GODFATHER MAFIA - FINALLY OVER! CORLEONES WIN!!!

[wicked]

yeah but the person who looks like a scum cop is / at this point. I think he's mafia cop.

[militant]

A Deputy is a role that begins as a Vanilla Townie with no knowledge of their special role.

So / is claiming deputy with knowledge of his role and knowledge of another cop? IS that right? Far-fetched. Deputy wouldn't have any info.

Meh, just because it is written in that wiki doesnt mean it is law. Nag could of modified it to fit the roles and the characters in the film. If the cop is scum as / is claiming then yes of course i am willing to "give it up".

Unvote, i just realised, if Fircoal is a scum cop, he claimed a town cop, he would have to give us his results, or claimed he has been blocked, so for now, i think he should live, and lets see what he says in the on Day 2.

[Talapus]

See, I'm not so sure. I know Fircoal claimed McCluskey and that guy was crooked. Nag seems to know his Godfather trivia pretty well, so I think odds are really good that Fircoal is scum. I'm not too sure though when he made his first appearence in the film...I'll check it out. Maybe Nag won't make Fircoal the bad cop until a certain time...regardless though, McClusky isn't the towns friend in the film.

[diddle]

Excellent summation rebel, well thought out and I agree about most points. Do you have any proof to support your theory of the specific families making the specific kills?

This cannot really be accurately decided. The most likely option is that Nagerous waited until he had all the days actions to write the death scenes (which would imply only 2 day killers). It is highly unlikely that the two day killers were both online and sending in their actions at around the same time. If by some miracle they were, then we could probably assume that they were in contact with each other.

Onto the more pressing matters....

My vote stays in Icedagger. "/" 's move was too risky for scum, unless he was a scum day cop, investigated Fircoal and got town cop. But even if this was the case, I imagine even he would be bright enough to relay the info to his fellow mafia to get an easy NK. So I believe "/". On the other hand, I don't think we should lynch Fircoal on a hunch. We should wait it out and see what they have to say tomorrow. Actually, where is Fircoal.....

[mandalorian2298]

Seen Fircoal browsing forum games a couple of times but he hasn't posted..

because I"m reading, and I'm slow because I get distracted by everything???

Anyway, all I know his some of what he says is right. I am Captain Mark Mcluskey, though I'm not scum, and I have no idea at all about what / is saying. I didn't get any other info in my pm besides my name, and that I was a pro-town cop. That's it.

Mandy the skimmer heh

Captain McCluskey — a corrupt police captain on Sollozzo's payroll.

He is either Scum or recruitable by Scum. Either way, he should go sleep with da fishes.

[/]

Whoa, so you're just willing to give up a cop? Didn't it say in the game rules that claiming names/roles would hurt the town? I'm pretty sure there's a protective role or two that can protect the claimed cops tonight. At least let the cops get some reads first to help us out here.

I don't think it's ever a good idea to lynch a claimed cop and anyone pushing for that reeks of scum. I find it really hard to believe that / is telling the entire truth based on the way he came out about it. I'd think if he was given partial information in a role, that it wouldn't be a sure thing like he's making it out to be.

My guess is / is a mafia day cop, which explains his delay in coming out with info. It fits better with the info he has and the timing. I bet he got a day read on fircola, so is using us to try to kill of the town cop.

that delay was because I was thinking about it when I got here, then there were two nearly simultaneous day kills, yeah, even if I'm a "noob" that doesn't mean I'm going to claim cop and out a mafia member WHILE there are kills going on.
also regarding Fircoal's name don't forget rule 16
"16. In regards to this game and claiming, I'm just warning you that it is dangerous. This is because some town names just generally cannot be trusted. Other roles don't even come with names so be very careful. I have done this deliberately to prevent a "mass claim" to help out the town."
anyways I will investigate Fircoal tonight I suppose, just to be sure, even though it seems like Ice needs to be investigated more at this point....

[Neoteny]

I have to agree with AD and tonk here. Particularly with the whole McClusky thing. Too bad my vote is practically useless ("I'm the baby, gotta love me") until someone else puts theirs on it. But for symbolic reasons...

Vote: Fircoal

[Selin]

Excellent summation rebel, well thought out and I agree about most points. Do you have any proof to support your theory of the specific families making the specific kills?

....

