[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

[betiko]

wow.... lots of stuff to talk about then! and I strongly agree on this case. PCM sure wasn't expecting to get killed on night 1, and having a scum read on a scum buddy on day 1 is such a classic (one of my favorite moves for a long term defense when i'm scum)... Also caf kept on saying how much he saw me as a town alll day 1 without any kind of doubt.
Waiting to see if anyone has anything even more interesting to say before casting the vote, but I'm not leaving day 2 without a claim from caf. just a huge classic scumwifom there, nice catch mob.

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[TheForgivenOne]

@MoB Regarding the SK, I think it's another faction. Maybe the DEA? Anyways, that's speculation.

I want to reread some things when I get home (I actually have a free night!).

I still have a weird inkling about IB, but want to look back first.

Fp by holy moly 4 people?!

I agree with BEtiko though, i'd like to see claim for the caffeinated person.

[jonty125]

Well good news pcm is dead, bad news Neb is dead. Pcm's death is interesting. I have two thoughts - strongman kill or delayed PGO, Walt was busy (now I've never seen BB so I'm not sure if this would be too OOC for WW, but someone just killed his wife, so I could imagine any sane person doing it, but he cooks meth, so can he be sane, but then again he doesn't smoke it, so he might still be sane)

A bit waffly, must be the meth.

FASTPOSTED x9!!!!!!!! Are you guys on meth are summat

[StorrZerg]

So i went through and did the vote count . The order of names is as they appear with the vote.
***if anything is wrong plz let me know so i can fix it***

Votes in green are "Joke"
Red votes are confirmed Scum
Blue votes are Confirmed Town
Strikethroughmeans the vote was removed
Bold names have votes at the end

Metsfanmax/flores betiko, Betiko, rishaed, rishaed,

Anarkist (6)- Iron Butterfly, Nagerous, Stor, TheforgivenOne, betiko, Nebuchad, Jonty125, rugbirn, mob daily, cooldeals, rishaed


Rodion, Mob deadly,
Pancake, Nebuchadnezer, cooldeals
Cooldeals, stor, rishaed, Nebuchadnezer, Rugbirn
Mob Deadly () Rodion, cooldeals,
Theforgivenone() SuperKeener,
iAmCaffeine () iamcaffeine, Anarkist,
Betiko () Jonty125,
Nagerous TheForgivenOne
nebuchadnezer Anarkist,
Ironbutterfly (3)- Superkeener, iamcaffeine, theforgivenone,
Superkeener (3) betiko, stor, iron butterfly, virus, nebuchad
Rugbirn () cooldeals, Rishaed
Jonty125 (1)- Anark,
Rishaed
Virus90 (2)- pancakemix, Betiko, MobDeadly, pancake, stor,
x-stor-x (2)- Iron Butterfly, nagerous, metsfanmax,

[betiko]

Well good news pcm is dead, bad news Neb is dead. Pcm's death is interesting. I have two thoughts - strongman kill or delayed PGO, Walt was busy (now I've never seen BB so I'm not sure if this would be too OOC for WW, but someone just killed his wife, so I could imagine any sane person doing it, but he cooks meth, so can he be sane, but then again he doesn't smoke it, so he might still be sane)

A bit waffly, must be the meth.

FASTPOSTED x9!!!!!!!! Are you guys on meth are summat

yeah wonder who could've done that in terms of roles... personally, i'd say mike. he is basically walt and jessie's hitman.... but uhhh... now that i think about it i've started watching in 2011so the early episodes arenotfresh in my memory at all... mike was actually gus's hitman in the frst place, or am I wrong? then when walt kills gus and takes the power he hires mike? gosh when we get a mike claim it might be hard to place somewhere...

Also I had speculated during day 1 that lydia could be there (though couldn't remember her name) in the gus gang. this confirms pretty much that the mafia gang is indeed gus's gang. Given that lydia was the logistics manager, I thought there could be a mafia busdriver with that role, but aparently she was just a goon. too bad, given that she got killed i'd rather have seen a powerfull scum eat dust.

so what do you guys see other than a SK or a PGO? if it's a PGO I don't quite get it; PCM went to perform the kill on??? got killed in the process and who the hell killed neb then?? has to be a SK right? or what other speculations can you guys imagine?

