Conquer Club

The Voice wrote:I'm ashamed to call myself a mod because of you.

about time someone from team CC steps up and speaks their mind... i'm sure it isn't a popular move, but you just gained mega street cred in the forums...-el Jesus negro

I wonder if the ppl he played and banned were even multis... take Game 10252517 for instance... Gadinger had been on the site for 3+ years... he starts to beat Masli in the game and gets banned... what if he wasn't even a multi, just a victim of Masli's power trip?

Any even question that?

owenshooter wrote:

The Voice wrote:I'm ashamed to call myself a mod because of you.

about time someone from team CC steps up and speaks their mind... i'm sure it isn't a popular move, but you just gained mega street cred in the forums...-el Jesus negro

It would hold more worth (not to take anything away from what you said there Voice), but if a mod from the C&A or Clan dept. would say the same thing, that would be monumental.

QoH wrote:

owenshooter wrote:

The Voice wrote:I'm ashamed to call myself a mod because of you.

about time someone from team CC steps up and speaks their mind... i'm sure it isn't a popular move, but you just gained mega street cred in the forums...-el Jesus negro

It would hold more worth (not to take anything away from what you said there Voice), but if a mod from the C&A or Clan dept. would say the same thing, that would be monumental.

It would be grossly inappropriate.

The most important requirements for someone in C&A are:
1. To keep a cool head; and
2. To avoid jumping to conclusions, and study the facts thoroughly.

Even really simple cases sometimes take a lot more time than this one has been in the pipes, and considering that this one broke at the beginning of a holiday weekend, it's really unreasonable to expect anyone to have investigated it thoroughly this soon.

owenshooter wrote:

The Voice wrote:I'm ashamed to call myself a mod because of you.

about time someone from team CC steps up and speaks their mind... i'm sure it isn't a popular move, but you just gained mega street cred in the forums...-el Jesus negro

Any mod who puts his/her head above the parapet and says what they really think rather than trotting out the corporate line, dserves a lot of respect in my opinion.

Dukasaur wrote: It would be grossly inappropriate.

The most important requirements for someone in C&A are:
1. To keep a cool head; and
2. To avoid jumping to conclusions, and study the facts thoroughly.

Even really simple cases sometimes take a lot more time than this one has been in the pipes, and considering that this one broke at the beginning of a holiday weekend, it's really unreasonable to expect anyone to have investigated it thoroughly this soon.

I think you're missing my point. To see a Mod, as hmsps put it, not trot out the corporate line is huge because it shows that not everyone is in cahoots in Team CC. It's not a question of keeping a cool head and whatnot, it's showing that you'll stand up for what you think is right, no matter if you're a mod or not.

eddie2 wrote:so what if he has gained 150 points joining games and kicking multis out.

this comment alone sums up your integrity.

Great-Ollie wrote:By the way this is not going to just go away, far too many people pissed off now! Another thread just popped up!

Nope... the question now is: Will all stop with the Maslis case? I think that someone missed that moment few days ago...

Army of GOD wrote:Obviously for team CC coming out with a "not guilty" verdict is desirable, so I'd be surprised to see anything but that.

Too many people will not like that decision and too many threads will be opened because of it.

eddie2 wrote:so what if he has gained 150 points joining games and kicking multis out.

Correction he has earned ~150 points from his last 86 games... he has around 1700 games from that type. Now can u do us a favor and calculate how many points had he earned?

The Voice wrote:To Malsi: Even if KA finds you innocent, you should've known better.I'm ashamed to call myself a mod because of you.

Strong words

EagleofGreenErth wrote:I wonder if the ppl he played and banned were even multis... take Game 10252517 for instance... Gadinger had been on the site for 3+ years... he starts to beat Masli in the game and gets banned...

that is interesting... was this even addressed or was an e-ticket sent?-0

GoranZ wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:Obviously for team CC coming out with a "not guilty" verdict is desirable, so I'd be surprised to see anything but that.

Too many people will not like that decision and too many threads will be opened because of it.

So he's presumed guilty and only a guilty ruling (and probably immediate dismissal from Team CC) will suffice?

GoranZ wrote:

eddie2 wrote:so what if he has gained 150 points joining games and kicking multis out.

