The1exile's 7 player Mafia (Mafia win!)

Talapus · Post by **Talapus** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:08 pm

Alright, first off if there are more then two scum in this game, then exile needs to have his head examined because that would be crazy.

Also, I'm not quite sure why Aimless is convinced pancake is scum and has a scum buddy. I mean, I understand the arguement, but it seems like a pretty big leap.

As for right now, I'm going to FOS Serbia for not being around much. I know yesterday was a holiday and all, but this day is drawing towards an end as well and still no word.

Besides that, I've got nothing...

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:25 pm

wicked wrote: Didn't even realize Serbia was in the game!

You have no idea how disapointed I am by this.

wicked wrote:But it could be b/c I'm not familiar with his avatar, as that's how I look for posts.

I hope that's all!

I was busy all day yesterday, party, volleyball, fireworks, party, no sleep until 2, up today at 6:30, worked until after 9 pm... so here I am. Those are my lame excuses for my absence.

And I still am most suspicious of pancake. Talapus and Aimless have both answered, pancake hasn't. So... vote stays for now.

pancakemix · Post by **pancakemix** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:30 pm

pancakemix wrote:
Aimless wrote:
wicked wrote:
Aimless wrote: Still, IGMEOY.
I got it! I got it!
Give that back! It's mine, I tell you, mine! I need it to see with!

In another, completely unrelated note, it seems that we haven't heard much from cakeboy or Serbia. Submarining?
I haven't found much to say is all. Would you like my input on something? I'd be happy to give it.

First, I think it's too early to accuse someone of submarining. It's only been a day, and some people don't get on until late in the day, and on top of that, yesterday was a holiday.

You explained your reason for voting, and that makes sense, but I don't see a reason to unvote right now.

I only just realized why you thought I was scummy early on. I hadn't noticed wicked's vote for Aimless. One thing I don't understand is why you think if Tal is scum that I must be too.

Don't tell me you missed this. The first post of the page.

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:02 pm

No, I didn't miss it. Just not much there, where as they've been going at it. But... I'm suspicious of Aimless and Talapus, don't know which I really think is more scummy right now, but besides, they both have a vote, and I don't feel right about putting a second vote on either quite yet.

pancakemix · Post by **pancakemix** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:07 pm

Serbia wrote:No, I didn't miss it. Just not much there, where as they've been going at it. But... I'm suspicious of Aimless and Talapus, don't know which I really think is more scummy right now, but besides, they both have a vote, and I don't feel right about putting a second vote on either quite yet.

The way you said it made it seem like you denied that the post was even there, that I hadn't answered. I've got no questions posed to me, except who my scum partner is

. How can I answer a question when there are no questions that one would even think logically to answer?

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:08 pm

You're right, I didn't mean to imply you hadn't been here at all. (it's what I get for posting when I should be sleeping, but oh well)

MountainLion · Post by **MountainLion** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:43 pm

I don't get it. Why is "lack of sleep" such a popular excuse for making mistakes in mafia games? I swear it happens in every game I've played.

Incandenza · Post by **Incandenza** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:45 am

The1exile wrote:I need 7 players for my first attempt at hosting a Mafia Game. I've played dozens so I'll try to have a diverse spread of roles to keep the game interesting. I reserve the right to not let some players in if I don't like you , have played with you and you suck, etc.

Just an amusing and potentially informative post from the sign-up thread. Nothing to see here. Move along now.

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:14 am

MountainLion wrote:I don't get it. Why is "lack of sleep" such a popular excuse for making mistakes in mafia games? I swear it happens in every game I've played.

"Lack of sleep" is my excuse for everything. Being hungry, not taking out the trash, playing my bass, screwing up in mafia, sitting at my computer until 12:30 when I have to be up at 6:00... doesn't matter.

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:57 pm

Vote Count

Aimless (1): Pancakemix
Talapus (1) : wicked
Pancakemix (1): Serbia
Not Voting (4): MountainLion, Aimless, Talapus, Incandenza

Deadline has been extended to 18:00 GMT on the 7th. Get moving!

