Let's celebrate San Francisco, California liberalism

[jay_a2j]

I don't deny being direct. I don't use moral arguments of the same type that Christians do, but I've always said homosexuality is unnatural. But I really wasn't going to get into the whole hotgaybumsex* thing again. The main argument here (which you actually did grasp for a minute) is that in one case liberals are alright with consent when it applies to something they like - sodomy & homosexuality, but they're against it when it comes to something they don't like - interacting in the free market. That's hypocrisy.

*citation to b.k. barunt

eating a Big Mac is a choice, being Gay isn't.

Acting gay is.

[PLAYER57832]

The main argument here (which you actually did grasp for a minute) is that in one case liberals are alright with consent when it applies to something they like - sodomy & homosexuality, but they're against it when it comes to something they don't like - interacting in the free market. That's hypocrisy.

No, because sodomy and homosexuality do NOT harm society, might harm those involved, but NOT the rest of us. Kids eating unhealthy foods does. Furthermore (and not defending this law, just saying its not hypocritical to have it and not outlaw homosexuality as you imply), kids cannot make their own choices. Adults can.

[PLAYER57832]

For the record, I think having a rule like this just in San Farncisco will do more harm than good. It will just drive down McDonald's business in San Francisco proper. Families will just go a few miles further down the highway. (honestly think driving McDonald's, etc out is part of the plan here, but that's another story).

For my part, I am fully against advertising ANY of these unhealthy foods to kids, but not including a toy. I find it pretty hypocritical that Disney and Nick, even PBS all have blurbs expounding on good health, by McDonald's. A lot of direct advertising has been cut back and sure, you can get "apple dippers" or chocolate milk in a happy meal, but to claim that makes them "healthy" means parents and kids have no concept of real nutrition.

[Juan_Bottom]

I find it pretty hypocritical that Disney and Nick, even PBS all have blurbs expounding on good health, by McDonald's.

McDonald's sponsors the Olympics.

[PLAYER57832]

exactly .....

[beezer]

The main argument here (which you actually did grasp for a minute) is that in one case liberals are alright with consent when it applies to something they like - sodomy & homosexuality, but they're against it when it comes to something they don't like - interacting in the free market. That's hypocrisy.

No, because sodomy and homosexuality do NOT harm society, might harm those involved, but NOT the rest of us. Kids eating unhealthy foods does. Furthermore (and not defending this law, just saying its not hypocritical to have it and not outlaw homosexuality as you imply), kids cannot make their own choices. Adults can.

I disagree with this reasoning. Kids eating unhealthy food only hurts the actual kids who eat the unhealthy food. They're not hurting anyone else. It also is hypocritical in the sense that it implies that parents don't care about their children and are feeding them fast food in order to harm them. I understand the consent part, and that's a good point. However, where does the line get drawn for when a human being has the ability to consent and when they don't? Some kids are far more cognizant than others. I'm not going to pretend to have the absolute answer to that, but I don't think liberals do either.

What really baffles me is that you of all people on this site have pushed for socialized medicine. That means the cost of medical care, including the cost of treating those who contract AIDS, would be forced upon the rest of society. Homosexuals would not simply be harming themselves, but incurring the cost of care upon those who had absolutely nothing to do with their choice to sodomize each other.

I know that this will probably be twisted by many on the left to be mean spirited, but I actually do want to distinguish myself from bradley on this and his in-your-face style. It's sad to watch young men and women give in to these same sex attractions, act upon them, and hurt themselves physically as a result. I believe they can overcome those homosexual inclinations and spare themselves from contracting HIV.

[john9blue]

I know that this will probably be twisted by many on the left to be mean spirited, but I actually do want to distinguish myself from bradley on this and his in-your-face style. It's sad to watch young men and women give in to these same sex attractions, act upon them, and hurt themselves physically as a result. I believe they can overcome those homosexual inclinations and spare themselves from contracting HIV.

well would you say the same thing to man/woman couples? really, how much more likely are gay people to get an std?

[beezer]

I know that this will probably be twisted by many on the left to be mean spirited, but I actually do want to distinguish myself from bradley on this and his in-your-face style. It's sad to watch young men and women give in to these same sex attractions, act upon them, and hurt themselves physically as a result. I believe they can overcome those homosexual inclinations and spare themselves from contracting HIV.

well would you say the same thing to man/woman couples? really, how much more likely are gay people to get an std?

Have you looked at the HIV contraction rate put out by the Center For Disease Control? Since you've now shifted the focus from AIDS to STDs in general, I think that usually women contract them at greater rates. We'd have to take a look at their latest data. Anytime you deviate from staying faithful to one partner your risk of contraction increases.

[The Bison King]

I know that this will probably be twisted by many on the left to be mean spirited, but I actually do want to distinguish myself from bradley on this and his in-your-face style. It's sad to watch young men and women give in to these same sex attractions, act upon them, and hurt themselves physically as a result. I believe they can overcome those homosexual inclinations and spare themselves from contracting HIV.

