Conquer Club

Night Strike wrote:Why do Muslims make threats and violence whenever they are offended by an action such as depicting Muhammed or burning their bibles yet some countries do these same things toward Christianity on a frequent basis? If it's okay for Iranians to burn the bible and crosses, why isn't it ok for others to burn the koran?

Dude...these people live in the United States of America. Do you really want the United States of America to become similar to Iran? I ask this, because it really appears that's what you're implying.

If it's not obvious what the difference is after my question above...the Iranians burning the Bible live in Iran. Those burning the Koran live in the United States of America.

As to whether it's "ok", well sure...they have the freedom to do it. But it's stupid on the face of it to do so.

GabonX wrote:It seems like you guys feel the same things about this that I feel about the WTC Mosque ...

I don't believe you have a firm understanding of what we feel about this, then. Or possibly I don't have a firm understanding of what you feel about the WTC mosque.

AAFitz wrote: Im hardly advocating someone creating an international incident, and that in some cases some things can not be allowed. But some crazies who have lost their way making a hypocritical fireball fueled by the evil of their own souls is certainly not one of them. If this somehow initiates a response from others, there is no doubt those others would have acted anyways, because anyone actually getting mad at this kind of display is similarly crazy in the first place, and this book burning would only be an excuse, not an actual reason.

Yes, and no. It's certainly true that most of them would have. But what this does is give one more bullet of ammunition to the cry of "they want to destroy our religion" that is used against fence-sitters.

HapSmo19 wrote:It is relative. The only difference between this and a flag burning, or the burning of an effigy, is the level of psychosis of those that will be offended.
It's simply an acid test of the purity of their tolerance. I, for one, wont be surprised at the results.

You are absolutely correct.

jonesthecurl wrote:Bloody Christians, burning Bibles...do you ever hear the church leaders speaking out?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2009/10/22/pa ... ing-event/

Wow..."satanic"? That dude's a nutjob.

jonesthecurl wrote:Bloody Christians, burning Bibles...do you ever hear the church leaders speaking out?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2009/10/22/pa ... ing-event/

Man, where do these morons come from, and why does the Excited States of America have an inordinate amount of them?

jonesthecurl wrote:

Night Strike wrote:Why do Muslims make threats and violence whenever they are offended by an action such as depicting Muhammed or burning their bibles yet some countries do these same things toward Christianity on a frequent basis? If it's okay for Iranians to burn the bible and crosses, why isn't it ok for others to burn the koran?

I shouldn't need to instruct you on how Christianity works, given that I'm not one -
but apparently I do, since you don't seem to get it.

With Jesus, people were supposed to have moved on from "an eye for an eye" to "turn the other cheek".

And it is absolutely not a defense for a Christian to say "Me? You think that's bad? Look at what he's doing!"
- or don't you remember the bit about removing the beam from your own eye?

Woodruff wrote:

Night Strike wrote:Why do Muslims make threats and violence whenever they are offended by an action such as depicting Muhammed or burning their bibles yet some countries do these same things toward Christianity on a frequent basis? If it's okay for Iranians to burn the bible and crosses, why isn't it ok for others to burn the koran?

Dude...these people live in the United States of America. Do you really want the United States of America to become similar to Iran? I ask this, because it really appears that's what you're implying.

If it's not obvious what the difference is after my question above...the Iranians burning the Bible live in Iran. Those burning the Koran live in the United States of America.

As to whether it's "ok", well sure...they have the freedom to do it. But it's stupid on the face of it to do so.

Sorry, my point didn't seem to come across. There is an uproar among some in the US that these actions toward Muslims are bad to take, but they don't denounce the same actions taken toward Christians. I just want some consistency. I think both are bad and should not be done as both inflame tensions rather than lead to debate.

2 wrongs don't make a right.

