Double Fanucci Mafia (4/14) Endgame

[StorrZerg]

Let me rephrase your pushing. You are pushing the person with more votes, and a large number of people saying he is/was scummy.

You clearly didn't push on strike, even though he was the most vocal against nos lately.

Then when questioned about strike you call him scummy. So yes it looks like you are taking an easy path to call anyone scum that is against the doc.
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[Army of GOD]

Let me rephrase your pushing. You are pushing the person with more votes, and a large number of people saying he is/was scummy.

You clearly didn't push on strike, even though he was the most vocal against nos lately.

Then when questioned about strike you call him scummy. So yes it looks like you are taking an easy path to call anyone scum that is against the doc.
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because I know the strike vote has no legs. In a vacuum I would've thrown a vote on him but I know there won't be enough of a wagon for him to be eventually lynched. So I'm putting a vote on one of the players who (a) I think is scummy and (b) has a chance of being lynched


and just because it's the easy path makes me scummy? I'm all about taking the easy path, regardless of my alignment. NoS is like 95% sure to be the town doc given that no one has counter claimed him. Anyone who thinks otherwise has to make a damn good argument against that or else they seem very scummy (strike hasn't made a damn good argument yet)

[StorrZerg]

Does your wincon match what nos gave?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

NoS is like 95% sure to be the town doc given that no one has counter claimed him. Anyone who thinks otherwise has to make a damn good argument against that or else they seem very scummy (strike hasn't made a damn good argument yet)

There are 174 cards in a double fanucci deck. There are NOT 174 unique roles.

Can people please stop altering this to be a different set up. Yes there are 14 unique roles in mafia. Yes in a vanilla game not everyone has power roles. This is not either of those. This is a closed random set up with 174 cards. There are basically infinite possibilities.

*Sigh* Ok yes 95% chance of actually being doc. I call BS, there is no way the chance is that high.

[virus90]

while back from a fun few days. ready for some fun last days of day 1. wow am i craving for the end of this ever lasting day 1.

well as you all know i would have loved to lynch streaker a week ago. But although i dont like playing the wincon game it does give him town creds, so im moving on my vote later in this post.
As for who streaker scored points on: NoS i dont want to lynch him today. (as mentioned before). I think a doc is possible and let mafia handle it then preferably. there is no counterclaim so maybe its right. i can agree that the full claim might be different but then again. we might see some hard evidence (dead people) during the lynch and night and we might be able to make a bit more from this. so i prefer not to play the different win con game now.

as to whom to vote i go with wing.
posts like these bother me:

Rishaed and NoS - Two strong mafia reads leaping straight to Streakers defence.

*Sigh* Ok yes 95% chance of actually being doc. I call BS, there is no way the chance is that high.

i get that he is attacked but these in my opinion do not help much, they dont give much information either.
well the first 1 kind of does, wing reads streaker rishaed and nos as scum. But that bothered me aswell as i have different opinions.

unvote vote wing
aswell because its the first vote that is joined by a reasoanble number of others that i actually feel ok with.

[virus90]

think its L2 now. ? (on quick scan)
that should be enough presure i guess.
thought about getting my vote of cause people might jump to do a quick lynch, but 2 people jumping to kill 1 town day 1 ... well that would be so stupid that i dont see it happening.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

That hurts Virus, I thought we agreed on things here

Yup that is L-2. Enough pressure for what? To see me lynched?

[StorrZerg]

Virus you know you are pushing for a claim on the guy who wanted is ok with Madd claiming?

[StorrZerg]

Ffss.. mass claiming *

[StorrZerg]

Also you can't honestly like aog push...

[rishaed]

Why Mass Claiming is Bad D1

Wing, while I understand your concern of there being another doc, I think there are in fact more than enough different power roles for 14 person mafia games.

There are 174 cards in a double fanucci deck. There are NOT 174 unique roles.

Can people please stop altering this to be a different set up. Yes there are 14 unique roles in mafia. Yes in a vanilla game not everyone has power roles. This is not either of those. This is a closed random set up with 174 cards. There are basically infinite possibilities.

We do not know the balance of mafia/town
We do not know whether there is a third party
We do not know the strength of power roles

Its that last point which I have been pushing. If we analyse the possibility of having a town doc in isolation we will all perceive it differently depending upon the strength of our own role. It doesnt help us think clearly.

A massclaim is something different as it gives us 14 datapoints to analyse and actually form evidenced opinions about that third question.

The mafia will more than likely have a good idea about the first question and depending upon how much they know about each other they may know more about the third question than us.