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[TheForgivenOne]

You forgot to strikethrough my vote on anark.

FP (Again)

I think the "Mafia" faction killed Neb, then another faction (be it SK, another gang, DEA) killed pcm.

[MoB Deadly]

(I havent read page 13 yet) But I think deciding to get caffeine to claim is very VERY premature right now. There are other cases that I think rank higher. I am much more interested in Virus, if no one checks in with a lead.

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[StorrZerg]

Places to start today.

Nag/gregwolf121 So nag started off 5+ days before dead line pushing a lynch on myself. And then did not post anything till his "replacement post" less than 10 mins before his replacement post, i called him out. I asked him if he had any updates, i noticed he had not posted in 5 days etc. He responded with his replacement post within 10 mins of me calling him out.I find this sketchy because imo i find it more likely he asked to be replaced because pressure was put on him. If he had not been called out, i highly doubt he would have been replaced.

Now we move onto his replacement gregwolf121. He came into the game with plenty of time to do something. He only managed to make a "check in post" when i asked him to. He was active on the forum at least 18+ hours before deadline. I would say the least he could have done was give some input, and i say he had plenty of time to do so. (yes i know you disagree mets)

[betiko]

Places to start today.

Nag/gregwolf121 So nag started off 5+ days before dead line pushing a lynch on myself. And then did not post anything till his "replacement post" less than 10 mins before his replacement post, i called him out. I asked him if he had any updates, i noticed he had not posted in 5 days etc. He responded with his replacement post within 10 mins of me calling him out.I find this sketchy because imo i find it more likely he asked to be replaced because pressure was put on him. If he had not been called out, i highly doubt he would have been replaced.

Now we move onto his replacement gregwolf121. He came into the game with plenty of time to do something. He only managed to make a "check in post" when i asked him to. He was active on the forum at least 18+ hours before deadline. I would say the least he could have done was give some input, and i say he had plenty of time to do so. (yes i know you disagree mets)

from my experience, greg is a very inactive player. we did catch him on a day 1 being scum though. Nag isn't a very big poster either. nothing strikes me there from their meta.

seriously, I have quite a gut feeling on that caf lead, so i'll just put my vote where my words stand, cause now that you speak of other cases... I realize how caf is the one that really interests me. too many small details... the first jokevote on himself to be present and absent at the same time, all his town reads to get allies, and a scum read on him by another scum. this is just gut feeling, but it's my strongest in this game so far.

vote caf

[StorrZerg]

Updated *TFO vote on anark *


Votes in green are "Joke"
Red votes are confirmed Scum
Blue votes are Confirmed Town
Strikethroughmeans the vote was removed
Bold names have votes at the end

Metsfanmax/flores betiko, Betiko, rishaed, rishaed,

Anarkist (6)- Iron Butterfly, Nagerous, Stor, TheforgivenOne, betiko, Nebuchad, Jonty125, rugbirn, mob daily, cooldeals, rishaed


Rodion, Mob deadly,
Pancake, Nebuchadnezer, cooldeals
Cooldeals, stor, rishaed, Nebuchadnezer, Rugbirn
Mob Deadly () Rodion, cooldeals,
Theforgivenone() SuperKeener,
iAmCaffeine () iamcaffeine, Anarkist,
Betiko () Jonty125,
Nagerous TheForgivenOne
nebuchadnezer Anarkist,
Ironbutterfly (3)- Superkeener, iamcaffeine, theforgivenone,
Superkeener (3) betiko, stor, iron butterfly, virus, nebuchad
Rugbirn () cooldeals, Rishaed
Jonty125 (1)- Anark,
Rishaed
Virus90 (2)- pancakemix, Betiko, MobDeadly, pancake, stor,
x-stor-x (2)- Iron Butterfly, nagerous, metsfanmax

[TheForgivenOne]

Places to start today.

Nag/gregwolf121 So nag started off 5+ days before dead line pushing a lynch on myself. And then did not post anything till his "replacement post" less than 10 mins before his replacement post, i called him out. I asked him if he had any updates, i noticed he had not posted in 5 days etc. He responded with his replacement post within 10 mins of me calling him out.I find this sketchy because imo i find it more likely he asked to be replaced because pressure was put on him. If he had not been called out, i highly doubt he would have been replaced.

