Periodic Table Mafia: Nonmetals (TOWN) win

[vodean]

no survivors: selenium (Se), VT (day 1)
safariguy: xenon (Xe), VT (day 1)
gillipig: helium (He), VT (day 2)
vodean: Argon (Ar), VT (day 2)
Jonty125: Nitrogen (N), ? (day 2)
Doomyoshi: Oxygen (0), VT (day 2)
Dukasaur: Krypton (Kr), VT (day 2)
Sempaispellcheck: Carbon (C), ? (day2)
thehippo8: Radon (Rn), VT (day2)
thechuck51: Neon, ??????? (day2)
/: Phosphorous 1-shot cop(day 2)

silicon was godfather, sulfur was VT, carbon was cop, nitrogen was VT, and we know flourine is SK.

so we know for a fact that VTs are not limited to noble gases, and we can assume that there is scum in the noble gases. which puts us at square 1, unless anyone has info.

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Cop, 1 shot.

have you used it yet? if not, then this is where the doc (if we have one) should go.

hmm, I'm not sure if I should say at the moment, typically isn't it better to keep scum guessing as long as possible in an open setup?
if I say I didn't, the scum role-blocker (if applicable) will be on me every night making me useless.
if I say I did, scum wouldn't have to worry about me catching them directly, and shift their kills to others hoping that they hit the cleared person before it comes down to it.

I could be wrong though, I'll think it over when I'm less tired before saying.

[samgrossy]

Vote Count, Day 3.1

Not Voting - (9) Vodean, NoSurvivors, thechcuk51, DoomYoshi, Dukasaur, safariguy5, Gillipig, /, thehippo8,

To make gameplay easier for players, the player(s) closest to lynch at the time of vote count will be in red bold

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline for Day 3 is 10 PM EST, November 8th. That's 10 days from now.

[safariguy5]

Cop, 1 shot.

This actually says quite a bit.

Assuming / is telling the truth, that means that we have to have this setup:

T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

Because we have a cop who's dead and 1 claimed 1-shot cop, the investigative roles breakdown as so:

Either

CCC = Cop, 1-Shot Cop

or

CCCCC = 2 Cops, 1-Shot Cop

With 4 anti town roles plus 1 for sure VT and at least 2 cops, that puts the accounted for roles at either 7 or 6 depending on whether we have 2 sane cops.

VTs Confirmed:
Betiko- Sulfur (Dead)
jonty- Nitrogen (Dead)

That means the probable suspects are:
no survivors: selenium (Se), VT (day 1)
safariguy: xenon (Xe), VT (day 1)
gillipig: helium (He), VT (day 2)
vodean: Argon (Ar), VT (day 2)
Doomyoshi: Oxygen (0), VT (day 2)
Dukasaur: Krypton (Kr), VT (day 2)
thehippo8: Radon (Rn), VT (day2)
thechuck51: Neon, ??????? (day2)

I'm pretty sure chuck is going to claim VT, although that's not a guarantee.

So, out of those 8, 3 are anti town, 4 for sure are VT, and 1 could be VT or could be a cop.

I would actually say that we should hang one of the Noble Gas VT's as clearly that's not a clear indication that the person is VT. That means our best leads today are:

safariguy: xenon (Xe), VT (day 1)
gillipig: helium (He), VT (day 2)
vodean: Argon (Ar), VT (day 2)
Dukasaur: Krypton (Kr), VT (day 2)
thehippo8: Radon (Rn), VT (day2)
thechuck51: Neon, ??????? (day2)

Doesn't limit our choices much, but some clarity is better than none. I'll be honest, chuck taking so long to claim makes me want to vote him, but I'm open to any suggestions. Of course, I will argue that I'm town, but I realize that doesn't hold much weight. In the interest of custom though, I will say that I'm town.

[DoomYoshi]

Chuck is roleblocker or doctor.

[DoomYoshi]

Sorry.

First thing, saf is reading the tables backwards. A lot of VTs means more Ts, not just 1 T. Also, we know that CCC is not possible, because there would be no SK. I said my last comment because I forgot that the SK can be 1-shot bulletproof. So, if thechuck is NOT a roleblocker or doctor, that means 100% that the mafia know who the SK is.

[vodean]

from my perspective (though these people are only at the top of my list from what little we have on everyone on the short list), i want to look into chuck for postponing, hippo (hes been acting strange in every game, but less so in this one).

scum dont need to know who SK is. because of order of actions, if SK targeted godfather, scum get no action.

[Dukasaur]

I'm pissed off at all of you for railing betiko. He seemed to me to be working really hard, and even if he confused himself and got some stuff wrong, it all seemed to be due to honest confusion rather than being caught in a lie. I was on the road during the crucial two days and wasn't here to speak up, so I guess I have to blame myself as well.