(this is because I meant to post the reminder this morning but I was rushed out the door and didn't get back until 11pm).

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:16 pm

Come on peoples! You ALL submarining? Scummy people here...

MountainLion · Post by **MountainLion** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:04 am

Serbia I don't understand your suspicion of Pancake...could you explain?

Aimless · Post by **Aimless** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:09 am

Well crunch time, I guess. In a 7 player game, a day 1 lynch is beneficial to the town even if we lynch a townie, because we wind up in LYLO on day two regardless, and having 5 players is actually better odds for the town than having 6.

That said, I'm suspicious of Talapus and pancake; I'm neutral towards Serbia and Incandenza, and I get the feeling both ML and wicked are town.

Between the two, I'm slightly more suspicious of pancake than I am of Talapus, mainly because I don't really buy pancake's defense regarding the submarining accusation.

pancakemix wrote:I haven't found much to say is all.

I haven't found much to say either, but I've said it anyway, so this isn't an excuse.

Thus, Vote: pancakemix.

Aimless · Post by **Aimless** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:11 am

Note : I'm going to try to be online early enough tomorrow to post before the deadline. At that time, I will change my vote to whomever has the highest vote total, just to ensure a lynch (based on the reasoning I posted above that lynching a townie is better than a no lynch).

Incandenza · Post by **Incandenza** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:20 am

Aimless wrote:Well crunch time, I guess. In a 7 player game, a day 1 lynch is beneficial to the town even if we lynch a townie, because we wind up in LYLO on day two regardless, and having 5 players is actually better odds for the town than having 6.

That's interesting, because I've been weighing the concept of a no lynch... the problem is that if we don't lynch mafia today, we're probably fucked.

So I have a question for you, Aim: can you tell us why you're not scum? 'cause your vote for pancake could be interpreted as ye olde omgus, as he voted for you.

MountainLion · Post by **MountainLion** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:42 am

Incandenza wrote:
Aimless wrote:Well crunch time, I guess. In a 7 player game, a day 1 lynch is beneficial to the town even if we lynch a townie, because we wind up in LYLO on day two regardless, and having 5 players is actually better odds for the town than having 6.
That's interesting, because I've been weighing the concept of a no lynch... the problem is that if we don't lynch mafia today, we're probably fucked.

I was thinking the same thing. If we lynch town and mafia get a kill, we're down to 5 players with two (most likely) of them being mafia and we're at LYLO. The odds are higher that we lynch mafia on day 2, however mafia still have two votes and can speed lynch someone.

Day 1 has been uneventful. I would have liked to have more time on a day 1 for a game with only 7 players, but exile is the law.

If we don't lynch, we are down to 6 players with a mafia kill (confirming someone as town which is similar to lynching a townie) and more time to try to get a scumtell on someone. Then we have an extra day before we reach LYLO. Does this sound right?

On a seperate note, does anyone else find this post by wicked suspicious?

wicked wrote:
Aimless wrote:
pancakemix wrote:Would you like my input on something? I'd be happy to give it.
Yes. I'd appreciate it if you told me who your scum buddy was.

If the scum were smart, since this is such a small game, they wouldn't kill anyone tonight, so the pool of suspects would be larger for us tomorrow and scum could just sit back while we lynch each other. I'd agree there's only 1, maybe 2 total in the game.

Aimless · Post by **Aimless** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:52 am

Incandenza wrote:
Aimless wrote:Well crunch time, I guess. In a 7 player game, a day 1 lynch is beneficial to the town even if we lynch a townie, because we wind up in LYLO on day two regardless, and having 5 players is actually better odds for the town than having 6.
That's interesting, because I've been weighing the concept of a no lynch... the problem is that if we don't lynch mafia today, we're probably fucked.

Assuming we have two scum (that seems to be the standard for a 7 player game, and we obviously don't have more than that), the town only gets to make one mistake.