Good God man this is America. Smoking gives people lung cancer, but you're allowed to do it. Happy Meals make you diabetic fatty mcfat fats but you're allowed eat them. Butt Sex could give you Aids, so what? Just because there are risks involved with your choices doesn't mean that your right to choose a risk should be compromised.

[Army of GOD]

Gays aren't the only one who gets AIDS...


In fact, everyone has AIDS...

[spurgistan]

Right, only gays get AIDS. Tell me, what's it like in 1983? I'm legitimately curious.

Haha as soon as I read this I thought of a certain shirt that Sebastian Bach (singer from Skid Row, and a complete douche, like all the hair/glam band members were) wore, that said "AIDS kill fa*s dead. I thought of posting it, but it seemed highly inappropriate. However it was from the eighties, and kinda proved spurgistan's point.

-TG

I feel like searching for this would make Google cry.

[targetman377]

the sad fact here is that THE GOVERNMENT IS RAISING OUR KIDS! how hard is it too say NO to your kid and if you don't fine that your choice. I am sorry but this just pisses me off. I am sorry but if you agree with this THAN YOU ARE DUMBER THEN A BOX OF ROCKS. sorry ok got that out of my system.

well where at it lets ban Halloween. (kids eat candy, sugar OH NO CAVITIES!

oh and Easter!!!! come on the chocolate bunny has way to many calories.

hell. lets just ban all fast food right!!!!!! YEAH!!!!!!!!! oh and lets ban soda there is lots of sugar in it and that drug C AFFINE

HAVE ANY OF YOU HERD OF FEE WILL, LIBERTY, FREEDOMS? well???

I don't fucken understand what is wrong with people these days

[GreecePwns]

This is what's wrong with people these days.

[PLAYER57832]

the sad fact here is that THE GOVERNMENT IS RAISING OUR KIDS!

This was VOTED IN by the people of San Francisco. I believe it is a stupid decision, but whining about some "government takeover" is just stupid. The government IS the PEOPLE.

The government is nothing. It is only what peope MAKE IT. So, yes, some people feel they want to tell other people what to do. What else is new?

Right wingers feel they have the right to tell people what to do in their bedrooms, in doctor's offices AND in churches. A few left wingers want to dictate whether corporations get to use toys to encourage kids to buy food that's bad for them

Compare them all you like, but as much as I believe this is a stupid rule, the DANGEROUS folks are not the liberals.. or the far left.

[HapSmo19]

You're out of your mind.

[targetman377]

This is what's wrong with people these days.

OK STOP FEEDING THESE KIDS!!!! why should everyone be punished for a couple of kids?

the sad fact here is that THE GOVERNMENT IS RAISING OUR KIDS!

This was VOTED IN by the people of San Francisco. I believe it is a stupid decision, but whining about some "government takeover" is just stupid. The government IS the PEOPLE.

The government is nothing. It is only what peope MAKE IT. So, yes, some people feel they want to tell other people what to do. What else is new?

Right wingers feel they have the right to tell people what to do in their bedrooms, in doctor's offices AND in churches. A few left wingers want to dictate whether corporations get to use toys to encourage kids to buy food that's bad for them

Compare them all you like, but as much as I believe this is a stupid rule, the DANGEROUS folks are not the liberals.. or the far left.

-It is government takeover period they are dictating what you can and cant eat. how is that not government takeover. and yes the government is just made of REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE NOT THE PEOPLE!!! All you liberals and left wingers need to RELIZE SOMETHING WE DO NOT LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY! and if you think we do well i am sorry for you.
-I never said that governments should tell people what to do in churches or in doctors offices.
-oh right those crazy right wing people are the scary ones right! you do know the political spectrum is A GOD DAM CIRCLE EXTREME LEFT IS DICTATORSHIP EXTREME RIGHT IS FASCIST. and don't say it is not look at Soviet Russia!

[Phatscotty]

[PLAYER57832]

-It is government takeover period they are dictating what you can and cant eat. how is that not government takeover.

You act as thought there were some big "boogie guy" called "government" that dictates all this. That is a lie or ignoring reality. There is no "government" apart from people. In this particular case, the law was passed via reforendum. That means a majority of PEOPLE in SF decided they wanted this rule. Agains this, you do have a lot of money and power in the form of fast food corporations. You, who cry about "freedom" are complaining because the people outvoted some big corporations. You are the hypocrite. (and again, I do NOT like this law, but its not some "government plot" as you wish to imply, it is some busy-body people dictating what happens in their community.)

and yes the government is just made of REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE NOT THE PEOPLE!!! All you liberals and left wingers need to RELIZE SOMETHING WE DO NOT LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY! and if you think we do well i am sorry for you.

LOL .. no , we live in a Republic. However, the reforendum process in California actually is a process that requires people to step forward and put their personnal signatures on a petition. When enough PEOPLE do that, then the item gets put on a ballot, so the rest of the PEOPLE can decide. In other words, it is pretty close to a real Democratic process.

I never said that governments should tell people what to do in churches or in doctors offices. [/quote]Hmm... well, I said right wingers. Are you one? That's for you to say.