Correction he has earned ~150 points from his last 86 games... he has around 1700 games from that type. Now can u do us a favor and calculate how many points had he earned?

Masli has not been a multi hunter for his entire time on the site, so unless he has played 1700 1v1 games since he became one, you can't try to extrapolate those numbers out.

owenshooter wrote:

EagleofGreenErth wrote:I wonder if the ppl he played and banned were even multis... take Game 10252517 for instance... Gadinger had been on the site for 3+ years... he starts to beat Masli in the game and gets banned...

that is interesting... was this even addressed or was an e-ticket sent?-0

If the user was innocent and had submitted an eticket, they would have been reinstated. Two weeks have passed and that hasn't been done yet (at least the cleared part, which is all I have access to).

Like I stated earlier, it's a HUGE leap to go from busting multis to gain points all the way to making wrongful busts just to gain points. Stick with the first argument because the second is just stupid.

Night Strike wrote:Like I stated earlier, it's a HUGE leap to go from busting multis to gain points all the way to making wrongful busts just to gain points. Stick with the first argument because the second is just stupid.

Shouldn't both be investigated?

Gadinger

looking back through his game results, I dont see much there to label him a multi when it comes to playing with another account. he might have another account that he uses so he can play more than 4 games, but I dont know if he was a premium or not.

Here's another issue: Why were these players kicked out of the games at all? Take a look at this thread where I was asking for a change in the busted multi-account punishments. One of my issues is that caught multis were allowed to continue their currant games, even in the games they were playing with one of their multi-accounts. Only the multi-accounts were booted from the games and had the accounts deleted. So why would a multi who was caught in these cases, be booted from a game right away, especially considering that they were 1v1 and their multi-accounts werent even in the games?

Multis and anyone receiving a permanent website ban have been immediately kicked out of games for a long time. I believe there was a post about it when it was implemented because people were upset about how multis could still play out their games and win points.

Night Strike wrote:

GoranZ wrote:

eddie2 wrote:so what if he has gained 150 points joining games and kicking multis out.

Correction he has earned ~150 points from his last 86 games... he has around 1700 games from that type. Now can u do us a favor and calculate how many points had he earned?

Masli has not been a multi hunter for his entire time on the site, so unless he has played 1700 1v1 games since he became one, you can't try to extrapolate those numbers out.

He didn't necessarily need to be a Multi-Hunter to abuse the system.... Hypothetically speaking.

Lx

QoH wrote:

Dukasaur wrote: It would be grossly inappropriate.

The most important requirements for someone in C&A are:
1. To keep a cool head; and
2. To avoid jumping to conclusions, and study the facts thoroughly.

Even really simple cases sometimes take a lot more time than this one has been in the pipes, and considering that this one broke at the beginning of a holiday weekend, it's really unreasonable to expect anyone to have investigated it thoroughly this soon.

I think you're missing my point. To see a Mod, as hmsps put it, not trot out the corporate line is huge because it shows that not everyone is in cahoots in Team CC. It's not a question of keeping a cool head and whatnot, it's showing that you'll stand up for what you think is right, no matter if you're a mod or not.

The last part I totally agree with. One should always do what's right. But you're missing my point. Let's put your original post back into perspective:

QoH wrote:

owenshooter wrote:

The Voice wrote:I'm ashamed to call myself a mod because of you.

about time someone from team CC steps up and speaks their mind... i'm sure it isn't a popular move, but you just gained mega street cred in the forums...-el Jesus negro

It would hold more worth (not to take anything away from what you said there Voice), but if a mod from the C&A or Clan dept. would say the same thing, that would be monumental.

Voice said to Masli, "I'm ashamed ... because of you" (clearly implying that he thinks Masli is guilty) to which you answered that someone from C&A should say the same thing. I'm saying they definitely should not say any such thing, because they aren't free to jump to conclusions. Their job is to consider all the facts before making a decision.

The Voice is a pink nametag, as am I, and nobody is all that concerned about our opinions. Our lack of power has one benefit: we have a lot of freedom to say what we want, because our opinions don't have much impact on anyone else. But the mods with real power, the green and lime and orange and gold nametags, have to be very careful of their words, because their opinions do have real impact on others. And for a lime or orange nametag to say he's ashamed of someone when that someone hasn't had his day in court, would be grossly inappropriate, because it would imply prejudgement.

