Is Believing In God...?

[joecoolfrog]

A world full of atheists? With no hope for an after-life? Just your 70 years or so, then non-existence? Making what you do in those 70 or so years absolutely meaningless? I think not.

Yes I think not

[john9blue]

Theists force their belief on others in the hopes of saving their soul.

Atheists force their belief on others to get a good laugh and look smart.

Why is it that atheists are more militant? I find this ironic because less is at stake. Maybe it is not their belief that causes it. Maybe they would be douchebags even if they were religious.

People are largely the same with or without religion. There is no excuse for forcing people to convert to atheism. Religion does not "poison everything". That is a bullshit excuse that atheists use to justify their condescension towards others.

[Timminz]

john9blue brings up an excellent point about the persecution complex that, too often, seems to go along with basing your life around a story of a severely persecuted man.

[john9blue]

john9blue brings up an excellent point about the persecution complex that, too often, seems to go along with basing your life around a story of a severely persecuted man.

How funny!

[Baron Von PWN]

Theists force their belief on others in the hopes of saving their soul.

Atheists force their belief on others to get a good laugh and look smart.

Why is it that atheists are more militant? I find this ironic because less is at stake. Maybe it is not their belief that causes it. Maybe they would be douchebags even if they were religious.

People are largely the same with or without religion. There is no excuse for forcing people to convert to atheism. Religion does not "poison everything". That is a bullshit excuse that atheists use to justify their condescension towards others.

How doese an atheist "force" anyone to beleive anything?

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about atheists.

[Caymanmew]

ok let get real there no god

beleaving in god is fine but i would say get rid of it there are some people who are extremess/tareris they beleave in god so strongly that they will kill other who dont beleave in there god.

now taking it out of our history would be deastating in my oppiun
i think from the start of humanity(about 4-2 million years ago.) people needed answer to how the world started. so bake then they did not have proff of anything so the made the "gods"
but now we have proff that adam and eve did not pop out of no were
so now god is not needed so we can drop it and move on

[Army of GOD]

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... y#p2294104

[Caymanmew]

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[BigBallinStalin]

ok let get real there no god

beleaving in god is fine but i would say get rid of it there are some people who are extremess/tareris they beleave in god so strongly that they will kill other who dont beleave in there god.

now taking it out of our history would be deastating in my oppiun
i think from the start of humanity(about 4-2 million years ago.) people needed answer to how the world started. so bake then they did not have proff of anything so the made the "gods"
but now we have proff that adam and eve did not pop out of no were
so now god is not needed so we can drop it and move on

troll.

[F1fth]

Which of the following is more likely?

1. There exists a deity so great and so powerful that humanity cannot even comprehend it, whose capabilities defies everything we know about the natural world, and whose existence begs many more questions about the universe than he answers (God created the universe, who created God? Why is he "the one"? Is it possible that we have a wrongful understanding of a being so grand and important which no one has purportedly seen for several millennium?). Oh and for some reason this really extraordinary being cares passionately about whether two dudes are fucking each other in the ass.

2. A bunch of people thousands of years ago knew very little about how the world worked and made up an explanation based on their primitive understanding and their cultural beliefs and wrote a book about it. It caught on and became the status quo.

I recognize how rhetorical this question is, but it's an honest one. It's one that at one point I asked myself (albeit with a bit fairer language, I admit) and I came to my own conclusion. What is your answer?

(Keep in mind as well that I'm referring to formal religions, especially those that assert the exclusivity and omnipotence of their deity, and not necessarily spirituality or even the belief in the existence of things that go beyond us)

[thegreekdog]

Which of the following is more likely?

1. There exists a deity so great and so powerful that humanity cannot even comprehend it, whose capabilities defies everything we know about the natural world, and whose existence begs many more questions about the universe than he answers (God created the universe, who created God? Why is he "the one"? Is it possible that we have a wrongful understanding of a being so magnificent?). Oh and for some reason this really extraordinary being cares passionately about whether two dudes are fucking each other in the ass.

2. A bunch of people thousands of years ago knew very little about how the world worked and made up an explanation based on their primitive understanding and their cultural beliefs and wrote a book about it. It caught on and became the status quo.

I recognize how rhetorical this question is, but it's an honest one. It's one that at one point I asked myself (albeit with a bit fairer language, I admit) and I came to my own conclusion. What is your answer?

(Keep in mind as well that I'm referring to formal religions, especially those that assert the exclusivity and omnipotence of their deity, and not necessarily spirituality or even the belief in the existence of things that go beyond us)

The second one is more likely. I'm not sure what your point is though.

[F1fth]

Which of the following is more likely?

1. There exists a deity so great and so powerful that humanity cannot even comprehend it, whose capabilities defies everything we know about the natural world, and whose existence begs many more questions about the universe than he answers (God created the universe, who created God? Why is he "the one"? Is it possible that we have a wrongful understanding of a being so magnificent?). Oh and for some reason this really extraordinary being cares passionately about whether two dudes are fucking each other in the ass.

2. A bunch of people thousands of years ago knew very little about how the world worked and made up an explanation based on their primitive understanding and their cultural beliefs and wrote a book about it. It caught on and became the status quo.

I recognize how rhetorical this question is, but it's an honest one. It's one that at one point I asked myself (albeit with a bit fairer language, I admit) and I came to my own conclusion. What is your answer?

(Keep in mind as well that I'm referring to formal religions, especially those that assert the exclusivity and omnipotence of their deity, and not necessarily spirituality or even the belief in the existence of things that go beyond us)

The second one is more likely. I'm not sure what your point is though.

