FreeFalling123

[NoSurvivors]

He played a bunch of doodle speeders, as well as battle royales for Doc Dice.

So bad, from what I have seen last game where they were together was played in November, so he did not have direct personal benefit from playing for Doc Dice.

Pity he did that, he is extraordinary skilled player and worth of his rank.

Well if it s pnly this.. FF just wanted to play unranked a few games and I don t see how his score is tainted.
I don t want to get into the whole unranked games discussion because it s pointless.
Mr changsha s argument is ridiculously stupid. Create a battle speed battle royale week end and there you will see people "glide up to the top" if they are really good like half a dozen players did.
Who the f*ck cares? It was proposed to give a limited amount of unranked games per month, but even that would "dramatically affect the scoreboard" according to CC's fine minds.
So let s say you are ranked 5th, you really think you would stop playing ranked games and you wouldn t try to beat the 4th if you are so obsessed with the ranking?
Also since this discussion we have bot games that are unranked but don t offer any kind of challenge.
I m not gonna blame FF. Something very basic is not available on the site because of a few old ladies. The only problem here is that doc dice got his score artificially inflated.

Sorry betiko you cant have your cake and eat it. If you want to rise right to the top of the scoreboard then you have to accept game limitation. If CC had unranked games then players in the top 50 or so WOULD be able to throw it around like a colonel or a major and I think most people would think that wrong...mainly because the bastards would never descend from the heavens again!

Btw..ridiculously stupid?

I see your point. This is why I believe you should only be able to play a minimal amount of non ranked games (maybe buying them with conquer stars). They should also not be able to gain conquer stars from these games, plus they dont count toward your activity level (you have to play a RANKED game to stay on the scoreboard)

[iAmCaffeine]

Basically high ranks who are scared of losing their rank want unranked games to reduce the chances of moving down the scoreboard. Kinda pathetic, man up.

[benga]

Basically high ranks who are scared of losing their rank want unranked games to reduce the chances of moving down the scoreboard. Kinda pathetic, man up.

lets help him and reduce his points, so he isn't afraid anymore

he did this just to be monthy leader, seems to be that scoreboard has to go, it's being abused way too much

[betiko]

Basically high ranks who are scared of losing their rank want unranked games to reduce the chances of moving down the scoreboard. Kinda pathetic, man up.

lets help him and reduce his points, so he isn't afraid anymore

he did this just to be monthy leader, seems to be that scoreboard has to go, it's being abused way too much

I think the powerscore ranking is ok, but the best progression seriously.... That is absolutely horrible. I mean we are debating here to get a few unranked games but that progression scoreboard is the devil!
Basically, it incentivates to point drop like crazy by the end of the month and farm the next month to get there. But it s also easier to just create a multi account. At least it s a great way to bust multis!
I m ok with the powerscore thing.. But really, if people agree with this, we should ask for this progression ranking to be abolished and the tainted medal that goes with it.

[betiko]

Basically high ranks who are scared of losing their rank want unranked games to reduce the chances of moving down the scoreboard. Kinda pathetic, man up.

I m not caring that much right now, but i know that when i was on my tops at some point last year i wanted to goof around on speed games on luck based games vs anyone, but that i had to restrain myself. Like we already said.. On poker sites for example you have cash or no cash games available, you can decide if you play for real or not.

I don t know, maybe another idea could be that the only ranked games you could play would be against people within your score range, and all the unranked you want vs noobs. That would make farming impossible.. Because if you farm someone of your rank it s not farming anymore, you ve been more astute and you will keep facing tougher opponents if you keep winning. If you have a given setting and everyone falls for it.. Well congrats you deserve to be on the top cause no one is capable of countering your strategies! People will eather beat you at some point or stop joining your settings..
Basically if you re conqueror, you could only be challenged in ranked games vs the very top players in matchups for the crown.

[iAmCaffeine]

Basically high ranks who are scared of losing their rank want unranked games to reduce the chances of moving down the scoreboard. Kinda pathetic, man up.

I m not caring that much right now, but i know that when i was on my tops at some point last year i wanted to goof around on speed games on luck based games vs anyone, but that i had to restrain myself. Like we already said.. On poker sites for example you have cash or no cash games available, you can decide if you play for real or not.