Night Strike wrote:

GoranZ wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:Obviously for team CC coming out with a "not guilty" verdict is desirable, so I'd be surprised to see anything but that.

Too many people will not like that decision and too many threads will be opened because of it.

So he's presumed guilty and only a guilty ruling (and probably immediate dismissal from Team CC) will suffice?

He can also resign and save remaining C&A team some time.

Night Strike wrote:

GoranZ wrote:

eddie2 wrote:so what if he has gained 150 points joining games and kicking multis out.

Correction he has earned ~150 points from his last 86 games... he has around 1700 games from that type. Now can u do us a favor and calculate how many points had he earned?

Masli has not been a multi hunter for his entire time on the site, so unless he has played 1700 1v1 games since he became one, you can't try to extrapolate those numbers out.

I checked his last 86 public 1v1 games that last 24 hours and 25 from them ended with a ban. He has another 1600 games that fulfill the criteria, I don't have plans to check them all, 25 games form last 86 are enough for me. But if u like u can check the last (for example)286 games and share what u have found.

Dukasaur wrote:Voice said to Masli, "I'm ashamed ... because of you" (clearly implying that he thinks Masli is guilty) to which you answered that someone from C&A should say the same thing. I'm saying they definitely should not say any such thing, because they aren't free to jump to conclusions. Their job is to consider all the facts before making a decision.

The Voice is a pink nametag, as am I, and nobody is all that concerned about our opinions. Our lack of power has one benefit: we have a lot of freedom to say what we want, because our opinions don't have much impact on anyone else. But the mods with real power, the green and lime and orange and gold nametags, have to be very careful of their words, because their opinions do have real impact on others. And for a lime or orange nametag to say he's ashamed of someone when that someone hasn't had his day in court, would be grossly inappropriate, because it would imply prejudgement.

You totally lost me there mate.... Either I don't understand what you're saying or it's totally ridiculous.

It depends on your color if you're allowed to imply prejudgement?

Lx

Night Strike wrote:

GoranZ wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:Obviously for team CC coming out with a "not guilty" verdict is desirable, so I'd be surprised to see anything but that.

Too many people will not like that decision and too many threads will be opened because of it.

So he's presumed guilty and only a guilty ruling (and probably immediate dismissal from Team CC) will suffice?

The problem is that it's happening behind closed doors. The public has no idea what to think here.

Lindax wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:Voice said to Masli, "I'm ashamed ... because of you" (clearly implying that he thinks Masli is guilty) to which you answered that someone from C&A should say the same thing. I'm saying they definitely should not say any such thing, because they aren't free to jump to conclusions. Their job is to consider all the facts before making a decision.

The Voice is a pink nametag, as am I, and nobody is all that concerned about our opinions. Our lack of power has one benefit: we have a lot of freedom to say what we want, because our opinions don't have much impact on anyone else. But the mods with real power, the green and lime and orange and gold nametags, have to be very careful of their words, because their opinions do have real impact on others. And for a lime or orange nametag to say he's ashamed of someone when that someone hasn't had his day in court, would be grossly inappropriate, because it would imply prejudgement.

You totally lost me there mate.... Either I don't understand what you're saying or it's totally ridiculous.

It depends on your color if you're allowed to imply prejudgement?

I think it's a bad practise for anyone to engage in. But there are real consequences when someone with real power does it, whereas it's merely a nuisance when someone without power does it.

Army of GOD wrote:

Night Strike wrote:

GoranZ wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:Obviously for team CC coming out with a "not guilty" verdict is desirable, so I'd be surprised to see anything but that.

Too many people will not like that decision and too many threads will be opened because of it.

So he's presumed guilty and only a guilty ruling (and probably immediate dismissal from Team CC) will suffice?

The problem is that it's happening behind closed doors. The public has no idea what to think here.

I think plenty of public members have let their opinions be heard on this matter, so obviously that aspect is not being hindered. And how would this take place in public? Tell me what the process would look like. Remember, none of it can include details about the information-gathering process of busing multis, so obviously a lot of the potential comments would have to be redacted, which would just lead to more cries about the process not being "open".