My vote stays in Icedagger. "/" 's move was too risky for scum, unless he was a scum day cop, investigated Fircoal and got town cop. But even if this was the case, I imagine even he would be bright enough to relay the info to his fellow mafia to get an easy NK. So I believe "/". On the other hand, I don't think we should lynch Fircoal on a hunch. We should wait it out and see what they have to say tomorrow. Actually, where is Fircoal.....

I fully agree with diddle.

[Selin]

A Deputy is a role that begins as a Vanilla Townie with no knowledge of their special role.

So / is claiming deputy with knowledge of his role and knowledge of another cop? IS that right? Far-fetched. Deputy wouldn't have any info.

/ not only claims to have knowledge on fircoal, but also says that he has investigating choice for tonight (he wants to investigate fircoal). It's clear that this is not a classical deputy role.

[wicked]

Right it's becoming more likely he's not a deputy, rather a mafia day cop. Look at the timing of it. Here's the likely scenario...

/ sends in his day investigation and gets back the info when Nag does all the day actions, i.e. after the day killing scenes. Then he comes out with this info and claims to be cop, asking for doc protection (nice touch!). If he had had this info in his role PM, which is highly unlikely to give a cop a target in their role, he would've come out sooner. There's no way he would know there were day actions unless he had one himself. The more I think about this, the more it all fits together and explains /'s actions.

[/]

geez, the day kills happened like less than an hour after I got here, I keep saying, I wasn't even planning on revealing my role unless there seemed to be a need for info, theres no deadlines, there were no kills, why would I claim the second I got here? I keep saying the I needed to get the info out before I was killed, so I waited to make sure the killers weren't still active, then I made my claim.
Anyways, the way that Wicked is pressuring this matter when it will be settled next phase make me believe that if fircoal is scum, then wicked is defiantly a teammate of his. I mean you say we should never lynch a claimed cop, but you seem to be trying to put me (also a claimed cop) on the gallows yourself.

[Selin]

Fircoal's character is for sure a corrupt cop working for Solozzo's in the trilogy. For me it's clear that we should lynch him, the main question is when?

If Fircoal investigates someone tonight and that person is a member of carleone's, he will share it with us in order to let us lynch that person! If that person is town, solozzo family will know the identity of a townie.

Any thoughts?

[icedagger]

Fircoal's character is for sure a corrupt cop working for Solozzo's in the trilogy. For me it's clear that we should lynch him, the main question is when?

If Fircoal investigates someone tonight and that person is a member of carleone's, he will share it with us in order to let us lynch that person! If that person is town, solozzo family will know the identity of a townie.

Any thoughts?

Nice idea but it doesn't work. If he was scum cop, and investigated someone and was under pressure himself, he would likely say they're scum even if they're town.

[rebelman]

ok i have read up on the last few pages and im afraid im none the wiser - i really think it would be crazy killing fircoal today even though we know who he is - every bone in my body tells me its too easy and im beginning to get an awful feeling that killing fircoal could seriously backfire - at least lets investigate him first .

It's still only day 1 so lets STOP THE FIRCOAL bandwagon for now. I still think icedagger is the best (of a bad bunch) of targets but at the risk of having the head biten off me so we can get on to the night investigation (this is page 44 of day 1)

UNVOTE VOTE NO LYNCH

[Selin]

ok i have read up on the last few pages and im afraid im none the wiser - i really think it would be crazy killing fircoal today even though we know who he is - every bone in my body tells me its too easy and im beginning to get an awful feeling that killing fircoal could seriously backfire - at least lets investigate him first .

It's still only day 1 so lets STOP THE FIRCOAL bandwagon for now. I still think icedagger is the best (of a bad bunch) of targets but at the risk of having the head biten off me so we can get on to the night investigation (this is page 44 of day 1)

UNVOTE VOTE NO LYNCH

the worst thing for the town is a no lynch on day 1. this was quiet suspicious rebelman.

[/]

I've very reluctant to end this with no lynch, as it stands the scum could have even more than two night kills in addition to their two day kills, but assuming this doesn't end with Fircoal, Ice, or I being lynched, I should investigate fircoal, and he should investigate Ice right?
Or how should it go to get the most accurate results?

[wicked]

I mean you say we should never lynch a claimed cop, but you seem to be trying to put me (also a claimed cop) on the gallows yourself.

Which is the only reason I haven't voted you.

