Newbie Mafia (Neighbours Themed) MAFIA WIN!

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:26 am

kwanton wrote:1. OK excusable.

2.But this is a game specifically created for newbs. Targeting newbs seems rather fishy.

3. No one said anything about a no lynch. But you were trying to get a lynch very early in the game. That is a scum tell.

2. well i looked at the list and i have played or am playing in a game with you dustn etc. but never even heard of ga7

3. not lynching is a no lynch. the only way to lynch is a bandwagon. wanting a lynch would be bad for me if i was mafia. mafia take out a townie each night and if we dont even attempt to get rid of a mafia they will tick us off 1 by 1

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:33 am

Ok then. Let me make myself more clear cuz we are just going around in circles.

2. This game is geared toward newbies. So I assume that we are supposed to give them a chance and let them actually do something before we go on a witch hunt. There really was no other reason for you to vote for ga7. This is a newbie mafia and it's specifically designed as a learning experience/proving grounds. You should not have voted for ga7 just based on the fact that he is a newbie. Any other game that would be understandable but not in this game.

3. Again no one said anything about a no lynch. I'm just saying we have more than enough time to come up with a good reason for lynching someone. You pushed for a lynch very early in day 1. There was no reason for that. There is a good chance that ga7 is town and if we lynch him quickly like you wanted to then we really have no leads for day 2. Trying to start a bandwagon was really a bad idea on your part. If we were closer to the deadline it would be understandable and maybe I would even vote for ga7 myself. But as of now we have more than enough time to come up with a better excuse for lynching someone.

Right now you seem very scummy to me. Anyone else want to weigh in on this?

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:53 am

kwanton wrote:Ok then. Let me make myself more clear cuz we are just going around in circles.

2. This game is geared toward newbies. So I assume that we are supposed to give them a chance and let them actually do something before we go on a witch hunt. There really was no other reason for you to vote for ga7. This is a newbie mafia and it's specifically designed as a learning experience/proving grounds. You should not have voted for ga7 just based on the fact that he is a newbie. Any other game that would be understandable but not in this game.

3. Again no one said anything about a no lynch. I'm just saying we have more than enough time to come up with a good reason for lynching someone. You pushed for a lynch very early in day 1. There was no reason for that. There is a good chance that ga7 is town and if we lynch him quickly like you wanted to then we really have no leads for day 2. Trying to start a bandwagon was really a bad idea on your part. If we were closer to the deadline it would be understandable and maybe I would even vote for ga7 myself. But as of now we have more than enough time to come up with a better excuse for lynching someone.

Right now you seem very scummy to me. Anyone else want to weigh in on this?

this is the reason i am in this game. i would never have thought about that.
the only reason i said bandwagon was because i thought he said 1 day left not 2

but i am telling you not to lynch me

dustn64 · Post by **dustn64** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:55 am

firth4eva wrote:
but i am telling you not to lynch me

Why? the mafia would loose?

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:55 am

dustn64 wrote:
firth4eva wrote:
but i am telling you not to lynch me
Why? the mafia would loose?

what?

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:06 pm

Well Firth, I'm currently also playing in the WWII Homefront game hosted by Balsiefen, along with some others playing here. You're welcome to check it out if you have doubts regarding my noobness

Maybe I'm the less experienced player here in terms of games played, but to use that as a reason to start a bandwagon (or try at least, since your vote was still on someone else anyway) in this particular game is pretty silly.
You said you thought there was little time left for a lynch. I can buy your "misread" reason, but even if we did have 24 hours this is a 7 players game, so how hard would it be to avoid a no lynch with only 4 votes required?
Scums would want an early lynch rather than no lynch in this setup I think, simply because they could bring forth a LyLo situation very quickly. Therefore Day 1 is more important in that aspect because the town can't afford a completely random lynch, contrary to bigger games.
With that in mind, the fact that you :
a) Wanted to start a bandwagon
b) Conveniently thought there was little time left
c) Targetted who you thought was an "easy lynch"
d) Defended yourself by wanting to avoid No lynch, while a quick lynch could be even worse, and not relevant because of b)
e) Also said that you didn't really start a bandwagon because you didn't unvote...
Makes you look pretty scummy to me.

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:08 pm

firth4eva wrote:
dustn64 wrote:
firth4eva wrote:
but i am telling you not to lynch me
Why? the mafia would loose?
what?

He's trying to say that you are mafia and the only reason you don't want to be lynched is that you are a member of the mafia and the mafia would lose if you were lynched.

That is a ballsy statement dustn. Even though firth has acted scummy, I am not 100% sure that he is scum. He is the best lead we have right now though so my vote stays. But dustn I'll also be keeping my eye on you.

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:10 pm

ga7 wrote:Well Firth, I'm currently also playing in the WWII Homefront game hosted by Balsiefen, along with some others playing here. You're welcome to check it out if you have doubts regarding my noobness
Maybe I'm the less experienced player here in terms of games played, but to use that as a reason to start a bandwagon (or try at least, since your vote was still on someone else anyway) in this particular game is pretty silly.
You said you thought there was little time left for a lynch. I can buy your "misread" reason, but even if we did have 24 hours this is a 7 players game, so how hard would it be to avoid a no lynch with only 4 votes required?
Scums would want an early lynch rather than no lynch in this setup I think, simply because they could bring forth a LyLo situation very quickly. Therefore Day 1 is more important in that aspect because the town can't afford a completely random lynch, contrary to bigger games.
With that in mind, the fact that you :
a) Wanted to start a bandwagon
b) Conveniently thought there was little time left
c) Targetted who you thought was an "easy lynch"
d) Defended yourself by wanting to avoid No lynch, while a quick lynch could be even worse, and not relevant because of b)
e) Also said that you didn't really start a bandwagon because you didn't unvote...
Makes you look pretty scummy to me.

a, b, d - its because i had misread it. honestly.
e - never said that

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:12 pm

firth4eva wrote:
dustn64 wrote:
firth4eva wrote:we need a lynch so lets start a bandwagon

its best to lynch the n00bs so...

vote ga7
Vote Firth for bandwagoning someone with out any votes
then it is not bandwagoning

Wasn't e) the meaning of this?

