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[spiesr]

The previous vote count was on the last page. If updated it would presumably look something like this:

Victor 2 votes: Haggis, GA
fir 2 votes: spiesr and vio
Mr. Squirrel 1 vote: Mr. Squirrel
spiesr 1 vote: TA1LGUNN3R

[VioIet]

Okay, thanks spiers!

I was worried the vote count would look worse than that. Don't know why everyone is voting a confirmed townie, but oh well.

[aage]

Okay, thanks spiers!

I was worried the vote count would look worse than that. Don't know why everyone is voting a confirmed townie, but oh well.

Who's the confirmed towny?

[Haggis_McMutton]

I personally would think that a roleclaim might be the only this that could convince me either way at this point.

I'm not gonna claim on such weak evidence. Here's about the scummiest thing Victor said:

Those were good times, eh, Haggis? Ah... Anyways, back to the business at hand. I disagree with your points, but arguing against them would just be pointless, as these arguments would be based on pure opinion and little fact. Still investigating who to suspect for a lynch.

When Haggis made a case against Vic, this was his response. Basically he does nothing to defend himself. Fircoal also asks him to defend himself, and he still doesn't. It's hard to say what Vic what do, but imo any person who is scum would at least try and come up with some half-assed excuses. Maybe that's wifom but there you go.

To continue with my thoughts from earlier: vote spiesr.

-Tails

I'm glad you agree that was scummy.
As I pointed out before every serious post Victor made in this game was scummy.

That doesn't convince me your town-aligned, though, herk. Aren't roleblockers statistically mafia-aligned? unvote vote theherkman. Maybe my vote will get recorded right this time

Roleblockers are usually scum ... sure

...says theherkman from beyond the grave even though HE'S F*CKING DEAD AND IT'S COMPLETELY IMPROBABLE THAT HE'D BE ABLE TO SPEAK FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE!!!!!!!!! Your flesh tasted like chicken, the kind of person you are, dear. It's rather fortunate that you died, I was just preparing the divorce papers. They taste better than your cooking, at least. Sorry, I'm just simply going on a rant and talking to a DEAD PERSON. Anyways, pip pip cheerio and vote DrewDude.

-Sully

P.S. maim what's left of theherkman

Hop on the drew waggon, right behind Flores, don't bother to give a reason.

I'm back and it seems people are once again facing my direction as a nice candidate to lynch. Take a good look at those who've been band-wagoning herk and I. I'd bet you'd find the scum votes within them if you looked hard enough. Being inconsistent even when I said I loved being scummy? Sounds like a waste of oxygen to have such a conversation. Instead of looking at the most obvious people you should take a look at who's using the obvious people as a shield. Now did I throw Herk under the bus? Yes. Would my vote have changed much if I didn't vote for him? Probably not. Like I said i'm not a fan of wasting time so if you wish to know anymore about me before a lynch occurs feel free to ask. You should investigate more before you decide to put the noose around my neck.

For my vote I'll go for the person that voted me first for this day.

Vote FloresDelMal

This is not a claim...

We had been talking about Drew's double voter claim for a few pages by this point, skimming I guess.

He/you still is the best case.

[DrewDude]

I don't think there's much of a reason to question my role anymore but you may question which side I am affiliated with all you want but in the meantime victor sounds like a good lynch but let's see if anyone else has another alternative lynch.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

That doesn't convince me your town-aligned, though, herk. Aren't roleblockers statistically mafia-aligned? unvote vote theherkman. Maybe my vote will get recorded right this time

Roleblockers are usually scum ... sure

Are they not? Can't say I've had a lot of experience with roleblockers. It also seems like a town roleblocker would be detrimental to town, because unless they had a pretty good idea of who the scum were, they would just be hindering town investigations, etc. Seems like a roleblocker would be a better play on the scum side.

...says theherkman from beyond the grave even though HE'S F*CKING DEAD AND IT'S COMPLETELY IMPROBABLE THAT HE'D BE ABLE TO SPEAK FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE!!!!!!!!! Your flesh tasted like chicken, the kind of person you are, dear. It's rather fortunate that you died, I was just preparing the divorce papers. They taste better than your cooking, at least. Sorry, I'm just simply going on a rant and talking to a DEAD PERSON. Anyways, pip pip cheerio and vote DrewDude.