I don t know, maybe another idea could be that the only ranked games you could play would be against people within your score range, and all the unranked you want vs noobs. That would make farming impossible.. Because if you farm someone of your rank it s not farming anymore, you ve been more astute and you will keep facing tougher opponents if you keep winning. If you have a given setting and everyone falls for it.. Well congrats you deserve to be on the top cause no one is capable of countering your strategies! People will eather beat you at some point or stop joining your settings..
Basically if you re conqueror, you could only be challenged in ranked games vs the very top players in matchups for the crown.

No. The site needs things to bring new players into the game; this would have the opposite effect. Nobody is going to leave because of the ranking sytem, it's been a mess for ages apparently, not that I agree.

I do think the new scoreboards were a bad idea though. Minus the medal scoreboard, I guess.

[betiko]

Why would it have the opposite effect? Play goofy games for fun against anyone, play ranked game just against authorized opponents (in your score range). Farming impossible on the long run, and a scoreboard way more accurate. Just think about it.

Let s say you re new to the site and that s the system in place. Why exactly would that system make you run away compared to the current one?

[iAmCaffeine]

Because if I'm a PFC I'm not likely to learn much from other people my rank. A common form of advice is to player higher ranks and learn while you're a striper.

Speed games would completely die as well.

How would you manage team games?

[josko.ri]

Just a heads up, FF is missing turns today. If someone has his pw maybe save low time ones.

[josko.ri]

Just a heads up, FF is missing turns today. If someone has his pw maybe save low time ones.

[josko.ri]

Just a heads up, FF is missing turns today. If someone has his pw maybe save low time ones.

[josko.ri]

Just a heads up, FF is missing turns today. If someone has his pw maybe save low time ones.

[Armandolas]

Basically high ranks who are scared of losing their rank want unranked games to reduce the chances of moving down the scoreboard. Kinda pathetic, man up.

hard way to say it but true. You want to play ? Risk your points
This is like gambling. not half the fun if no money is involved. Here is not money but points. What would be the funt o play and not risk loosing/wiining anything
Go play the bots please
I must also admit that your idea about ranked games only between same ranks are one of the worst ive ever read ..and sry i wont explain why.
Just remember, u are a map comander now..fear no one

[Armandolas]

Basically high ranks who are scared of losing their rank want unranked games to reduce the chances of moving down the scoreboard. Kinda pathetic, man up.

lets help him and reduce his points, so he isn't afraid anymore

he did this just to be monthy leader, seems to be that scoreboard has to go, it's being abused way too much

how did he do that?
i know how the crown did it..but what was ff abuse to achieve the monthly leader?

[jetsetwilly]

FF's abuse was not to benefit his own account.

[iAmCaffeine]

FF's abuse was not to benefit his own account.

Whether intentional or not, it did.

[owenshooter]

FF's abuse was not to benefit his own account.

how is it not a benefit to any of our accounts to play as many games as we like without risking any points? i would say that is a HUGE benefit to an account. it isn't as egregious as say what Blitzaholic did, but it is an abuse. have you not seen all the higher ranked guys roll in here and say how much they would love to play a small amount of games per month without risking any point loss? i know that every time i have hit major i significantly change who i play, maps i play, etc... why? one loss while playing a "fun" game can just kill your score... what he did was an abuse and they should have done a full reset, not the BS reset to where they could track the abuse from. again, forum violations where less than 1% of CC'ers even visit, are treated more harshly than cheating and abuse that affect the scoreboard. you can't say his actions didn't affect the scoreboard, because they did... the black jesus has called cheating, cheating...-el Jesus negro

[jetsetwilly]

FF's abuse was not to benefit his own account.

how is it not a benefit to any of our accounts to play as many games as we like without risking any points? i would say that is a HUGE benefit to an account. it isn't as egregious as say what Blitzaholic did, but it is an abuse. have you not seen all the higher ranked guys roll in here and say how much they would love to play a small amount of games per month without risking any point loss? i know that every time i have hit major i significantly change who i play, maps i play, etc... why? one loss while playing a "fun" game can just kill your score... what he did was an abuse and they should have done a full reset, not the BS reset to where they could track the abuse from. again, forum violations where less than 1% of CC'ers even visit, are treated more harshly than cheating and abuse that affect the scoreboard. you can't say his actions didn't affect the scoreboard, because they did... the black jesus has called cheating, cheating...-el Jesus negro

I'm not here to defend him or agree/disagree with the punishment that was applied.I removed him from the clan as a result. I simply meant the freefalling account didn't gain any points because of it. I completely understand the point you are making. I guess the question is, would he have played those games on his own account if not on the other one. I suspect not but I have no idea. The other point is I suppose. Did he become a better player for playing those games. That seems unlikely but if true then yes I suppose that could impact the scoreboard.