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:13 pm

all who have voted for me i am telling you to unvote

if it comes down to a roleclaim (worse for the town) i will be forced to reveal my role and as i dont watch neighbours i cant make it up

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:13 pm

On another note, can we get a mod prod on steel panzer?

Okeydokey then well now I have 3 suspected people:

firth is the scummiest by far for reasons stated above.

dustn seemed to say without a doubt that firth is scum. Not really serious just weird for day one. Even I don't think firth is 100% mafia.

Steel for not posting yet.

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:13 pm

Ah no sorry, I misunderstood that. I retract e)

For the rest well I don't know if I can simply take your word for it or not...

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:16 pm

firth4eva wrote:all who have voted for me i am telling you to unvote

if it comes down to a roleclaim (worse for the town) i will be forced to reveal my role and as i dont watch neighbours i cant make it up

Not to metagame, but I don't trust roleclaims anymore. In the batman mafia, everytime we accused someone they roleclaimed to get everyone off of them and the third time it turned out to be a lie. So even if you roleclaim, I will still have my suspicions. And you say that you can't make it up? How easy is it to wikipedia something nowadays.....

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:18 pm

kwanton wrote:
firth4eva wrote:all who have voted for me i am telling you to unvote

if it comes down to a roleclaim (worse for the town) i will be forced to reveal my role and as i dont watch neighbours i cant make it up
Not to metagame, but I don't trust roleclaims anymore. In the batman mafia, everytime we accused someone they roleclaimed to get everyone off of them and the third time it turned out to be a lie. So even if you roleclaim, I will still have my suspicions. And you say that you can't make it up? How easy is it to wikipedia something nowadays.....

ok so ill just go on wikipedia and find out which neighbours characters are suited for which mafia positions?

i will say this one last time to all who have voted for me
Unvote Now

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:25 pm

Well I've made my points and you've made yours. It's up to the rest of the town now. Even if you roleclaim you could be lying. But there is no denying the scummish behavior you have shown.

dustn64 · Post by **dustn64** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:28 pm

firth4eva wrote:
kwanton wrote:
firth4eva wrote:all who have voted for me i am telling you to unvote

if it comes down to a roleclaim (worse for the town) i will be forced to reveal my role and as i dont watch neighbours i cant make it up
Not to metagame, but I don't trust roleclaims anymore. In the batman mafia, everytime we accused someone they roleclaimed to get everyone off of them and the third time it turned out to be a lie. So even if you roleclaim, I will still have my suspicions. And you say that you can't make it up? How easy is it to wikipedia something nowadays.....
ok so ill just go on wikipedia and find out which neighbours characters are suited for which mafia positions?

i will say this one last time to all who have voted for me
Unvote Now

you kind of have me thinking

BTW I don't even know what the show is about

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:29 pm

Random australian soap opera. Don't know much else about it either. And out of curiosity, what's he got you thinking about dustn?

dustn64 · Post by **dustn64** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:30 pm

well... If he is so focused on keeping himself here he might be a power role.

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:31 pm

Meh. Anyone would be focused on keeping themselves in the game. I mean no one wants to die right? Doesn't really prove anything. Like I said, he can lie about his role but he can't take back all the scummy things he did.

dustn64 · Post by **dustn64** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:34 pm

true about staying in the game, but you might be playing me.

FOS kwant

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:39 pm

That's another thing you can say about anyone. Firth could be playing us by saying not to lynch him and suggesting he's important. You could be playing us by by fos'ing me and voting firth drawing attention away from yourself. Steel could be playing us by not posting so we ignore him. I could be playing you by spearheading the anti-firth movement. ga could be playing us by being so agreeable so we overlook him. Derf....ok well derf is just weird.

I miss anyone?

Like I said "playing" someone is just a general statement that could fit any situation. Back to the main topic though. I'm waiting for others(derf and steel) to weigh in on firth's scum tells.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:44 pm

Steel Panzer has been prodded..

dustn64 · Post by **dustn64** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:01 pm

kwanton wrote:That's another thing you can say about anyone. Firth could be playing us by saying not to lynch him and suggesting he's important. You could be playing us by by fos'ing me and voting firth drawing attention away from yourself. Steel could be playing us by not posting so we ignore him. I could be playing you by spearheading the anti-firth movement. ga could be playing us by being so agreeable so we overlook him. Derf....ok well derf is just weird.

I miss anyone?

Like I said "playing" someone is just a general statement that could fit any situation. Back to the main topic though. I'm waiting for others(derf and steel) to weigh in on firth's scum tells.

True, FOS everyone

derfderf34 · Post by **derfderf34** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:43 pm

unvote vote firth
if you dont want anyone to drop the hammer just unvote

ok lets see if we got scum

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:49 pm

you are supposed to ask for roleclaim first n00b.

well its 2 townies down now

Toadfish Rebecchi (Townie)