Retards, Every single one of them, These Idiots are NOT who i would associate with, there are idiotic churches around the US that Use God as a reason to do Stupid and Un-called for actions, for example, Picketing at a soldiers funeral and having signs that say, Its good he died, God is punishing you, WTH... i just wanna go over there and beat the Living Crap outa them.. this is NOT what Christians are supposed to be like, but , just like every other religion, you will have the idiotic fanatics. The Muslims have theirs, and Christianity has theirs..... Both are wrong, But there is really no way to stop either one.. just make sure you don't turn into something similar to this. As long as you don't, then your good..

tdans wrote:Retards, Every single one of them, These Idiots are NOT who i would associate with, there are idiotic churches around the US that Use God as a reason to do Stupid and Un-called for actions, for example, Picketing at a soldiers funeral and having signs that say, Its good he died, God is punishing you, WTH... i just wanna go over there and beat the Living Crap outa them.. this is NOT what Christians are supposed to be like, but , just like every other religion, you will have the idiotic fanatics. The Muslims have theirs, and Christianity has theirs..... Both are wrong, But there is really no way to stop either one.. just make sure you don't turn into something similar to this. As long as you don't, then your good..

that's it right there

Night Strike wrote:

AAFitz wrote:[

He is a racist. He simply enjoys confirming it on a regular basis. No doubt he will eventually go too far and embarrass all of Team CC in doing so. In my opinion he just has. In any case, I hope he truly believes what he wrote because on my signature its viewable 7500 times, unless of course its deemed racist and unfit for the CC forums, as I personally think it should be.

Islam is a religion, not a race, so there is no "confirming racism" in my post.

I didnt say it did specifically, only that you confirm it on a regular basis.

But which muslims in particular make threats and violence? You seem to imply all of them with this post. Are there any muslims that perhaps dont make threats and violence when they are offended?

Night Strike wrote:

jonesthecurl wrote:

Night Strike wrote:Why do Muslims make threats and violence whenever they are offended by an action such as depicting Muhammed or burning their bibles yet some countries do these same things toward Christianity on a frequent basis? If it's okay for Iranians to burn the bible and crosses, why isn't it ok for others to burn the koran?

I shouldn't need to instruct you on how Christianity works, given that I'm not one -
but apparently I do, since you don't seem to get it.

With Jesus, people were supposed to have moved on from "an eye for an eye" to "turn the other cheek".

And it is absolutely not a defense for a Christian to say "Me? You think that's bad? Look at what he's doing!"
- or don't you remember the bit about removing the beam from your own eye?

Woodruff wrote:

Night Strike wrote:Why do Muslims make threats and violence whenever they are offended by an action such as depicting Muhammed or burning their bibles yet some countries do these same things toward Christianity on a frequent basis? If it's okay for Iranians to burn the bible and crosses, why isn't it ok for others to burn the koran?

Dude...these people live in the United States of America. Do you really want the United States of America to become similar to Iran? I ask this, because it really appears that's what you're implying.

If it's not obvious what the difference is after my question above...the Iranians burning the Bible live in Iran. Those burning the Koran live in the United States of America.

As to whether it's "ok", well sure...they have the freedom to do it. But it's stupid on the face of it to do so.

Sorry, my point didn't seem to come across. There is an uproar among some in the US that these actions toward Muslims are bad to take, but they don't denounce the same actions taken toward Christians. I just want some consistency. I think both are bad and should not be done as both inflame tensions rather than lead to debate.

Your point came across. I addressed your point. Iran. United States. Different places.

Army of GOD wrote:No, see, it is stereotyping because he said "Why do Muslims". He in no way tried to declare a difference between the radical terrorists and the every day normal Muslims.

No this is not sterotyping and it's quite accurate. The average Muslim will get very angry when their faith is attacked. The average Christian only a lukewarm protest (if at that). Consider the level of protest against the infamous work of art of a crucifix in a bottle of urine, the so called "Piss Christ." Mostly whining to the secular media and at best a rally of a dozen or more. One might consider the typical Muslim response over the top, but that's only because they were paying attention and considered their faith important enough to get that upset over.