[betiko]

Because if I'm a PFC I'm not likely to learn much from other people my rank. A common form of advice is to player higher ranks and learn while you're a striper.

Speed games would completely die as well.

How would you manage team games?

I m sorry but you're saying that if you're playing josko in a none ranked game you wouldn't learn anything, but if you play josko in a ranked game you would learn something? How does this even makes sense to you?
If things worked like that system, you would have much bigger chances to fight against any top player, they wouldn't mind playing all the casual fun games they want with no risk involved against strippers and such.

Players would put the effort they want into competitive games and the effort they want into fun games/learning new settings and maps.


Funny how everybody is always criticizing the system, but at the end of the day no one wants to change the slightest thing. I'd like to see more people saying that they like everything how it is then! instead of pooping on it then act as if we were about to rape your mother when we suggest a change.

[betiko]

Basically high ranks who are scared of losing their rank want unranked games to reduce the chances of moving down the scoreboard. Kinda pathetic, man up.

hard way to say it but true. You want to play ? Risk your points
This is like gambling. not half the fun if no money is involved. Here is not money but points. What would be the funt o play and not risk loosing/wiining anything
Go play the bots please
I must also admit that your idea about ranked games only between same ranks are one of the worst ive ever read ..and sry i wont explain why.
Just remember, u are a map comander now..fear no one

well if you don't explain why, I will never know why you think so!
And it's like gambling : exactly. go on some gambling site; you can play with fake or real money. If there is no fun to play without risking anything for you; well good news, you can play only ranked games, no obligation to play unranked!
Where exaclty are you making a point in your message armado?

i don't know, if you look at some video games you play online like Halo. There is a kind of ELO ranking like here; and when you play ranked games you will face people of your score range. If you do good against people of your rank range, you move up and just keep facing tougher opposition, you do bad you rank down. You also have some game modes that you play unranked just for fun. There is no way to choose to face always easy opposition to rank up the way you can on this site.

how is the actual system more accurate concerning skills? I don't know... is this reall that "crazy" to not even be considered?

[iAmCaffeine]

Because if I'm a PFC I'm not likely to learn much from other people my rank. A common form of advice is to player higher ranks and learn while you're a striper.

Speed games would completely die as well.

How would you manage team games?

I m sorry but you're saying that if you're playing josko in a none ranked game you wouldn't learn anything, but if you play josko in a ranked game you would learn something? How does this even makes sense to you?
If things worked like that system, you would have much bigger chances to fight against any top player, they wouldn't mind playing all the casual fun games they want with no risk involved against strippers and such.

Players would put the effort they want into competitive games and the effort they want into fun games/learning new settings and maps.


Funny how everybody is always criticizing the system, but at the end of the day no one wants to change the slightest thing. I'd like to see more people saying that they like everything how it is then! instead of pooping on it then act as if we were about to rape your mother when we suggest a change.

I am happy for the system to change, but not with unranked games.

It is easy for a colonel to comment on the proposal of unranked games. Try getting the perspetive of some stripers. It's just more desperation for high ranks to stay at the top by any means possible, only now you want it to become a legit method.

[iAmCaffeine]

Sure I could learn by playing josko if I was on his team on a big map with unlimited settings, that's about it. He could learn just as much from me on any of my speciality maps. I don't even know hoe many people I've taught to play ToG to an advanced level, not just basic strategy, and I am happy to risk points every time.

[owenshooter]

FF's abuse was not to benefit his own account.

how is it not a benefit to any of our accounts to play as many games as we like without risking any points? i would say that is a HUGE benefit to an account. it isn't as egregious as say what Blitzaholic did, but it is an abuse. have you not seen all the higher ranked guys roll in here and say how much they would love to play a small amount of games per month without risking any point loss? i know that every time i have hit major i significantly change who i play, maps i play, etc... why? one loss while playing a "fun" game can just kill your score... what he did was an abuse and they should have done a full reset, not the BS reset to where they could track the abuse from. again, forum violations where less than 1% of CC'ers even visit, are treated more harshly than cheating and abuse that affect the scoreboard. you can't say his actions didn't affect the scoreboard, because they did... the black jesus has called cheating, cheating...-el Jesus negro

