jay_a2j wrote:
BTW.... I Googled my REAL NAME and NOTHING about me came up.
Good for you, but once you start going out and getting a job, etc, it is highly unlikely that will continue.
I, for example, have only minimal records but I have not worked outside my home for over 10 years. Even so, both my married and maiden names are public, because I have been published and because I am involved in enough volunteer activities that my name appears in the paper with some regularity. Also, I gave birth...and , well, that's enough for a start.
Jay is a prisonguard, I think it's unlikely anything is going to change if he works for another few years.
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Duane: You know what they say about love and war.
Tim: Yes, one involves a lot of physical and psychological pain, and the other one's war.
First and foremost, there it is always a good thing to have a modicum of concern about the government. I would never go to the point where this becomes fear or even paranoia.
The only thing we have to fear from the government is its own ineptitude. Automated systems should always be a concern; placing speed radars on highways with the ability to detect a car’s identity and automatically send the fine to the person’s bank account would trouble me. (It’s bad enough when someone steals my car but to then to have to pay all those speeding tickets would be insult to injury.) A good example of this was when a person used the official method of disposing of an old EZ-Pass automated toll collection device (put it in the official envelope and mail it back to the authorities) and wind up with a series of charges for every toll booth the mail truck went through on the way to the final post office.
But the government itself already has too many dots and can’t connect them as it is. The average criminal will get caught no matter how few ways there are to identify him; the smart criminal will find ways to avoid every system. Pickpockets have existed since the invention of the pocket. Implanted tracking devices can always be hacked. Once you realize that you can’t trust the dots and you don’t have the resources to connect them anyway you won’t use them. Once the government gets this corrupt they won’t need them anyway.
Identity theft is far more important than Big Brother. Anything that reduces the former has got to be a good thing.
tzor wrote:First and foremost, there it is always a good thing to have a modicum of concern about the government. I would never go to the point where this becomes fear or even paranoia.
The only thing we have to fear from the government is its own ineptitude. Automated systems should always be a concern; placing speed radars on highways with the ability to detect a car’s identity and automatically send the fine to the person’s bank account would trouble me.
It annoys me, but I can't see why it would trouble anyone.
But the government itself already has too many dots and can’t connect them as it is. The average criminal will get caught no matter how few ways there are to identify him; the smart criminal will find ways to avoid every system. Pickpockets have existed since the invention of the pocket. Implanted tracking devices can always be hacked. Once you realize that you can’t trust the dots and you don’t have the resources to connect them anyway you won’t use them. Once the government gets this corrupt they won’t need them anyway.
Identity theft is far more important than Big Brother. Anything that reduces the former has got to be a good thing.
Yeah pretty much. It's not the government we should be fearing here, because if the government actually honestly is trying to use this to control people then there is something deeply wrong already. The national id-card scare makes little sense because the government knows you exist, knows where you live and knows a good deal of other things about you already.
But identity theft is far more of a concern. I wouldn't care about the government abusing the system, I would care about criminals who do it.
"Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill."
Duane: You know what they say about love and war.
Tim: Yes, one involves a lot of physical and psychological pain, and the other one's war.
People outside the government can also have the potential to access such information--through somewhat legal (favors) and outright illegal means (theft, etc).
Even though the National ID can be used for good purposes, the definition of who is good is largely in the hands of the government (or outside actors), and their decisions over such valuable information has no effective and/or clear oversight whatever. With the National ID, you're just easier to track down and keep more efficient records on, which is something that can be used against you without any "legal" justification whatsoever. All it takes is a small bribe or some kind of coercive activity, and one can find out much about anyone they like.
That information can be used against anyone, which it will be, for political campaigns, for destroying people's reputations that the government deems as "bad," or just to make someone's life absolutely difficult in a more efficient manner.
It's simply stupid to have so much of your personal information in one card and in the "protection" of the government.
