In this thread we compare English accents and dialects

[muy_thaiguy]

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[glide]

Meggy: another group of accents you'd probably find interesting is the Canadian Maritime ones: I live on the west coast, but still have a bit of a Nova Scotian accent, which is very different from a Cape Breton accent, a New Brunswick or Prince Edward Island accent, and of course they are all far different than the world famous Newfoundland accent. I sat in a pub in Portsmouth England once, with a Newfie, a Cape Bretoner, an Irishman, and an American....we kept each other in tears laffing the whole night by getting the locals to immitate us in turn.....hilarious.

[Neoteny]

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It's ok, muy, you know I'm just fucking with you. I use the brand name, or the generic "soda." I'll even throw a "pop" at the end of it sometimes...

[muy_thaiguy]

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It's ok, muy, you know I'm just fucking with you. I use the brand name, or the generic "soda." I'll even throw a "pop" at the end of it sometimes...

But STILL!

Anyways, you won't catch any flack from calling it soda, but most people just call it pop.

Also, a very distinct way of talking out here is, that people out here will often say things like "good," or "don't" and other words that end with "d" or "t," and yet, will rarely, if ever, pronounce that last syllable. It doesn't change how we say the rest of the word, just that one bit. Even on the word "ain't" we will only say "ain." You can easily understand what we're saying, but you'll probably notice it. But let's just say that Southern and New England accents stick out like an elephant in a herd of cattle.

[Jenos Ridan]

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It's ok, muy, you know I'm just fucking with you. I use the brand name, or the generic "soda." I'll even throw a "pop" at the end of it sometimes...

If it isn't Coke, its just soda. I don't say pop.

Oh MTG, you mean phrases like "dunno" and "cuz"? That happens out here too.

[muy_thaiguy]

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

It's ok, muy, you know I'm just fucking with you. I use the brand name, or the generic "soda." I'll even throw a "pop" at the end of it sometimes...

If it isn't Coke, its just soda. I don't say pop.

Oh MTG, you mean phrases like "dunno" and "cuz"? That happens out here too.

Not quite (though they are used out here). What I mean is, the "t's" and "d's" that are on the end of every day words (like the word "word" itself, and so many more) tend to be dropped almost 100% of the time. For example, if I were to say the above, it would sound like: No' qui'. Wha I mean is, the "t's" an "d's" tha re on the en' of every day words, ten to be dropp almos 100 % of the time.

The words are pronounced the exact same way, except for the ending "t's" and "d's." Understand?

[PLAYER57832]

I am from CA, and never considered there to be an accent. Then out came the song "Valley Girl" ... and I started hearing people talk of an "LA" accent, other accents. The CA "accent is pretty well recognized because of TV. I have relatives in western Canada and never considered them to have accents, either

Then I moved away .. and, after a time, DID start to notice that my visiting brother spoke a bit differently, in subtle ways than those around me. Up north, I heard plenty of jokes about the Canadien 'eh" ... etc. Here in western PA, there are some distinct ways of speaking that are not necessarily accent, but are enough that folks can pretty well tell if someone is "from" here or not. Even the teachers in my son's school say "them things" and say "yoos".

I have relatives from Maine and can always tell a "downeaster". I hear the "car talk" guys on the radio and recognize their accent. Folks in Northern Michigan speak differently from those in Detroit. Those in Chicago don't speak quite like those in Buffalo. In New York, you have Bronx, Queens, etc. On the other hand, you have several "culturally specific" accents. Blacks from The San Francisco Bay Area tend to speak just a bit differently from many whites -- though that depends on whether they were raised within the overwhelmingly "black" areas or not. (language, unlike color IS learned) This is, of course, because prejudice so long separated the groups. And, as prejudice is diminishing more and more, the subtle speech differences are beginning to either disappear or become more widespread (depending on many factors).

The west coast has fewer and more subtle accents because the largest portions of the population are fairly "recent immigrants (within 100 years). Also, westerners tend to travel a lot more, longer distances than folks in the east. It is rare to find a Californien without relatives in both southern and northern California, for example. Yet, in my small PA town, there are many entire families who have never been more than 100 miles from their birthplace.

[Jenos Ridan]

Oh MTG, you mean phrases like "dunno" and "cuz"? That happens out here too.

Not quite (though they are used out here). What I mean is, the "t's" and "d's" that are on the end of every day words (like the word "word" itself, and so many more) tend to be dropped almost 100% of the time. or example, if I were to say the above, it would sound like: No' qui'. Wha I mean is, the "t's" an "d's" tha re on the en' of every day words, ten to be dropp almos 100 % of the time.