-Sully

P.S. maim what's left of theherkman

Hop on the drew waggon, right behind Flores, don't bother to give a reason.

Right, because he wished to be that blatant.

We had been talking about Drew's double voter claim for a few pages by this point, skimming I guess.

It's Victor.

So are defending spiesr at this point? It would be pretty easy and not too obvious that it was defense.

I don't think there's much of a reason to question my role anymore but you may question which side I am affiliated with all you want but in the meantime victor sounds like a good lynch but let's see if anyone else has another alternative lynch.

No one was questioning your role. Don't worry. I was just merely curious as to whether you stole someone's vote at night (politician) or just always had two votes. Pretty straightforward question. But that's okay you can go ahead and jump on my bandwagon if you want (there's a ton of evidence!!). Or vote for the cop, whichever you prefer.

-Tails

[safariguy5]

Ok, I think we should consider spiesr under suspicion since multiple people have brought that up too. I think we should consider lynching one and investigating the other.

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Vote count

TA1LGUNN3R 2 votes: Haggis, GA
fir 2 votes: spiesr and vio
Mr. Squirrel: 1 vote; Mr. Squirrel
spiesr: 1 vote: TA1LGUNN3R

deadline saturday, 6 to lynch
Need replace for xuereb, don't think camping_killer is available

[Fircoal]

Vote: Speisr The deadline is coming up and I think it'd be quite stupid to end up with a no lynch. Out of Tails and Speisr I believe it's more likely that the latter is scum, and thus I'll vote him.

[VioIet]

Vote: Speisr The deadline is coming up and I think it'd be quite stupid to end up with a no lynch. Out of Tails and Speisr I believe it's more likely that the latter is scum, and thus I'll vote him.

If your goal is simply to get a lynch, then wouldn't you be more likely to vote Tails? Placing a vote on spiers (townie) is just getting us into a deadlock.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Vote: Speisr The deadline is coming up and I think it'd be quite stupid to end up with a no lynch. Out of Tails and Speisr I believe it's more likely that the latter is scum, and thus I'll vote him.

If your goal is simply to get a lynch, then wouldn't you be more likely to vote Tails? Placing a vote on spiers (townie) is just getting us into a deadlock.

lol if spiesr is town as you so adamantly proclaim, repaeated inistience thereof w//out some sor t of evidence doews nothing to help him. It just appears that you're defenindg him as a teammmate. Do you have some reason to belive (or konw) that spiesr is town? Preferably something that town can bleiev e inas well? Also your advocacy of antoehr "suspect" gives the imporession that you'r trying desperately to divesrt attention to antoher person who would be lynched.

-Tails

[Haggis_McMutton]

Vote: Speisr The deadline is coming up and I think it'd be quite stupid to end up with a no lynch. Out of Tails and Speisr I believe it's more likely that the latter is scum, and thus I'll vote him.

If your goal is simply to get a lynch, then wouldn't you be more likely to vote Tails? Placing a vote on spiers (townie) is just getting us into a deadlock.

lol if spiesr is town as you so adamantly proclaim, repaeated inistience thereof w//out some sor t of evidence doews nothing to help him. It just appears that you're defenindg him as a teammmate. Do you have some reason to belive (or konw) that spiesr is town? Preferably something that town can bleiev e inas well? Also your advocacy of antoehr "suspect" gives the imporession that you'r trying desperately to divesrt attention to antoher person who would be lynched.

-Tails

Drunk?

Also, Violet, if you're hinting at what I think you're hinting at I suggest you spell it out very soon.

[spiesr]

Oh shit, there is a deadline for tomorrow?! I didn't see that sneaking up on us. To attempt to deflect my lynch I had better make my claim now while it is still possible to lynch someone else.
I am the Maître d' a watcher.
Night 1 I watched Mr. Squirrel and nobody visited him.
Night 2 I "received a raise" and was able to watch two people. I watched DrewDude, whom nobody visited, and ga7, whom Victor Sullivan visited.
Night 3 I watched Fircoal, whom nobody visited.