... I'm pretty sure if you would hazard a guess, you would probably be correct.

[thegreekdog]

Which of the following is more likely?

1. There exists a deity so great and so powerful that humanity cannot even comprehend it, whose capabilities defies everything we know about the natural world, and whose existence begs many more questions about the universe than he answers (God created the universe, who created God? Why is he "the one"? Is it possible that we have a wrongful understanding of a being so magnificent?). Oh and for some reason this really extraordinary being cares passionately about whether two dudes are fucking each other in the ass.

2. A bunch of people thousands of years ago knew very little about how the world worked and made up an explanation based on their primitive understanding and their cultural beliefs and wrote a book about it. It caught on and became the status quo.

I recognize how rhetorical this question is, but it's an honest one. It's one that at one point I asked myself (albeit with a bit fairer language, I admit) and I came to my own conclusion. What is your answer?

(Keep in mind as well that I'm referring to formal religions, especially those that assert the exclusivity and omnipotence of their deity, and not necessarily spirituality or even the belief in the existence of things that go beyond us)

The second one is more likely. I'm not sure what your point is though.

... I'm pretty sure if you would hazard a guess, you would probably be correct.

Yeah, but religious people don't require proof or likelihood. It's more a faith thing.

[CreepersWiener]

Would there be less war and strife?

No, there's always other reasons for war lying around waiting to be picked up and used.

Yeah, but...would there be less?

[Snorri1234]

Would there be less war and strife?

No, there's always other reasons for war lying around waiting to be picked up and used.

Yeah, but...would there be less?

Probably not.

[thegreekdog]

Would there be less war and strife?

No, there's always other reasons for war lying around waiting to be picked up and used.

Yeah, but...would there be less?

I contend no, since most wars are about power, not religion. They can be justified by leadership and/or sold to the public by offering religion as a pretext. The only Christian-based war resulting directly from religion were the first and second Crusades. The others were power grabs set up as religious-based. So, maybe you're right - two less wars.

[F1fth]

Which of the following is more likely?

1. There exists a deity so great and so powerful that humanity cannot even comprehend it, whose capabilities defies everything we know about the natural world, and whose existence begs many more questions about the universe than he answers (God created the universe, who created God? Why is he "the one"? Is it possible that we have a wrongful understanding of a being so magnificent?). Oh and for some reason this really extraordinary being cares passionately about whether two dudes are fucking each other in the ass.

2. A bunch of people thousands of years ago knew very little about how the world worked and made up an explanation based on their primitive understanding and their cultural beliefs and wrote a book about it. It caught on and became the status quo.

I recognize how rhetorical this question is, but it's an honest one. It's one that at one point I asked myself (albeit with a bit fairer language, I admit) and I came to my own conclusion. What is your answer?

(Keep in mind as well that I'm referring to formal religions, especially those that assert the exclusivity and omnipotence of their deity, and not necessarily spirituality or even the belief in the existence of things that go beyond us)

The second one is more likely. I'm not sure what your point is though.

... I'm pretty sure if you would hazard a guess, you would probably be correct.

Yeah, but religious people don't require proof or likelihood. It's more a faith thing.

Very true. I also realize that just because one solution is more likely doesn't mean it's right. This is just an insight I've had for a long time and is something I always think about when the issue of religion comes up. I think it's a good thing for anyone to consider, whatever the conclusion is that they come up for themselves.

[F1fth]

Would there be less war and strife?

No, there's always other reasons for war lying around waiting to be picked up and used.

Yeah, but...would there be less?

I'd also say no. People fight about anything and everything and we'd certainly not lack sources of conflict if religion were taken away.

[pimpdave]

I thought atheism was just as much a belief system as any religion.

Now, why don't we argue why anyone should have a belief system. Do you believe they should, or shouldn't?

[thegreekdog]

I thought atheism was just as much a belief system as any religion.

Now, why don't we argue why anyone should have a belief system. Do you believe they should, or shouldn't?

Agnostics?

[pimpdave]

I thought atheism was just as much a belief system as any religion.

Now, why don't we argue why anyone should have a belief system. Do you believe they should, or shouldn't?

Agnostics?

Are you not catching on, or just being ornery?

[thegreekdog]

I thought atheism was just as much a belief system as any religion.

Now, why don't we argue why anyone should have a belief system. Do you believe they should, or shouldn't?

Agnostics?

Are you not catching on, or just being ornery?

Not catching on. I'm assuming that atheists believe that there is no God, while agnostics don't have a belief system at all. Thus, they fit your definition of people not having a belief system.

[pimpdave]

No, my definition is that everyone has a belief system. Even agnostics, who believe they don't know what they believe.

I mean, really, I'm just the one being ornery, but I was thinking of a great clip with Deepak Chopra that pulled off this same joke really well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qySx8tSs8BQ

I think the guy in the purple shirt is the bishop. I love how he's the only one who sees the humor in it, considering how stuffy and humorless those guys usually are.

[thegreekdog]

No, my definition is that everyone has a belief system. Even agnostics, who believe they don't know what they believe.

I mean, really, I'm just the one being ornery, but I was thinking of a great clip with Deepak Chopra that pulled off this same joke really well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qySx8tSs8BQ

I think the guy in the purple shirt is the bishop. I love how he's the only one who sees the humor in it, considering how stuffy and humorless those guys usually are.

Each priest/bishop is different from the next. I prefer fire-breathing priests myself (my wife likes the nice priests). Anyway, even priests can see humor in stuff.

[Snorri1234]

Making Deepak Chopra look like a fool isn't that hard.