The Permaban Penalty

[wicked]

Racism isn't tolerated in ANY neck of the CC woods. Period.

[hecter]

What I want to know is this:
Why is it that people who nobody (or few) like and would rather they be permanently banned from the CC forums are allowed to roam free (wrestler1ump, for example) whilst members that were loved by many are band (Norse and RK)? Is it not the job of the moderators to keep the community happy?

I think you mean banned and not band, but the removal of RK from this site was the best decision that Lack has ever made.

Band is the same as saying permabanned.

and heres another 13,000 +

Stop looking at our posts counts and go back to admiring your points, please. You're contributing nothing to this conversation and doing nothing more than making yourself look like a pompous and arrogant ass.

[ParadiceCity9]

what if i said i hate white people, but i'm white? would that be racist?

[hecter]

what if i said i hate white people, but i'm white? would that be racist?

Yes.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

What I want to know is this:
Why is it that people who nobody (or few) like and would rather they be permanently banned from the CC forums are allowed to roam free (wrestler1ump, for example) whilst members that were loved by many are band (Norse and RK)? Is it not the job of the moderators to keep the community happy?

I think you mean banned and not band, but the removal of RK from this site was the best decision that Lack has ever made.

Band is the same as saying permabanned.

and heres another 13,000 +

Stop looking at our posts counts and go back to admiring your points, please. You're contributing nothing to this conversation and doing nothing more than making yourself look like a pompous and arrogant ass.

I will. I payed to play, not run up a post count.

[ParadiceCity9]

what if i said i hate white people, but i'm white? would that be racist?

Yes.

Damn.

[jnd94]

what if i said i hate white people, but i'm white? would that be racist?

You can't say rascits comment and justify it by that. I'm Jewish, but if I said a very anti-semetic thing, and my reasoning was that "well, Im jewish", that doesnt make it right.

Norse was a good guy, much better than some scum around here that get away with everything. *cough* wrestler *cough*

[wicked]

I've been asked this a few time Paradice, and the answer is putting down an entire race is still not acceptable, even if you're a member of said race. Reason being the majority of the people here don't know your race, so if they see you getting away with racist comments, then they'll think they can too. So that's why we draw the line at no racism period. Then we don't get people claiming to be african-american just so they can put down blacks (yes, it's happened).

[wacicha]

Alrighty we are getting slighty off topic. This is about Norse

He has been Permabanned the poll is should it be changed or not.

EDIT WRONG IT IS ABOUT MODERATION SHOULD IT BE CHANGED OR NOT

[got tonkaed]

no he shouldnt be banned for forever unless you were going to ban a number of other people who have said similar racist things, or at least implied them...

and it should continue to go off topic so the argument can at least be held in one or two of the most relavant forums for it (im a stickler about this i guess)

[ParadiceCity9]

I've been asked this a few time Paradice, and the answer is putting down an entire race is still not acceptable, even if you're a member of said race. Reason being the majority of the people here don't know your race, so if they see you getting away with racist comments, then they'll think they can too. So that's why we draw the line at no racism period. Then we don't get people claiming to be african-american just so they can put down blacks (yes, it's happened).

What if i was quoting a comedian? Like Dane Cook? Cmon everybody loves dane...

[Napoleon Ier]

I was born on an indian reservation, mom was indian(American) I looked white. I heard her told quite a few times to get out of the way prairrie N----r let the white boy go first.

So I will not tolerate ANY racism in this neck of the woods

Not many people like racism, sure. Hell, I'm not of pure Aryan stock, I'm a continental wog.
But if you remove free speech, however little you like the views it is used to express, you become far worse than any racist or bigot. In my humble opinion...

It's the internet. You'll never guarantee everyone living happily together in a utopic state of blissful co-operation. People make disparaging remarks about americans, brits, yes, even the french. Do we feel threatned? No. We grin and bear it. Actually, if anything, people with controversial opinions are the ones who start to feel threatned. Am I next for believing homoseuxlity is a sin? Well, I'm genuinely afraid.

I'll leave you with a quote from a great man :

"If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."
- John Stuart Mill

[rebelman]

Alrighty we are getting slighty off topic. This is about Norse

He has been Permabanned the poll is should it be changed or not.

EDIT WRONG IT IS ABOUT MODERATION SHOULD IT BE CHANGED OR NOT

actually the poll is a more general one as is the first post i'm sure there may be some who have issues with the disciplinary structure who at the same toime believe what was done in the norse case was both correct and proper - if this is meant to be a discussion on norse specifically then the firstpost and poll should be changed.