The problem with a no lynch in this situation is that, even if we no lynch (assuming the scum make a kill), we're still in LYLO tomorrow, so we're no better off that if we make an incorrect lynch. Actually, we're worse off, since we won't have as much information, and since LYLO with 6 players is worse odds for the town than LYLO with 5. So, just about the worst thing the town can possibly do today is to no lynch.

So I have a question for you, Aim: can you tell us why you're not scum? 'cause your vote for pancake could be interpreted as ye olde omgus, as he voted for you.

Ah, the old question.

It's kind of tricky to metagame myself here, but I'm usually less aggressive than this in the games that I'm scum; I always try to make a lot of noise when I'm town, because I use the responses as a way to try to find scum. See Film Noir (scum) versus ManHunt (town) for comparative examples. Tombstone might also be a good one; I was godfather in that.

I can't give any better answer than that.

Aimless · Post by **Aimless** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:56 am

MountainLion wrote:Day 1 has been uneventful. I would have liked to have more time on a day 1 for a game with only 7 players, but exile is the law. If we don't lynch, we are down to 6 players with a mafia kill (confirming someone as town which is similar to lynching a townie) and more time to try to get a scumtell on someone. Then we have an extra day before we reach LYLO. Does this sound right?

No. 6 with two scum is still LYLO. A mislynch and a night kill leaves 4 alive, 2 scum, scum win.

The only difference between 6 and 5 is that with 6 a single false vote is not an automatic loss, so there is a little room for error when voting. However, my opinion is that the loss of information from not getting a lynch on day one strongly outweighs that niggling benefit.

The only possible way to take advantage of a 6 player day 2 is to have a second no lynch to give the cop slightly more time for investigations; that assumes the cop survives, and otherwise leaves us on day three in 5 player LYLO with no information whatsoever.

pancakemix · Post by **pancakemix** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:49 am

I'm still not entirely sure why I'm scummy. Yes, I did give Aimless a second vote, but that's because I completely missed wicked's vote, probably because that night I hadn't slept. And when I do say something, you guys just use it to try and convict me more.

Now, I have no clue why you would even think voting a person right after they voted them would make them my scum partner, especially in a game this small. You might be taking that theory a little too far.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:55 am

sorry guys, tired, just got in, will weigh in on everything tomorrow before deadline and will vote for whomever has talked/contributed the least so far.

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:24 am

Vote Count

Aimless (1): Pancakemix
Talapus (1) : wicked
Pancakemix (2): Serbia, Aimless
Not Voting (4): MountainLion, Talapus, Incandenza

Deadline is 18:00 GMT on the 7th. You have 6 and a half hours.

pancakemix · Post by **pancakemix** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:57 am

Alright, I probably won't be back for the deadline, and it looks like I might be lynched, so I'll claim now.

I'm the cop.

MountainLion · Post by **MountainLion** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:03 am

Incandenza wrote:
The1exile wrote:I need 7 players for my first attempt at hosting a Mafia Game. I've played dozens so I'll try to have a diverse spread of roles to keep the game interesting. I reserve the right to not let some players in if I don't like you , have played with you and you suck, etc.
Just an amusing and potentially informative post from the sign-up thread. Nothing to see here. Move along now.

I was wondering if there would even be a cop in a 7 player game, but according to this (thanks Incandenza) I'm willing to believe you pancake, unless someone counter-claims.

Aimless, I now understand our LYLO options. I was suspicious of you, but I like to be aggressive in certain situations as well.

We only have 2 hours left.

Vote Serbia because you voted pancake, and I feel you didn't really explain your vote on him very well....or at least I didn't understand it. I asked you earlier, but have yet to hear your response.

I should be online from now until the deadline.

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:12 am

Less than an hour 'til the deadline (though I may well not be here directly at that time).

Aimless · Post by **Aimless** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:29 am

Unvote

Vote: Serbia

Looks like we're going to get a no lynch. FOS anyone who didn't vote.