I don't know why we ever let gillipig off the hook. He is still my number 1 suspect. Hippo also seems a bit "off" to me, but not enough to quite start accusing him yet.

[thehippo8]

Maybe it's just me but I'm getting really weird vibes from NoS. Maybe he's just being very careful but he seems, well, too "nice" and it is creeping me out! As to others who are wondering what I'm up to, I'm reeling a little from this game. Every time I think I might have a case it slips away. Consequentially I am more stand-offish than usual. It's hard to consider the various Meta, Wifom and general confusion going on. But I'd be interested in hearing whether anyone else are getting "vibes" from NoS. For instance, at the end of yesterday he was saying things like "Agreed.. based on that.. I have a bad feeling we lynched the wrong dude.." to my comment that I believed the lynch was wrong. And at the beginning of this day he says "Good grief! we definitely have a fluorine on our hands..". I agree this all seem "normal" but I just don't know. Again, probably not good enough for a case but I thought I better let you all know what my thoughts are.

[vodean]

Maybe it's just me but I'm getting really weird vibes from NoS. Maybe he's just being very careful but he seems, well, too "nice" and it is creeping me out! As to others who are wondering what I'm up to, I'm reeling a little from this game. Every time I think I might have a case it slips away. Consequentially I am more stand-offish than usual. It's hard to consider the various Meta, Wifom and general confusion going on. But I'd be interested in hearing whether anyone else are getting "vibes" from NoS. For instance, at the end of yesterday he was saying things like "Agreed.. based on that.. I have a bad feeling we lynched the wrong dude.." to my comment that I believed the lynch was wrong. And at the beginning of this day he says "Good grief! we definitely have a fluorine on our hands..". I agree this all seem "normal" but I just don't know. Again, probably not good enough for a case but I thought I better let you all know what my thoughts are.

good point. NoS is Sk, you are scum. vote NoS

[NoSurvivors]

Lolwut? Code comes to the most random assumptions ever, but me being nice just means. I generally have nothing to worry about. I've found it works better in getting people to side with me if I haven't been acting crazy all day. But if you guys really think I'm a scum, knock yourselves out. I think hippo might be the scum, but idk. Weird vibes about him..

[vodean]

Lolwut? Code comes to the most random assumptions ever, but me being nice just means. I generally have nothing to worry about. I've found it works better in getting people to side with me if I haven't been acting crazy all day. But if you guys really think I'm a scum, knock yourselves out. I think hippo might be the scum, but idk. Weird vibes about him..

oh wow, what a cute smiley. you must be town.

[thechuck51]

I am Neon, VT.

we know there was a godfather and it seems pretty likely that there is a SK (1 shot BP)

TTTTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

With 1 cop confirmed we had to have at least CC and we know T =/= 7

So T=5, or 1

with slash's claim we must have CCC so T=/=5

T then must equal 1 which would mean we have to have more power roles but we've only had VT claims which means 1-3 players are hiding their power role or / is lying about his. i think T=5 and / is lying. vote /

If my logic regarding what T equals is wrong please let me know and I will unvote

[DoomYoshi]

from my perspective (though these people are only at the top of my list from what little we have on everyone on the short list), i want to look into chuck for postponing, hippo (hes been acting strange in every game, but less so in this one).

scum dont need to know who SK is. because of order of actions, if SK targeted godfather, scum get no action.

If 2 killing players target each other, both kills still go through. What game do you play?

vote /

[NoSurvivors]

Lolwut? Code comes to the most random assumptions ever, but me being nice just means. I generally have nothing to worry about. I've found it works better in getting people to side with me if I haven't been acting crazy all day. But if you guys really think I'm a scum, knock yourselves out. I think hippo might be the scum, but idk. Weird vibes about him..

oh wow, what a cute smiley. you must be town.

What a nice comeback, thanks for that, savior of the town.. much needed .

So what you are accusing me of:

-being nice = I am scum
-putting a at the end = me scum

GREAT CASE! Im so proud of you Keep up the good work, vode, youre on fire!