Yes, they do wish to dictate that If I want to go to my doctor to get birth control, or many other things, I should not be able to . Yes, they do wish to dictate if I miscarry a child, I cannot go to a doctor's office and have it removed. Because, see, that procedure is an abortion. (check on any real medical site.. the definition of a Miscarriage includes the term "abortion". See, I actually know about the laws and policies I criticize.

--oh right those crazy right wing people are the scary ones right! you do know the political spectrum is A GOD DAM CIRCLE EXTREME LEFT IS DICTATORSHIP EXTREME RIGHT IS FASCIST. and don't say it is not look at Soviet Russia!

Yes. Except right now, the far left is not even acknowledged to exist. And, what you folks try to claim is the "far left" is truly just middle of the road.

I said earlier that this law was not truly liberal, it was far left. The more I think it over, the more I realize I was wrong there. This is a slightly left rule, but it is not yet a far left rule. A far left rule would say that these items could not be sold at all OR that even telling kids about them before, say they reach majority, is prohibited. Now those would, indeed be truly draconian rules. But, they are so far from any possible reality, its not worth worrying about right now.

That abortion, homosexuality and the right to just plain live our lives the way we wish without corporations taking over any means of livelihood except catering to their full whims... THAT is very much a real and true possibility. In fact, we may already be there.

[PLAYER57832]

You're out of your mind.

Well, you know you've won when your opponents have to descend to name-calling instead of addressing any real points.
So, thanks for yet another win!

[The Bison King]

This is what's wrong with people these days.

OK STOP FEEDING THESE KIDS!!!! why should everyone be punished for a couple of kids?

the sad fact here is that THE GOVERNMENT IS RAISING OUR KIDS!

This was VOTED IN by the people of San Francisco. I believe it is a stupid decision, but whining about some "government takeover" is just stupid. The government IS the PEOPLE.

The government is nothing. It is only what peope MAKE IT. So, yes, some people feel they want to tell other people what to do. What else is new?

Right wingers feel they have the right to tell people what to do in their bedrooms, in doctor's offices AND in churches. A few left wingers want to dictate whether corporations get to use toys to encourage kids to buy food that's bad for them

Compare them all you like, but as much as I believe this is a stupid rule, the DANGEROUS folks are not the liberals.. or the far left.

-It is government takeover period they are dictating what you can and cant eat. how is that not government takeover. and yes the government is just made of REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE NOT THE PEOPLE!!! All you liberals and left wingers need to RELIZE SOMETHING WE DO NOT LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY! and if you think we do well i am sorry for you.
-I never said that governments should tell people what to do in churches or in doctors offices.
-oh right those crazy right wing people are the scary ones right! you do know the political spectrum is A GOD DAM CIRCLE EXTREME LEFT IS DICTATORSHIP EXTREME RIGHT IS FASCIST. and don't say it is not look at Soviet Russia!

.... Ok so let me get this straight Liberals need to realize that we do not live in a Democracy? Because we don't vote or have checks and balances, and because the Democratic party is actually a socialist regime that is infecting America and poisoning the water, right?

Personally I don't agree with any legislature that inhibits what other citizens can or can not do based other peoples personal morals or values. In fact I think it's down right un-American. That being said Right wingers need to shake this retarded notion that being a Liberal is un-American. Being Liberal is at it's heart very American.

[targetman377]

.... Ok so let me get this straight Liberals need to realize that we do not live in a Democracy? Because we don't vote or have checks and balances, and because the Democratic party is actually a socialist regime that is infecting America and poisoning the water, right?

Personally I don't agree with any legislature that inhibits what other citizens can or can not do based other peoples personal morals or values. In fact I think it's down right un-American. That being said Right wingers need to shake this retarded notion that being a Liberal is un-American. Being Liberal is at it's heart very American.

- WE DO NOT LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY!!! a democracy is a form of government we everyone votes for everything! meaning there is not legislation. no executive power. There would be no need for them as in a DEMOCRACY the majority always wins!!! even if it is only by one vote. (bye bye rights of the minority) A REPUBLIC!!!! is a form of government where we elect officials to represent us and make the decisions for US!!!!! ( in my opinion this is a far better form of government than Democracy.)

second i never said liberal people are un-American

[The Bison King]

second i never said liberal people are un-American

It's definitely been the vibe most conservatives have been giving off lately.

[PLAYER57832]

second i never said liberal people are un-American

It's definitely been the vibe most conservatives have been giving off lately.

Gotta clarify, its not conservatives who say this, not really. Its the right-wingers. Those same folks who make William Buckley look like a flaming liberal commie.

[jay_a2j]

You're out of your mind.

Well, you know you've won when your opponents have to descend to name-calling instead of addressing any real points.
So, thanks for yet another win!

Unless, in fact you are out of your mind. Which seems to be the case where liberalism is concerned.


And he wasn't name calling, just stating his professional opinion after going over your charts.

[Phatscotty]

You're out of your mind.

Well, you know you've won when your opponents have to descend to name-calling instead of addressing any real points.
So, thanks for yet another win!

no, really, you are out of your mind...