[wicked]

GT, there are topics about norse in the off-topics already. This discussion is about the forum & moderation policies and the reasons he was permaband. Attempting to derail this on purpose will result in a nasty note fron twill - he hates when people do that.

[wacicha]

Except one of the rules here is NO racism. From your comments I ammpretty sure you can get your point across w/ out resorting to that.

DANG this is the most I have posted in a week

[Napoleon Ier]

Alrighty we are getting slighty off topic. This is about Norse

He has been Permabanned the poll is should it be changed or not.

EDIT WRONG IT IS ABOUT MODERATION SHOULD IT BE CHANGED OR NOT

actually the poll is a more general one as is the first post i'm sure there may be some who have issues with the disciplinary structure who at the same toime believe what was done in the norse case was both correct and proper - if this is meant to be a discussion on norse specifically then the firstpost and poll should be changed.

The poll was meant to be a broader,more encompassing statement of affairs, but Norse is of actuality and useful as a case study....

And I cannot hide my primary aim, to be completely honest, is to gain his re-instatement through honest debate.

[richardgarr]

whats wrong with people who like racing?? Rasist - person who is very enthusiastic about racing
Does that mean no discussion about the Indi 500? or the local smash derbies??
Perhaps it is the tour de france that is the issue here..hmm

Racing is a common enough sport, why ban the discussion of races.??

[Napoleon Ier]

Except one of the rules here is NO racism. From your comments I ammpretty sure you can get your point across w/ out resorting to that.

DANG this is the most I have posted in a week

Yes...but the penalty given to Norse wasn't appropriate to that offense.

Also, he wasn't actually insulting anyone, making a mor general anthropological statement half-seriously. I think the rule is there to prevent really nasty, crass insults, not people like Norse.

Finally, I refer you to my sig. it shouldn't be a rule.

[wicked]

Nap, why do you think a person who was temp-banned repeatedly for breaking the guidelines should not be permaband from the forums?

[wicked]

Yes...but the penalty given to Norse wasn't appropriate to that offense.

So what would have been appropriate for the first offense? second? third? 4th? 5th?

Also, he wasn't actually insulting anyone

You can only speak for one person though when you say that. You can say you weren't offended. You can't speak for me, or that person over there, or anyone else here, since you don't know if we were offended or not. It's not how norse's comments were intended, it's how they were received. This holds especially true on the internet, where inflection and meaning are difficult to comprehend.

[Napoleon Ier]

Nap, why do you think a person who was temp-banned repeatedly for breaking the guidelines should not be permaband from the forums?

Well, for a start, I believe that each crime ought to have a penalty.

If, say you get gven a ticket for parking badly, then do it again, you get a second ticket, not another three, or even prison time.

You can't exponentially grow the penalty allocated until we have a tending toward infinity.

Secondly, I think Norse didn't violated the guidelines, which, furthermore though placed there with good intent, are inherently wrong and restricitve of free speech, a right protected by the 1st amendment of your very own and very great Constitution.

[edwinissweet]

wicked no double posting

[Napoleon Ier]

"Before quitting the subject of freedom of expression, it is fit to take some notice of those who say, that the free expression of all opinions should be permitted, on condition that the manner be temperate, and do not pass the bounds of fair discussion. Much might be said on the impossibility of fixing where these supposed bounds are to be placed; for if the test be offence to those whose opinion is attacked, I think experience testifies that this offence is given whenever the attack is telling and powerful, and that every opponent who pushes them hard, and whom they find it difficult to answer, appears to them, if he shows any strong feeling on the subject, an intemperate opponent."

- John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty"

[Napoleon Ier]

Also, he wasn't actually insulting anyone

You can only speak for one person though when you say that. You can say you weren't offended. You can't speak for me, or that person over there, or anyone else here, since you don't know if we were offended or not. It's not how norse's comments were intended, it's how they were received. This holds especially true on the internet, where inflection and meaning are difficult to comprehend.[/quote]

Fair enough, but you know, I'm regularly offended here. That isn't your fault. I'm sure I offend others. Just Norse oicked the wrong subject to be "potentially offensive" on...nd it got him permabanned.

[hecter]

I think that Norse's banding case, much like those of the past, has less to do with the offence and more to do with the repetition of it all. He was band was almost punishment for being banned time after time again before that. Kids don't get sent to the office for not doing their homework once, they just get told to do it. Kids who never do their homework despite what the teachers say, however, get sent to the office. On a similar note, nobody gets expelled for not doing their homework.