(That and most civil leaders in Muslim countries use these things to stir up patriotic nationalism.)

tzor wrote:The average Muslim will get very angry when their faith is attacked.

lol

Then again, this is coming from tzor, probably the biggest anti-Muslim person in OT, so it holds no weight.

tzor wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:No, see, it is stereotyping because he said "Why do Muslims". He in no way tried to declare a difference between the radical terrorists and the every day normal Muslims.

No this is not sterotyping and it's quite accurate. The average Muslim will get very angry when their faith is attacked.

Utterly ridiculous as always. For one thing, being angry is hardly comparable to making threats and causing violence. For another, its ridiculous to say the average muslim gets any more angry than any average Christian. In fact, in this case, we have a group of Christians burning books, and many posting against muslims as if they all act a certain way as a group.

But then, you dont really care about reality, only spreading hate because youve chosen a side and will say anything to spread that hate in hopes for a fight...even though it is completely against the very religion of Christianity which you pretend to defend.

Now that is accurate.

Who would've thought that Fitz and I actually share similar opinions...

tzor wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:No, see, it is stereotyping because he said "Why do Muslims". He in no way tried to declare a difference between the radical terrorists and the every day normal Muslims.

No this is not sterotyping and it's quite accurate. The average Muslim will get very angry when their faith is attacked.

You definitely run with a different Muslim crowd than I do. And it absolutely was stereotyping....without question.

AAFitz wrote:

tzor wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:No, see, it is stereotyping because he said "Why do Muslims". He in no way tried to declare a difference between the radical terrorists and the every day normal Muslims.

No this is not sterotyping and it's quite accurate. The average Muslim will get very angry when their faith is attacked.

Utterly ridiculous as always. For one thing, being angry is hardly comparable to making threats and causing violence. For another, its ridiculous to say the average muslim gets any more angry than any average Christian. In fact, in this case, we have a group of Christians burning books, and many posting against muslims as if they all act a certain way as a group.

But then, you dont really care about reality, only spreading hate because youve chosen a side and will say anything to spread that hate in hopes for a fight...even though it is completely against the very religion of Christianity which you pretend to defend.

Now that is accurate.

Both sides have legitimate reasons. It's their right to burn the Koran, no matter what I think about it. I would only like the media to please FUCKING STOP (really, does the world need to hear about this60 times a day?) painting this like America is holding a Koran burning, when it is really just one dude burning books

AAFitz wrote:

Nightstrike wrote:Why do Muslims make threats and violence whenever they are offended by an action such as depicting Muhammed or burning their bibles...

He is a racist. He simply enjoys confirming it on a regular basis. No doubt he will eventually go too far and embarrass all of Team CC in doing so. In my opinion he just has. In any case, I hope he truly believes what he wrote because on my signature its viewable 7500 times, unless of course its deemed racist and unfit for the CC forums, as I personally think it should be.

I would highly prefer that if you want to spread that I'm a racist around the forum via your signature you should at least include my actual comment and not just one half of the sentence. The full quote is

Why do Muslims make threats and violence whenever they are offended by an action such as depicting Muhammed or burning their bibles yet some countries do these same things toward Christianity on a frequent basis? If it's okay for Iranians to burn the bible and crosses, why isn't it ok for others to burn the koran?

but I would accept you just stopping at the first question mark. You can't cry racist if you have to edit the comment to make it fit your agenda. Same comment goes to AoG.

tzor wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:No, see, it is stereotyping because he said "Why do Muslims". He in no way tried to declare a difference between the radical terrorists and the every day normal Muslims.

No this is not sterotyping and it's quite accurate. The average Muslim will get very angry when their faith is attacked.

This has not been my experience from actual Muslims I've spoken to.

That and most civil leaders in Muslim countries use these things to stir up patriotic nationalism.

Possibly, though a dubious statement. Many majority Muslim countries have secular dictatorships or autocracies and the Islamic parties usually make up the opposition groups. The leadership of these places are wary of Islamists as they threaten their power they would not be likely to prop up the legitimacy of religion in politics.