I'm not here to defend him or agree/disagree with the punishment that was applied.I removed him from the clan as a result. I simply meant the freefalling account didn't gain any points because of it. I completely understand the point you are making. I guess the question is, would he have played those games on his own account if not on the other one. I suspect not but I have no idea. The other point is I suppose. Did he become a better player for playing those games. That seems unlikely but if true then yes I suppose that could impact the scoreboard.

oh my god... 2 people just had a valid exchange on CC over an issue being debated and were able to speak their minds and agree on something... CLOSE THE FORUMS DOWN, WE HAVE REACHED THE PINNACLE!!! it is all downhill from there!!! the black jesus finds jetsetwilly to be an upstanding bloke... the black jesus has spoken...-el Jesus negro

[TheForgivenOne]

FF's abuse was not to benefit his own account.

how is it not a benefit to any of our accounts to play as many games as we like without risking any points? i would say that is a HUGE benefit to an account. it isn't as egregious as say what Blitzaholic did, but it is an abuse. have you not seen all the higher ranked guys roll in here and say how much they would love to play a small amount of games per month without risking any point loss? i know that every time i have hit major i significantly change who i play, maps i play, etc... why? one loss while playing a "fun" game can just kill your score... what he did was an abuse and they should have done a full reset, not the BS reset to where they could track the abuse from. again, forum violations where less than 1% of CC'ers even visit, are treated more harshly than cheating and abuse that affect the scoreboard. you can't say his actions didn't affect the scoreboard, because they did... the black jesus has called cheating, cheating...-el Jesus negro

The main reasoning we chose his score when it all started, was because if he was reset to 1000, or as you suggested (I think) 0, then we would be harming every other account that he beats as he makes his way up the scoreboard, winning more points then he should be, and losing less.

[Donelladan]

The main reasoning we chose his score when it all started, was because if he was reset to 1000, or as you suggested (I think) 0, then we would be harming every other account that he beats as he makes his way up the scoreboard, winning more points then he should be, and losing less.

Allow me to say this is a really really stupid reason, since there is no harm AT ALL in losing 30 to 50 points in one game facing him while he is making his way up the scoreboard.
Incredibly insane that there is people complaining when they lose point against someone skilled with a low rank.
What are 50 points to your ranking? Just nothing, that's crap, I lose and win per week way more than 50 points.

It's not like he will win 3000 points back against one person.







Otherwise, please stop thinking that "unranked games" are only a request coming from high ranked that want to keep their rank.
It is of course the reason why I am proposing it, but several lower rank have proposed it in the past if you look at the suggestions.

And also consider, it's not like I don't want to risk points because I love so much my colonel rank, and it's such an achievement in my life.
It's more like I want to be able to play really stupid games without losing hundreds of point for fun.

I don't mind risking my points against a bunch of lower rank in many tournaments.
But I do mind risking my points on a 1vs1 classic flat rate 2min speed against a cook. especially if I gonna play 50 times a day this 1vs1 classic speed 2 min flat rate.
Because let's face it, 1vs1 classic flat rate has nothing to do with strategy but everything to do with luck, I can beat anyone, and anyone can beat me playing classic 1vs1 flat rate.
But it's a game that fill pretty quikly when you want to play a speed, and that is played quite fast. On the other hand, a 6 player escalating classic speed required much more time to fill, and is at least 20 times longer to play.
So on one hand I can keep my rank which is mainly due to skills and has been gained playing against various opposant on various maps and setting by playing those 5 to 8 escalating speed. But I have no time to play them and most of the time there is no player to play them

So if I want to play some speed I have to play some stupid 1vs1 classic ( or doodle or luxembourg or whatever other map, 1vs1 is anyway mainly luck on 90% of the available maps ). And that way you screw your rank in 2 hours if all your opponent have a score which is less than 1800 while you are having a score closed to 2500 or more.
I know it I have been doing it for months.

And that's why I am asking unranked game.
And don't tell me playing 1vs1 classic speed unranked will destroy the scoreboard or will make me a bad farmer. There is nothing to do with it.


And if some people are concerned with that :

The main reasoning we chose his score when it all started, was because if he was reset to 1000, or as you suggested (I think) 0, then we would be harming every other account that he beats as he makes his way up the scoreboard, winning more points then he should be, and losing less.

Even if I think it's stupid, they should be concerned by the fact that if I play speed my rank will go down to 2000 in a week, while my average ranking is closer to brigadier. So I guess I would be harming people every day doing my way up the scoreboard with complex map, then going down with the classic 1vs1.