This is not me trying to push NoS, its me trying to stop you all overthinking on the basis of a tiny proportion of the information. And yes StrikeWolf, I can be highly analytical when I want to be, I'm an engineer I am always analytical, that has nothing to do with whether I am town though.

We are all fools sometimes, child, but a wise one learns to limit how often.
Suggesting Mass Claim D1?! Great lets give Mafia the best targets for the rest of the game.
Strike was replying to my question about your play. And found it lacking.
Reckless haste leads to ruin, Balwer.
Also its the only information we have.

We are all fools sometimes, child, but a wise one learns to limit how often.
Trying not to repeat quotes... but this fits so well....
Storr are you serious?! MassClaim Desire on D1 is horrible for town. It's a last resort cause we have nothing to trust and nothing to go off of. I seriously think you've lost it. First time I was like 'K whatever... now ... You should know this by now, and the only people benefiting from mass claim D1 is Mafia. On later days... It might be something that town has to do.
Look at first bold. By wings own admission we have almost infinite possibilities on whats in this game apart from prolly standard stuff like doc/cop. So why are you pushing Massclaim support on D1 like its a good thing? unvote vote Storr unvote Vote WingCMDR

[StorrZerg]

The point is he is confident . A scum would not suggest mass claim. I'm not saying I agree with mass claim , I just don't see a mafia in this setup to be so forthcoming

[StorrZerg]

Also why put him to L-1?

[Metsfanmax]

I'm curious to see how this thing with Wing turns out, but I stand by my vote on Hotshot. Originally it was not that strong, but he made himself look scummier with like every post he made. Sorry that I haven't gone into more detail, the last couple days were busy for me.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

He hasnt. He unvoted me, to vote you, to unvote, to vote me.

fp'd by Mets

[StorrZerg]

O.. wing, you claiming? I hope it's spectacular

[strike wolf]

To be fair, I didnt see this day ending without a Wing claim even if Virus hadnt put him at l-2. Translation: claim please.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Rolecop. I win when the threat of Mafia is eliminated.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

To be fair, I didnt see this day ending without a Wing claim even if Virus hadnt put him at l-2. Translation: claim please.

I wish people had just asked. I look at the list of people voting on me and its the who's who of suspected scum, and see no reason to comply with their demands. Yourself, Virus and Mets are the reason I revealed my claim. I believe all three of you are town. You three could see me lynched if you so choose. That is your choice.

[StorrZerg]

O Rolf I kinda believe you.

Question is, do you have the balls as mafia to claim your mafia role?

Secondly your wincon explicitly states mafia.

Are you 3rd party?

[virus90]

well i wanted to see you claim, the game kind of was stalled around you and i saw no reason why it would be any different soon. I think it was either claim or get lynched in 2 days and i prefer it that you claimed.
but:

why are you so keen on lynching the claimed doc, while you could easily check him night 1?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@Storr -Town - my wincon explicitly states Mafia. This is different to the example wincons given on mafiawiki for C9, where it is all threats. Given that there may be vigilantist or third party threats it seems pertinent to note that it explicitly states Mafia.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9

@Virus - If I rolecop checked him N1 and came back and said he was Mafia would anyone listen to me when I have clearly pushed NoS hard day1? I doubt it. I do not see a claim at this stage to be that reliable given that it cannot be counter claimed for the reasons I have repeatedly stated.

[strike wolf]

Whats the name of your character?

Role cop is an interesting claim. I tend to feel you are telling the truth as far as that much. The complication is that it is a role that is sometimes given to mafia. Your win condition also looks different significantly from NoS. NoS' would suggest multiple factions of scum, yours suggest just mafia. Ultimately, I am currently leaning slight town pending your role name

As far as a few updated reads outside you and NoS:

1. Streaker-town for previously mentioned reasons regarding the win condition.

2. Storr-town. Hes pushing the game forward and despite somr disagreement between hus, his logic has been mostly reasonable.

3. Hotshot-I had been leaning more town but I am back to more neutral after his last few posts.

4. AoG-slight scum.

5. Virus- he has this weird way of making me forget hes in the game and then just catching my attention all at once.

[Streaker]

Actually if you checked him N1 you'd have a very strong case either way. If he checks out you'd be able to read the votes and counter-arguments. If he checks a liar, then you could come forth.
Second option worst case is you get lynched, after which the mafia goes down. Yada yada, short story is I'd still like to see you lynched after that claim.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@ Strike - 4 of Zurfs. Is that the character name? I'm new to this bit, I've only ever played C9 versions.