I've played with nagerous before (and I know him well), he isn't the type of person to back out of a game because he's getting pressured. He's getting pressured in another game and hasn't backed out. He's also posted about his inactivity in the others too.

FP'd twice

[MoB Deadly]

Now we move onto his replacement gregwolf121. He came into the game with plenty of time to do something. He only managed to make a "check in post" when i asked him to. He was active on the forum at least 18+ hours before deadline. I would say the least he could have done was give some input, and i say he had plenty of time to do so. (yes i know you disagree mets)

I disagree and think it was rude to ask gregwolf repeatedly. I think if he would have had time, he would have done so. It takes a long time to read ~30 pages and come up with any conclusions.

just my 2 cents.

fped by tfo

[StorrZerg]

Betiko, what are your thoughts that iamcaffeine pushed onto Iron Butterfly? Following SuperKeener. you think its possible super and iamcaffeine are together? They got scared at the time that the vote on anarkist wasn't going to happen so they tried to push on someone else?

Also betiko you shouldn't dismiss nag/greg actions so easily. Greg has yet to post yet.

fp by Mob so
@mob deadly i disagree. I'm not looking for an out right claim. I want him to contribute. And essentially he has offered nothing. I do not want him to slip under the radar like nag did.

[Metsfanmax]

Flavor-wise, this makes no sense. Skyler was trained as an accountant. Her sister Marie is the one who worked at a hospital.

[StorrZerg]

Flavor-wise, this makes no sense. Skyler was trained as an accountant. Her sister Marie is the one who worked at a hospital.

Safe to assume then that other characters might not be "exactly what we might think"

which moves onto IMO we should not put all our eggs in forcing claims

[Metsfanmax]

Flavor-wise, this makes no sense. Skyler was trained as an accountant. Her sister Marie is the one who worked at a hospital.

Safe to assume then that other characters might not be "exactly what we might think"

which moves onto IMO we should not put all our eggs in forcing claims

I agree with that logic, but we shouldn't push it too far -- if Hank Schrader is in the game, he's going to be a cop.

[betiko]

Betiko, what are your thoughts that iamcaffeine pushed onto Iron Butterfly? Following SuperKeener. you think its possible super and iamcaffeine are together? They got scared at the time that the vote on anarkist wasn't going to happen so they tried to push on someone else?

Also betiko you shouldn't dismiss nag/greg actions so easily. Greg has yet to post yet.

fp by Mob so
@mob deadly i disagree. I'm not looking for an out right claim. I want him to contribute. And essentially he has offered nothing. I do not want him to slip under the radar like nag did.

honestly, super and caf didn't say anything that seemed strange to me at the time. IB did form a shaddy wagon on super, so i think it's normal for a scum (caf?) to point out when a town guy makes a scummy move... you aren't going to be blamed for lynching a town making a scummy move in the aftermath.

and yeah, regarding greg you have been way too pushy. the guy had to go through 30 pages of game, a day before the deadline and you were expecting some big cases and crap from him... you obviously couldn't expect anything from him that late into day 1 when the guy takes over a role.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Good luck town!

[betiko]

Flavor-wise, this makes no sense. Skyler was trained as an accountant. Her sister Marie is the one who worked at a hospital.

Safe to assume then that other characters might not be "exactly what we might think"

which moves onto IMO we should not put all our eggs in forcing claims

well say we force a claim, the guy says he's a watcher for example; we can test him and/or the guy he is supposed to watch. I don't know how you you advance in a game without claims, but that's the way we work here.

[StorrZerg]

Betiko, what are your thoughts that iamcaffeine pushed onto Iron Butterfly? Following SuperKeener. you think its possible super and iamcaffeine are together? They got scared at the time that the vote on anarkist wasn't going to happen so they tried to push on someone else?

Also betiko you shouldn't dismiss nag/greg actions so easily. Greg has yet to post yet.

fp by Mob so
@mob deadly i disagree. I'm not looking for an out right claim. I want him to contribute. And essentially he has offered nothing. I do not want him to slip under the radar like nag did.

honestly, super and caf didn't say anything that seemed strange to me at the time. IB did form a shaddy wagon on super, so i think it's normal for a scum (caf?) to point out when a town guy makes a scummy move... you aren't going to be blamed for lynching a town making a scummy move in the aftermath.

and yeah, regarding greg you have been way too pushy. the guy had to go through 30 pages of game, a day before the deadline and you were expecting some big cases and crap from him... you obviously couldn't expect anything from him that late into day 1 when the guy takes over a role.