GoranZ wrote:

Night Strike wrote:

GoranZ wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:Obviously for team CC coming out with a "not guilty" verdict is desirable, so I'd be surprised to see anything but that.

Too many people will not like that decision and too many threads will be opened because of it.

So he's presumed guilty and only a guilty ruling (and probably immediate dismissal from Team CC) will suffice?

He can also resign and save remaining C&A team some time.

And my point has been proven.

GoranZ wrote:

Night Strike wrote:

GoranZ wrote:

eddie2 wrote:so what if he has gained 150 points joining games and kicking multis out.

Correction he has earned ~150 points from his last 86 games... he has around 1700 games from that type. Now can u do us a favor and calculate how many points had he earned?

Masli has not been a multi hunter for his entire time on the site, so unless he has played 1700 1v1 games since he became one, you can't try to extrapolate those numbers out.

I checked his last 86 public 1v1 games that last 24 hours and 25 from them ended with a ban. He has another 1600 games that fulfill the criteria, I don't have plans to check them all, 25 games form last 86 are enough for me. But if u like u can check the last (for example)286 games and share what u have found.

Masli has played 1700 1v1 games since he has become a multi hunter? Impressive.

You're not getting my point. Masli's very first 1v1 game was in 2007 (when 1v1 games were first released), and he was not a hunter at that time. Therefore, you cannot try to use 25/86 games to extrapolate points gained over 1700 games. I'm not going to be checking any games, but I just want to make sure you're getting your facts right as you go around accusing people of massive abuse.

Lindax wrote:
You totally lost me there mate.... Either I don't understand what you're saying or it's totally ridiculous.

It depends on your color if you're allowed to imply prejudgement?

Lx

Of course it makes sense, when the judge/jury in a case states "that cheating bastard is gonna fry" before the trial has even started, that would show a wee bit of prejudice against the defendant. Thus it would be silly for them to state anything either way, else they show their bias. Of course some of the public is of the opinion that the system is rigged and this long-arm-of-the-law will get away with the aforementioned misdeed. To paraphrase poorly, everyone is equal but some are more equal than others.

Oh, and Eddie, put that money back in your crack dealer's purse. Just because it's only $10 and they shouldn't have had the money anyway doesn't make it alright to steal. That is black and white and your positions of defense are laughable at best. I bet Masli is wishing you would stop trying to come to his defense as you are doing little more than digging the hole deeper. Leave the clever stuff to that master manipulator, shameless attention whore ratrat I mean jefjef.

And yes, the lowly public needs to wait for more information to be handed down from Mount Olympus before they scream resolution in either direction. But you can't really fault some of the general public from wanting to chew the fat on this tasty new topic, so maybe the loyalist can back off a little on the "he's great so shut up" and let people have their fun... just like Masli had fun kicking multi's and stealing points...

LoL this is never ending the one of you,any of you who has never abused a single rule on CC and gotten away with it step forward now please,That includes baiting and flaming someone. Please dont be shy come forward oh wise and virtuous one(s)Not saying Masli is wrong,my opinion is different than most of you posters that continue to (howl) for justice of your choosing. Even when you were punished most of the time it was a slap on the wrist (warned), And you damn well knew you were in direct violation of the rules. So cut the B.S. this is personal for almost everyone of you.As I said let the Virtuous one(s) of you step forward,otherwise shut the hell up with your opinions about what you demand the punishment if any be. Tired of seeing you whine over and over promoting your personal vendetta's in disguise of peity wanting honest justice. If you have never,ever,ever abused CC rules in any way this post is not intended for you. The rest of you for once please take a hint and be silent for once it will surely show you are smarter than you think you are.

I wouldnt be surprised if all the mods have been using this method of winning. Just buddy-buddy up to a multi-hunter and BAM free points.

Master Bush wrote:I wouldnt be surprised if all the mods have been using this method of winning. Just buddy-buddy up to a multi-hunter and BAM free points.

I am sure you include former mods in your statement.

No Semp I think he is talking current like yourself with that outstanding high rank you have. You have obviously cheated to attain it. Can you give me a few pointers? Oh nevermind I have that rank for now