Night Strike wrote:

AAFitz wrote:

Nightstrike wrote:Why do Muslims make threats and violence whenever they are offended by an action such as depicting Muhammed or burning their bibles...

He is a racist. He simply enjoys confirming it on a regular basis. No doubt he will eventually go too far and embarrass all of Team CC in doing so. In my opinion he just has. In any case, I hope he truly believes what he wrote because on my signature its viewable 7500 times, unless of course its deemed racist and unfit for the CC forums, as I personally think it should be.

I would highly prefer that if you want to spread that I'm a racist around the forum via your signature you should at least include my actual comment and not just one half of the sentence. The full quote is

Why do Muslims make threats and violence whenever they are offended by an action such as depicting Muhammed or burning their bibles yet some countries do these same things toward Christianity on a frequent basis? If it's okay for Iranians to burn the bible and crosses, why isn't it ok for others to burn the koran?

but I would accept you just stopping at the first question mark. You can't cry racist if you have to edit the comment to make it fit your agenda. Same comment goes to AoG.

If the sig is longer, no one is gonna bother to read it.

Trust me, I wouldn't.

Also, the your quote is over 235 characters, so even when I went to add the whole quote, it wouldn't let me.

What you said cannot even be taken out of context, because it is God damned crystal clear what you (and tzor) are saying.

Muslims = violent and angry

I don't think I see the logic that because some vague threatening they in the world burn American flags/Christian Bibles/United States Constitutions, that that perfect way to combat this is...with more fire! Yeah!

There is something also very alarming by the very existence of the question: "Why isn't it okay to burn the Qur'an?"

"Why isn't it okay beat up homosexuals?"
"Why isn't it okay rape women in Congo?"
"Why isn't it okay to assassinate rights workers in Russia?"


--Andy

What's the answer?

AndyDufresne wrote:I don't think I see the logic that because some vague threatening they in the world burn American flags/Christian Bibles/United States Constitutions, that that perfect way to combat this is...with more fire! Yeah!

There is something also very alarming by the very existence of the question: "Why isn't it okay to burn the Qur'an?"

"Why isn't it okay beat up homosexuals?"
"Why isn't it okay rape women in Congo?"
"Why isn't it okay to assassinate rights workers in Russia?"


--Andy

There is a huge, huge difference between supporting an action and supporting someone's freedom to do an action. Learn this difference. There's no need to push your morality onto other people.

jonesthecurl wrote:What's the answer?

I know!! All 3 of Andy's examples deal with harming other people while the original question is only harming an inanimate object. "Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose."

^ that too, which is why one is protected under the law and the others aren't. man andy went through a few bales in that post!

john9blue wrote:

AndyDufresne wrote:I don't think I see the logic that because some vague threatening they in the world burn American flags/Christian Bibles/United States Constitutions, that that perfect way to combat this is...with more fire! Yeah!

There is something also very alarming by the very existence of the question: "Why isn't it okay to burn the Qur'an?"

"Why isn't it okay beat up homosexuals?"
"Why isn't it okay rape women in Congo?"
"Why isn't it okay to assassinate rights workers in Russia?"


--Andy

There is a huge, huge difference between supporting an action and supporting someone's freedom to do an action. Learn this difference. There's no need to push your morality onto other people.

Yeah don't push your morality on me, it's my freedom-protected right to rape rights workers, beat up women in Russia and assassinate homosexuals in Congo. [/fail]

Night Strike wrote:Why do Muslims make threats and violence whenever they are offended by an action such as depicting Muhammed or burning their bibles yet some countries do these same things toward Christianity on a frequent basis? If it's okay for Iranians to burn the bible and crosses, why isn't it ok for others to burn the koran?

Alright. Let me phrase something back to you, using a very similar perspective:

"If you get down to it, you'll realize that white Christians are responsible for almost everything that is wrong with the world today. By using key membership status in international globalization-related organizations, they'll pass policies and undergo activities bent on undermining the national sovereignty of non-white non-Christian nations. These selfish white Christians will stop at nothing in order to benefit themselves."