[NoSurvivors]

I am Neon, VT.

we know there was a godfather and it seems pretty likely that there is a SK (1 shot BP)

TTTTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

With 1 cop confirmed we had to have at least CC and we know T =/= 7

So T=5, or 1

with slash's claim we must have CCC so T=/=5

T then must equal 1 which would mean we have to have more power roles but we've only had VT claims which means 1-3 players are hiding their power role or / is lying about his. i think T=5 and / is lying. vote /

If my logic regarding what T equals is wrong please let me know and I will unvote

This, vode, is a case. Vote /

[vodean]

I am Neon, VT.

we know there was a godfather and it seems pretty likely that there is a SK (1 shot BP)

TTTTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

With 1 cop confirmed we had to have at least CC and we know T =/= 7

So T=5, or 1

with slash's claim we must have CCC so T=/=5

T then must equal 1 which would mean we have to have more power roles but we've only had VT claims which means 1-3 players are hiding their power role or / is lying about his. i think T=5 and / is lying. vote /

If my logic regarding what T equals is wrong please let me know and I will unvote

This, vode, is a case. Vote /

oh, yeah, lets put smileys and then lynch the claimed cop.

[NoSurvivors]

-sigh- yea, lets lynch the person who's most likely to be lieing.. unless you see some sort of flaw that i dont in chuck's plan.. which im open for?

[thehippo8]

I can't diagree on the 5 T's - and nice responses NoS (excuse the irony)! Anyway, I never voted on you I was just saying ANyway, seems that the only case in town is /'s and I really can't come up with anything better (no matter how hard I want to) so ... unvote (if needed) vote /.

[safariguy5]

I am Neon, VT.

we know there was a godfather and it seems pretty likely that there is a SK (1 shot BP)

TTTTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

With 1 cop confirmed we had to have at least CC and we know T =/= 7

So T=5, or 1

with slash's claim we must have CCC so T=/=5

T then must equal 1 which would mean we have to have more power roles but we've only had VT claims which means 1-3 players are hiding their power role or / is lying about his. i think T=5 and / is lying. vote /

If my logic regarding what T equals is wrong please let me know and I will unvote

I suppose it's plausible that we may have some protective roles or other power role lying to cover their identity, but I do have to say that Occam's Razor indicates / is most likely lying.

unvote vote /

[NoSurvivors]

I can't diagree on the 5 T's - and nice responses NoS (excuse the irony)! Anyway, I never voted on you I was just saying ANyway, seems that the only case in town is /'s and I really can't come up with anything better (no matter how hard I want to) so ... unvote (if needed) vote /.

I didn't say you voted me.. Vode just tried to get a case going against me using your post (btw if / pops town ill be re reading your replies vode) and in turn kinda looked a bit like protecting /. Now if / pops town, I'll be curious at chuck and I know vode's gunning for me, sooooo it's a risk yea, but not like we have much else lol..

[vodean]

I can't diagree on the 5 T's - and nice responses NoS (excuse the irony)! Anyway, I never voted on you I was just saying ANyway, seems that the only case in town is /'s and I really can't come up with anything better (no matter how hard I want to) so ... unvote (if needed) vote /.

I didn't say you voted me.. Vode just tried to get a case going against me using your post (btw if / pops town ill be re reading your replies vode) and in turn kinda looked a bit like protecting /. Now if / pops town, I'll be curious at chuck and I know vode's gunning for me, sooooo it's a risk yea, but not like we have much else lol..

meh, go ahead.

I dont at all think its simpler that the only living town role is lying than that a couple of town PRs dont want to paint themselves as targets. so occams razor is not useful

[Dukasaur]

Chuck's logic seems sound, and although I'm not an expert, I put a lot of weight in the fact that both Doom and Safari, who play a lot of mafia, accepted his suggestion quickly. Since there are a max of 2 living goons, it is impossible that all three of them would be in cahoots.

My FOS on the hippo grows stronger, as I note that he again cast his vote in a colour that doesn't count, and this has already been discussed once since this game began, and hippo is far too clever to make that kind mistake. It's a non-accidental accident, so he can plead that he voted with the crowd while still trying to save his partner.

vote / for today, I shall.

[vodean]

Chuck's logic seems sound, and although I'm not an expert, I put a lot of weight in the fact that both Doom and Safari, who play a lot of mafia, accepted his suggestion quickly. Since there are a max of 2 living goons, it is impossible that all three of them would be in cahoots.

My FOS on the hippo grows stronger, as I note that he again cast his vote in a colour that doesn't count, and this has already been discussed once since this game began, and hippo is far too clever to make that kind mistake. It's a non-accidental accident, so he can plead that he voted with the crowd while still trying to save his partner.

vote / for today, I shall.

unless they know who eachother are by virtue of night actions.

[samgrossy]

Vote Count, Day 3.2

/ - (6) thechuck51, DoomYoshi, NoSurvivors, thehippo8, safariguy5, dukasaur - LYNCH
NoSurvivors - (1) Vodean L-4

Not Voting - (3) Gillipig, /

To make gameplay easier for players, the player(s) closest to lynch at the time of vote count will be in red bold

With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
Deadline for Day 3 was 10 PM EST, November 9th.

But that's a lynch!