I think meta-gaming is awesome) and in s.f. you asked for someone to summarize the game/argument for you because you didn't feel like going back and reading 2 or 3 pages.

This game is already beyond 20 pagaes, and you are telling karel to read it, when you don't even want to read back 2 or 3 pages. Interesting...

Not really worth me voting you or even FOS'ing you because I have nothing. But just wanted to comment.


Basically karel, Day 1 started with the typical funny joke vote stage. There were some OMUGUS votes thrown out there- mostly by me (it was my first game). Then Mandy gave a role claim and also gave an argument accusing pmc as scum.

Then I made a joke that was taken horribly horribly wrong, and I created a hole which I could not dig myself out of (it was my first game). I didn't believe in role claiming (it was my first game), so I didn't provide one, gave up, told everyone to lynch me.
I did however throw two hints out there- my character has been in several Quentin movies- and the only characters that fit are Rufus and two Deputies. Mandy was the only person who caught and understood this clue.
My second clue was that I had a role that would get me night killed and possibly reveal another pro-town role- thus probably getting that player NK as well.
I didn't know how to work my way around it with the roleclaim (it was my first game)

But despite the two clues- it was terribly played on my part (it was my first game). And the town lost a very valuable player.

I am back from the grave to get revenge on those who killed me. You will have to reckon with my ghost. No doubt most of those voting for me were scum. Which leads me to believe Mandy is most likely scum. He is one of the few who understood my claim- or lack thereof. If I keep inline with the theory he gave, all reoccurring characters in the Quentin movies are the good guys- in other words the townies. He also knew if I was scum, there was no reason for my behavior to unfold the way it did. Yet he still voted for me, knowing I was a townie. Can only mean he is scum.

Vote Mandy who was replaced by Commander who was replaced by Naxus.

Vote Naxus.

{Goes back to her grave}

Shit, your supposed to stay dead for a reason, I for one didn't catch what was going on with your hints.

On for the hypocrisy, I am asking someone to summarize their single argument so I don't put words in their mouth, much different then quicknotes from a whole game.

But please, stay dead, I have seen people blacklisted for less.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count
ga7-1 (Commander9)
tails-2 (strike wolf, edocsil)
naxus-1 (VioIet)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

By the way VioIet, you're playing a different role now, don't discuss what your other role's rationale.

nag, I'll resend your role pm.

[edocsil]

YEAG, Sorry violet, forgot you replaced.....

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I'm gonna keep my vote on AoG (or Sully now).

vote Sully

His (AoG) response to my vote on him was kinda lame:

Haha sorry. I know I'm active on the forum but I always forget about my Mafia Games.

I know my lack of sustenance might seem scummy but honestly, we have nothing to go on in this game. Every game I'm always active and trying to find scum and shit but instead people always believe me to be scum and I'm always lynched like Day 1 and it sucks. So I'm gonna try to not be as aggressive this game, but whatevski.

So far, I'm leaning to vote for Mandy. I don't trust his explanation from like 2 pages ago, and even if he isn't scum, we need something to work with since our Deputy literally handed us the noose on day 1. Right now we're pretty butt-fucked on evidence so: vote Mandy

Really he voted for mandy after the BW died off (yes yes I was on it for less as well), so I'm thinking he was just skimming and didn't really realize it. So I'll await Vic's response to gauge his scumminess. What ya got, Sully?

-Tails

[aage]

YEAG, Sorry violet, forgot you replaced.....

That still means that anything that has to do with information she had in her previous role should be kept silent.

[naxus]

OK. So i took over a crazy person and that caused some problems.

Mandy Claimed early day one and for somewhat slim but logical reasoning. With the way that voting was going, Mandy(Being Mr. White) believed that PMC was a possible Mr. Orange, who would either recruit, become lovers, or have some kind of activated power thing happen later on either turning Mandy into something he didn't want to be or giving PMC some kind of power(or with PMC being mr.orange, he thought he was a mafia spy)

The BW on mandy day two seems very thin to me reading back through. Reasons were either that mandy's logic lost people thinking he was scum trying some wierd tactic, or that he was scum by trying to claim early. Which is BS if you read the first post because mandy was trying to get a possible scum himself.

The Ga7 thing is somewhat strange but Ga7 knows mandys playstyle and backed off once he explained himself.


It felt like Tails was skimming and just posting to post so FOS Tails there

Aage seemed like he was just trying to lynch mandy but then he kept intentionally(at least seemed like that to me) screw with mandy's arguments or take certain parts out of context to make him seem scummier.

As Com9's replacement who replaced mandy, i'm gonna have to follow through with mandys original plan and Vote PMC

[safariguy5]

Vote Count
ga7-1 (Commander9)
tails-2 (strike wolf, edocsil)
naxus-1 (VioIet)
VioIet-1 (naxus)

pmchugh was replaced by vioIet, but I understood the intent so the vote stands.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[strike wolf]

Ok general apolgies for not posting much. I got wrapped up in another game and am going to try to be more active. Anyways, I felt that tails was suspicious by himself but what's tood out to me was that he took the time to defend karel more than once who by himself was acting suspicious.

[Victor Sullivan]

I'm gonna keep my vote on AoG (or Sully now).

vote Sully

His (AoG) response to my vote on him was kinda lame:

Haha sorry. I know I'm active on the forum but I always forget about my Mafia Games.

I know my lack of sustenance might seem scummy but honestly, we have nothing to go on in this game. Every game I'm always active and trying to find scum and shit but instead people always believe me to be scum and I'm always lynched like Day 1 and it sucks. So I'm gonna try to not be as aggressive this game, but whatevski.

So far, I'm leaning to vote for Mandy. I don't trust his explanation from like 2 pages ago, and even if he isn't scum, we need something to work with since our Deputy literally handed us the noose on day 1. Right now we're pretty butt-fucked on evidence so: vote Mandy

Really he voted for mandy after the BW died off (yes yes I was on it for less as well), so I'm thinking he was just skimming and didn't really realize it. So I'll await Vic's response to gauge his scumminess. What ya got, Sully?

-Tails

If I weren't AoG, I'd say that's pretty scummy. As of now, I've mostly read-up on the thread, but not well enough to know who to vote for. That's all for now. I will hopefully be posting more regularly in this thread soon, as soon as I finish reading...

-Sully/AoG

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Ok general apolgies for not posting much. I got wrapped up in another game and am going to try to be more active. Anyways, I felt that tails was suspicious by himself but what's tood out to me was that he took the time to defend karel more than once who by himself was acting suspicious.

I haven't defended karel once. I only mentioned him when I voted for aage, because at the time I thought it suspicious that he was all crazy for mandy, and then switched to karel. In retrospect, I can see his reasoning. Also, if you go by your post's standards, you should find AoG suspicious:

pg. 19

I don't think karel is scummy...he's trying to attack those who started the bandwagon on a cop, I guess. Honestly there wasn't anything wrong with the Violet lynch (she pretty much held up a sign that said "IM SCUM LYNCH ME PLOX").

-Tails

fastposted:

If I weren't AoG, I'd say that's pretty scummy. As of now, I've mostly read-up on the thread, but not well enough to know who to vote for. That's all for now. I will hopefully be posting more regularly in this thread soon, as soon as I finish reading...

-Sully/AoG

Haha ok well I'm still watching you.