I never once said i expect "big things from greg" I said anything, a read or two or even less. Just saying "i feel good about anark, or anark looks bad" woulda been much better. Hell saying "still catching up so and so looks iffy but idk. Is better. Mets replaced much earlier, but he came in and talked about flavor as his first post. That was SOMETHING. greg had many viable options on how to come into this thread, and i had to call him out several times for lurking, before he finally posted "confirm im here"

Again im not calling for his blood, to be instantly LYNCHED on the spot. But he has to be making an impact in the game. I do not want him to be "afk" for 5 days before posting.
So for everyone saying, he is a low poster, sorta inactive etc. What good does it do to be telling me this? Or soft "defending him"

If you don't want to look at greg, how about NAG? within 10 mins of me posting for him to update his reads/vote he responds with wanting to be replaced. He had not posted within 5 days. Is this just a coincidence? I know nag can't defend himself from that accusation, but i do feel it is worth keeping in mind.

[StorrZerg]

Flavor-wise, this makes no sense. Skyler was trained as an accountant. Her sister Marie is the one who worked at a hospital.

Safe to assume then that other characters might not be "exactly what we might think"

which moves onto IMO we should not put all our eggs in forcing claims

well say we force a claim, the guy says he's a watcher for example; we can test him and/or the guy he is supposed to watch. I don't know how you you advance in a game without claims, but that's the way we work here.

Play mafia with no roles. No theme. Theme here is for flavor and "fun" yes. But mafia at its simplest form is Town Vs Mafia. Theme-less mafia is not just random voting of people and hoping you lynch correctly. I play to find the person that looks scummiest. I push i pressure. I get their reaction, i get their reads on other players. Are they just being followers? Or are they presenting original content? Theme is last on my mind when pushing someone. example, i did not unvote anark because he claimed. I unvoted him because he started to contribute. abit i was still sketchy with the over abundance of him going "OMGUS and voting someone"

[StorrZerg]

Btw ill drop a hint from where i come.

[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwuy4hHO3YQ&feature=kp[/YouTube]

Which was brought up in another thread before started this game.

[betiko]

Personally, I prefer to go after a real suspicious thing. a confirmed mafia giving his opinion on 3 players and finding one of them scummy, this sounds awfully like a long term defense setup. i really want to look into it, and once I'm on someone I never let go until I get the claim. I got my jaws around caf's calf and I will not let it go.

and greg needs to get in and give his opinion otherwise he will look scummy or will just need to be replaced, I agree. He deseved time on day 1 though. call it soft defense or whatever you want.

you can also ask virus, each time i get in here he is here reading. still not posting. earlier on since day 2 i've already noticed it. he is around.
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[iAmCaffeine]

Okay, I've just about managed to catch up.

Please betty, you need to stop exaggerating so much. I was not totally convinced on who was town, as you said, but I had a couple of townreads. Notice the bold? That is a read, not a statement declaring I am convinced that they're town. I still townread you, since you've chosen someone you have a gut feeling against and you're pushing them; in this case that's me but I don't have a problem with that.

I can assure you (although it will mean little) that I am far from a threat to town. Considering main characters in the programme, I imagine the mafia faction(s) will be rather small. After seeing the dead roles I doubt there is a second mafia faction, but we could expect third party players. Given the expected size of the scum squad, it would be an extremely high risk move for pancakemix to try and buss someone on d1.

I'm intrigued as to how he died though, and why. I, as others have also said, couldn't really see a good reason to suspect him. Although I completely condone those actions!

If people want a full claim then I will provide one, but I think it is too early.

[cooldeals]

I say we give it 24 hours or until everyone checks in before we pressure someone. Betiko sounds like he feels strongly about Caffeine. If we have no other leads I think him as well as some of the other cases make sense to pursue. Hopefully greg is caught up and can post today.

I just don't want to get ahead of ourselves when there's a potential posts by other players we wouldn't want to ignore.