What about your cavernous shit-cavity? It doesn't have to be just smack; razor blades, homemade pies, dirty magazines, anal lube, copies of "Dog Day Afternoon"...
jonesthecurl wrote:Jay may be as wrong-headed as Bottom from Midsummer Night's Dream, but I'm guessing he's pretty honest, and a stickler forbribary references seems much more a reflection of the poster'e likely attitude than anything jay has said.
jay_a2j wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
BTW.... I Googled my REAL NAME and NOTHING about me came up.
Good for you, but once you start going out and getting a job, etc, it is highly unlikely that will continue.
I have been working for the past 20 years.
The last 10 have been with New York State.
Guess that doesn't qualify as "going out and getting a job".
Mea culpa. Based on your postings, I figured you were much younger.
At any rate, double check, misspellings are common if your name is rare (and if its common.. then you goofed in something).
If you do absolutely nothing of a public nature in your own name, then you may escape. However, the fact remains that if you drive, have visited a doctor, have utilities or rent in your name... etc, etc, etc, you are already "in the system", whether you can google yourself or not.
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PLAYER57832 wrote:
Just an FYI, if you like, in most states (maybe all) you can get a non-driver ID. It looks about like a regular license, but does not confer driving priviliages
I found that out recently and am looking into it.
At 6 Flags I was refused a drink. Probably because I look 19.
Yeah, it's like 10 bucks at the DMV. Your passport should work too. If you ever have to appear in court (let's hope not) you will likely have to provide valid photo ID. In that case, your passport should work.
jay_a2j wrote:hey if any1 would like me to make them a signature or like an avator just let me no, my sig below i did, and i also did "panther 88" so i can do something like that for u if ud like...
Using your passport as a generl ID is not a good idea. Too easily used for "nefarious" purposes. Better to get a state ID, if you don't have a driver's liscense.
PLAYER57832 wrote:
Here's a further clue, folks. Try "googling" your name. If you think we are not already tracked, you are seriously naive. Most of the tracking is done by companies who want to take your money, not the government. Does not comfort me in the least.
Next, Try "googling" your user names (all of them). And... then try the combination.. your user name, plus real name or address, etc. And guess what? Your future employer (maybe 20 years from now, maybe 5), your inlaws.. ANYONE can see what you are posting under all your user names, unless you have been very, very, very careful.
My name doesn't even show up on google. Nor does my user name give any result to sites I post on.
Its very easy to be careful. Its also naive to think that if someone wanted to find out who you were that they cant.
Certainly anyone in law enforcement could very quickly.
Ah I've found the problem. Turns out I can't use google.com easily as it automatically redirects to google.nl
Google.nl can't find me.
Google.com finds my facebook for my real name, this site for my username here and a bunch of pages for combination which have absolutely nothing to do with me.
Well, Im not suggesting I could find you anyways. Im only suggesting someone very good with computers could, along with anyone in law enforcement.
I'm Spanking Monkey now....err...I mean I'm a Spanking Monkey now...that shoots milk Too much. I know.
PLAYER57832 wrote:
Here's a further clue, folks. Try "googling" your name. If you think we are not already tracked, you are seriously naive. Most of the tracking is done by companies who want to take your money, not the government. Does not comfort me in the least.
Next, Try "googling" your user names (all of them). And... then try the combination.. your user name, plus real name or address, etc. And guess what? Your future employer (maybe 20 years from now, maybe 5), your inlaws.. ANYONE can see what you are posting under all your user names, unless you have been very, very, very careful.
Hmmm and why shouldn't we make it that much easier for anyone to get information on us? Hell, let's just all give in and proclaim our loyalty to whatever deity they want us to serve. /sarasm
Says the religious nut.
jay_a2j wrote:Again, you make a very very weak argument. The, "They have info on us already so why not give it to them willingly?" is an absurd stance.
What's even more absurd is your insinuation that she said any such thing.
jay_a2j wrote:BTW.... I Googled my REAL NAME and NOTHING about me came up.
That's because you're too stupid to be bothered with.
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
Heaven Forbid,
But if I had to go to prison I imagine Jay is exactly the kind of guard I would want. He's God fearing and unbending in his principles. Heck, he's unbending in his beliefs. Pretty sure he's a good guard. And prolly a big guy.