You were under no pressure whatsoever to come forward and reveal anything. You were under no more danger than the rest of us to be NK'ed. It's hard to believe you all of the sudden freaked out and thought you were going to be NK'ed for some reason so had to come out. It's much more likely you got your daytime read and saw fircola was a town cop and you and your scum buddies derived this plan.

I've been (or played with? can't remember) a mafia day cop in a previous game, so know exactly how it works... and the presentation and timing of your info fits a mafia day cop to a T. granted I wouldn't have suggested coming out so soon, no matter which side you're on.

[/]

I mean you say we should never lynch a claimed cop, but you seem to be trying to put me (also a claimed cop) on the gallows yourself.

Which is the only reason I haven't voted you.

You were under no pressure whatsoever to come forward and reveal anything. You were under no more danger than the rest of us to be NK'ed. It's hard to believe you all of the sudden freaked out and thought you were going to be NK'ed for some reason so had to come out. It's much more likely you got your daytime read and saw fircola was a town cop and you and your scum buddies derived this plan.

I've been (or played with? can't remember) a mafia day cop in a previous game, so know exactly how it works... and the presentation and timing of your info fits a mafia day cop to a T. granted I wouldn't have suggested coming out so soon, no matter which side you're on.

that's just insane, if I was scum, why would I have alerted anyone? I would just wait until night then have him killed, but now that it is out in the open, a doc would protect him and he would survive, if anything I'm helping fircoal live longer with my actions.

[wicked]

BTW, this seems to be a similar setup to the other game I played with two mafias.... One was a "day" mafia and one was a "night" mafia. Both had mafia cops. I was with the day mafia and we got lucky and hit the night mafia cop early on, IIRC. Our WC for that game was to kill off the other mafia and outnumber the town (or something like that).

As town, our best bet is to lay low and let the two mafias hopefully kill off each other.

[wicked]

that's just insane, if I was scum, why would I have alerted anyone? I would just wait until night then have him killed, but now that it is out in the open, a doc would protect him and he would survive, if anything I'm helping fircoal live longer with my actions.

As I remmeber, you asked the doc to protect you.

[/]

there are 35 people here(though some are babies), there's probably more than one protective role, for now it's who the mafia(s) chose and who the doc(s) chose, in other words it's all up to luck that we get any results, anyways if either of us are killed and turn out to be innocent, that would just mean the other one of us is scum, no matter what happens we should get a result of sorts.
how about this, fircoal picks names from half the list and so do I, whichever one picks a doc gets protected. (unless that outs the doc in some way that I'm not noticing)

[nagerous]

Vote Count:

Firth (3)– Spurg, ga7, Selin
Mandy (1) – Fircoal
Baby Skittles! (1) – Lovo
Rebelman (3) Kernal_Kronic, The1exile, Fircoal,
Riggable (1) Mandalorian
IceDagger (7) Clive, Serbia, LSU, Gimpy, Iliad, Diddle, Wicked,
Fircoal (8) IceDagger, Tonka, Nark, f1fth, firth, Crab, Mandy, Baby Talapus, Baby Neoteny
No Lynch (1) Rebelman

With 31 1/2 votes in total it takes 16 for a lynch..

[dustn64]

I'm back. This 45 page day 1 is going to be a bitch to reread.

[rebelman]

the worst thing for the town is a no lynch on day 1. this was quiet suspicious rebelman.

ok unvote

[rebelman]

i actually think fircoal's character is a townie one not a scum - id have to watch the film again to be sure but dont forget based on the first post this game seems to have 3 groups - 2 mafia families and the townies - yes many of the townies are crooked/nasty too eg the senator and the archbishop but they are still townies. mccluskey never alligned with one of the families what he did was act as a bodyguard for the drug trafficker Sollozzo, but that would still make him a townies based on three groups logic ie 2 scum families and the rest townies - theres every chance nag has made him a paronid cop or something like that (which would be in keeping with the movie) but hes definitly a "town role"

if i was to speculate i reckon / is Sergeant Joe Galtosino if this is the case then it would make sense for him to know the identity of mccluskey and like fircoal i suspect he is also a townie cop of some sort (even if he too is on the payroll of the tattaglia family which for the purposes of this game im speculating makes him town. If my apprasil is correct and they both are some sort of town cops im big time pissed off with / for revealing their identies but the last thing we should do is lynch one of them which brings us back to the paper thin case against ice dagger so

unvote vote icedagger