This is why I was have been hesitant about lynching Victor/TA1LGUNN3R, I saw that he visited ga7 and that wasn't killed. He could still have been mafia with some power other than killing though, so when attention was turned to him today, I wanted him to claim, hoping that if he was scum that he would lie about his action and I could catch him and disprove his claim. This is also why that when aage claimed cop, I obsessed over the details of who he investigated on which night. If he had said that ga7 was on night 2, then I would know that he was lying.

As for what do we do now, I am not really sure. My plan if checking TA1LGUNN3R's claim won't work now that he knows about it. For what it is worth, Victor did send in an action on night 2, and he didn't kill anybody with it. I still have suspicions about Fircoal, but my case my proven to be inadequate. Haggis still doesn't seem like he should be a vanilla survivor to me, but serial killer looks unlikely at this point, so lynching him may not be that good of an idea.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Drunk?

Well I can verify spiesr's watching abilities. Vic did indeed visit ga7 on N2. N1 he targeted xuereb. In deference to the deadline, I will follow suit and claim, since I suppose I'm next on the chopping block. I am the health inspector, in the restaurant for a surprise inspection. My role, I guess, was to countermand the poisoning actions of herk and flores. Basically I take each person aside (I believe that this may roleblock ) and question their cooking habits. N3 Vic targeted no one, because I'm assuming (at least this is why I think so) that it's implausible that there would be more than 2 poisoners.

Alive

1.xuereb deadbeat, no read
2.VioIet Maybe has some town-related info, most likely town
3.aage obvious

5.ga7 cleared
6.Fircoal don't know for sure, town read
7.Victor Sullivan TA1LGUNN3R me!
8.Mr. Squirrel same as chu, most likely town

10.DrewDude obvious
11.safariguy5 cleared
12.spiesr claimed, is believable

14.Haggis_McMutton no threat to town

Also unvote. At this point I don't have a candidate. Will propose one later.

-Tails

[ga7]

Spiesr's claim does make sense to me, Tails' one I have more doubts. It sounds real freaking vague. I think it could almost fit a mafia framer. The fact he's not an actual employee makes me tick too. The fact he's "guessing" it was related to poisoners just doesn't make sense.
I think even if we don't go through with his lynch it'd be better to put Tails ahead votes wise (and obviously unvote Spiesr) so that we don't get a bad surprise.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Spiesr's claim is solid. Tails is fishy, but I don't know whether to deadline lynch him or not. I'm also suspicious of vio mostly because of her baseless accusations against me (which only ceased after she figured out my role).

I will think about it later though and post again.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Tails claims a role that not only is not part of the staff, but also is so "imaginative" as to ensure that no one could possibly counter claim him.

What roles have we had so far? Cook,Waitress,Manager, Maitre whatever. All of them part of staff, all of them reasonable, all of them could be counterclaimed. What does he claim? health inspector ...

Also the ability itself seems pretty clearly tailored to fit the facts of the game imo, the same mistake I made in the briasburg game and was called out for. It all fits too neatly.

Lastly, if he somehow is actually telling the truth, at this point he is basically vanilla, correct?

I am more sure than ever that he is lying, come on people, it's definitely a good lynch, don't leave this to the fate of /'s coin ...

[spiesr]

Vic did indeed visit ga7 on N2. N1 he targeted xuereb. In deference to the deadline, I will follow suit and claim, since I suppose I'm next on the chopping block. I am the health inspector, in the restaurant for a surprise inspection. My role, I guess, was to countermand the poisoning actions of herk and flores. Basically I take each person aside (I believe that this may roleblock ) and question their cooking habits. N3 Vic targeted no one, because I'm assuming (at least this is why I think so) that it's implausible that there would be more than 2 poisoners.

Something that I noticed. Does the bold part contradict this earlier statement?

He didn't miss any actions, which I found to be the most unbelievable.