Skittles! wrote:Don't you have a Passport, Jay? Not a SS number?
Nope, no passport. Papers please......
I notice you didn't answer the second question...coward much?
Speaking of cowards (not that i would imply such in your case but i heard the word bandied about some), in between my 30 day ban and my 6 month ban they said you had fled the site because someone threatened you - whatever came of that?
Ok, back on topic (gotta mind my Ps and Qs - not derailing here); your SS number is probably the mark of the Beast if you apply certain convoluted mathematical principles. That being said, it is obviously an uncomfortable subject for Jay since he has one - but hey, they didn't stamp it on your hand or forehead yet so you're still not damned - amirite? Scary stuff.
b.k. barunt wrote:but hey, they didn't stamp it on your hand or forehead yet so you're still not damned - amirite? Scary stuff.
"And he will cause both great and small, free and slave, rich and poor to receive a mark on his right hand or forehead so that he who does not have the mark can not buy nor sell." (paraphrased) Yeah, scary stuff, especially when you read on and find out what happens to those that take the mark and those that don't.
THE DEBATE IS OVER...
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Skittles! wrote:Don't you have a Passport, Jay? Not a SS number?
Nope, no passport. Papers please......
I notice you didn't answer the second question...coward much?
Speaking of cowards (not that i would imply such in your case but i heard the word bandied about some), in between my 30 day ban and my 6 month ban they said you had fled the site because someone threatened you - whatever came of that?
Ok, back on topic (gotta mind my Ps and Qs - not derailing here); your SS number is probably the mark of the Beast if you apply certain convoluted mathematical principles. That being said, it is obviously an uncomfortable subject for Jay since he has one - but hey, they didn't stamp it on your hand or forehead yet so you're still not damned - amirite? Scary stuff.
Skittles! wrote:Don't you have a Passport, Jay? Not a SS number?
Nope, no passport. Papers please......
I notice you didn't answer the second question...coward much?
Speaking of cowards (not that i would imply such in your case but i heard the word bandied about some), in between my 30 day ban and my 6 month ban they said you had fled the site because someone threatened you - whatever came of that?
It's being handled by the State Department because the individual is not a U.S. citizen. We expect to be at trial in the next month or so.
As to your suggestion that I am a coward because I was rightly concerned about the situation, that is simply because you don't understand the situation as it was. However, I am not at liberty to discuss it further until the trial is over.
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
I was on trial one time...
Got a few gag orders in my time too when I tried to be a whistle blower of sorts against Mortgage Brokers...
But I never heard of a victim getting a gag order or anything....
Juan_Bottom wrote:I was on trial one time...
Got a few gag orders in my time too when I tried to be a whistle blower of sorts against Mortgage Brokers...
But I never heard of a victim getting a gag order or anything....
My lawyer considers it in my best interests to allow the courts to handle the matter, and I am going to follow his advice. With the position we currently hold, there is no sense in doing anything that might cause a change in how we're viewed.
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
Juan_Bottom wrote:I was on trial one time...
Got a few gag orders in my time too when I tried to be a whistle blower of sorts against Mortgage Brokers...
But I never heard of a victim getting a gag order or anything....
You are incorrect. When things are in the court system, anyone can be placed on a temporary gag order until the matter is resolved, if the judge feels it necessary. Usually they just do it for trials with a lot of media attention, but they can also do it in cases where there is a possibility of threats and so forth. It just depends. Remember, no one is considered guilty until they are found guilty. So one of the judge's responsibility is to ensure that the victims don't speak too much out of the court and unduly influence a jury.
However, as Woodruff explained, most attorneys advise clients not to talk too much about details until trial. Better to say nothing than to say the wrong thing. In court cases, the victims are often as much on trial as the accused.
Woodruff wrote:It's being handled by the State Department because the individual is not a U.S. citizen. We expect to be at trial in the next month or so.
Wow... I think dave and sultan legitimately want to hurt me and I haven't taken it to court yet... lol
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