Does "targeted no one" imply that Victor did not send any action, or that he sent an pm saying something along the lines of "I do not use my powers tonight?"
It looks like there are 2 possibilities.
1. TA1LGUNN3R has contradicted himself.
2. Victor chose not to use any action night 3.
In the second case, I must ask why? Even if he assumed that the power he thought he had was no longer of any use, why not use it anyway just to be safe? TA1LGUNN3R also thinks that his role my have the effect of role blocking. If that was the case, then why would Victor choose not use try and block someone with his power on night 3?
Also it seems odd that TA1LGUNN3R seems not to actually know what his power is. I can see a role having details that are kept secret from its owner, but it appears as if TA1LGUNN3R claims to have had no explanation of what exactly his powers do. It looks like he is saying that all he was told is that he is a health inspector who can "take each person aside and question their cooking habits." The rest he says is basically guess work as to what that does. This doesn't make any sense to me. Why would you have a role where you have an action that is only explained with flavor text so you don't know actually know what it does? This isn't some crazy Fircoal game.
All in all, I think that TA1LGUNN3R is our best candidate to lynch at this point in time. Unvote Vote TA1LGUNN3R

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Well I'm not exactly sure about the roleblocking part. Just the way it's worded sounded like it could do that. And spiesr, Victor sent in a N3 action for "no action". So perhaps he feared blocking the cop or other town role, I don't know. And personally if I didn't have a good read on scum, I would treat roleblocker like a town vig. Ga7 could elaborate as to whether I actually roleblock. That was just me surmising with the little facts I have. The fact that herk was unaware he was a poisoner and delusional I think can soften the incredulity of my role. I was trying to be as helpful as possible because with spiesr in the clear, obviously I'm next.

-Tails

[safariguy5]

Man, ionno about the claims, but tail's analysis doesn't really seem to implicate anyone as a possible mafia member. I find it hard to believe that he doesn't find anyone a bit suspicious.

[Mr. Squirrel]

vote tails
Spiesr, I didn't even notice that. Good Catch.

Haggis, yes I agree. The specifics of his role just seem a little off. Not that I doubt that a health inspector could exist, but the actions and the role itself just seems off. Maybe he actually is a health inspector, but is seeking to close the resteraunt or something like that. It could be a scum role, easily.

Well I'm not exactly sure about the roleblocking part. Just the way it's worded sounded like it could do that.

Wouldn't that be a good thing to ask the mod? Personally, if I was even the least bit unsure as to what my role could do, I wouldn't use it. The fact that you didn't ask to clarify means you are either lying or just careless.

[ga7]

Yep good catch clearly several things don't match up, let's get these 2 votes before deadline!

[safariguy5]

unvote vote tails, gotta go with the evidence and frenchie here.

[VioIet]

Vote: Speisr The deadline is coming up and I think it'd be quite stupid to end up with a no lynch. Out of Tails and Speisr I believe it's more likely that the latter is scum, and thus I'll vote him.

If your goal is simply to get a lynch, then wouldn't you be more likely to vote Tails? Placing a vote on spiers (townie) is just getting us into a deadlock.

lol if spiesr is town as you so adamantly proclaim, repaeated inistience thereof w//out some sor t of evidence doews nothing to help him. It just appears that you're defenindg him as a teammmate. Do you have some reason to belive (or konw) that spiesr is town? Preferably something that town can bleiev e inas well? Also your advocacy of antoehr "suspect" gives the imporession that you'r trying desperately to divesrt attention to antoher person who would be lynched.

-Tails

I think the events/posts of today have shed light on this.
Also if you recall that conversation between me and squirrel a few days back-It was very telling without being overly blatant.
I think proof was given in a subtle but understandable way.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

And spiesr, Victor sent in a N3 action for "no action".

Victor sent in all his "actions." He specifically stated that he didn't want to target anybody on N3.

Wouldn't that be a good thing to ask the mod? Personally, if I was even the least bit unsure as to what my role could do, I wouldn't use it. The fact that you didn't ask to clarify means you are either lying or just careless.

Herk would have been unaware of the results of his targeting. It would've ruined it if he specifically asked the mod what his role did. Now I'm kicking myself for even mentioning that, it was pure speculation. I just thought that my role was indeed useless and "vanilla" without the poisoners in the game, so there had to have been more dimension to it. The flavor wording was odd.

-Tails