The words are pronounced the exact same way, except for the ending "t's" and "d's." Understand?

Barely. I just tried to speak outload the example underlined.

[muy_thaiguy]

Eh, jus' one of those things tha varies region to region for the mos par.

[Jenos Ridan]

I guess.

One of these days, I'll figure out what a "Pacific Northwestern" is supposed to sound like. I have heard things like "Suppose" and "Suppost" in place of "Supposed", "Dunno" in place of "Don't Know" and so on. But for every such event, there is a counterpoint.

And from experience, having been as far south as San Jose and as far north as Victoria, people along the west coast have no accents that are unique to any one area (a Portlander sounds no different than a person from Seattle, who talks the same as a guy from San Francisco, etc). Perhaps we all share a number of comman ones? Meaning, there might be a "Urban" and "Rural" accent. Still, not alot of difference there either.....

[btownmeggy]

I guess.

One of these days, I'll figure out what a "Pacific Northwestern" is supposed to sound like. I have heard things like "Suppose" and "Suppost" in place of "Supposed", "Dunno" in place of "Don't Know" and so on. But for every such event, there is a counterpoint.

And from experience, having been as far south as San Jose and as far north as Victoria, people along the west coast have no accents that are unique to any one area (a Portlander sounds no different than a person from Seattle, who talks the same as a guy from San Francisco, etc). Perhaps we all share a number of comman ones? Meaning, there might be a "Urban" and "Rural" accent. Still, not alot of difference there either.....

There's CERTAINLY a difference between urban and rural Northwesterners. Rural Northwesterners sound kind of Midwestern, which makes sense when you consider Scandinavian migration patterns. Urban Northwesterners are simply part of late 20th century U.S. American migration patterns and so tend to speak something very similar to what's spoken in most U.S. cities.

[muy_thaiguy]

Scandinavian? Don't know if that would be the only one (of course I may be misunderstanding what you wrote in that part almost entirely), I'd also factor in Irish and German ancestry, being as how most of the people (or at least it seems like most) are mostly of that heritage.

[btownmeggy]

Scandinavian? Don't know if that would be the only one (of course I may be misunderstanding what you wrote in that part almost entirely), I'd also factor in Irish and German ancestry, being as how most of the people (or at least it seems like most) are mostly of that heritage.

Yes, most Americans in general are of German and Irish ancestry. However, the Midwest and the Northwest had disproportionately high numbers of Scandinavians migrate there in the 19th century, and those migrants are thought to have given distinctive contributions to the accents and dialects in those areas.

[PLAYER57832]

I guess.

One of these days, I'll figure out what a "Pacific Northwestern" is supposed to sound like. I have heard things like "Suppose" and "Suppost" in place of "Supposed", "Dunno" in place of "Don't Know" and so on. But for every such event, there is a counterpoint.

And from experience, having been as far south as San Jose and as far north as Victoria, people along the west coast have no accents that are unique to any one area (a Portlander sounds no different than a person from Seattle, who talks the same as a guy from San Francisco, etc). Perhaps we all share a number of comman ones? Meaning, there might be a "Urban" and "Rural" accent. Still, not alot of difference there either.....

There's CERTAINLY a difference between urban and rural Northwesterners. Rural Northwesterners sound kind of Midwestern, which makes sense when you consider Scandinavian migration patterns. Urban Northwesterners are simply part of late 20th century U.S. American migration patterns and so tend to speak something very similar to what's spoken in most U.S. cities.

I was born in CA, migrated all over and never recognized a west coast accent until I moved away. West Coast is more homogenous because the overwelming largest part of the population came within the past 100 years -- shoot might as well say within the past 50 years, maybe even 20! AND yes, it is my experience that west coasters travel a LOT more, on average, than easterners. However, if you listen very closely to someone born near Santa Barbara or south, someone from San Francisco and someone from coastal Washington (maybe not so much urbin Seattle), you will notice subtle differences.

[Jenos Ridan]

Scandinavian? Don't know if that would be the only one (of course I may be misunderstanding what you wrote in that part almost entirely), I'd also factor in Irish and German ancestry, being as how most of the people (or at least it seems like most) are mostly of that heritage.

Yes, most Americans in general are of German and Irish ancestry. However, the Midwest and the Northwest had disproportionately high numbers of Scandinavians migrate there in the 19th century, and those migrants are thought to have given distinctive contributions to the accents and dialects in those areas.

Makes since. Also, alot of the immigration here has really been emmigration (migration inside national borders, for those who need the explaination), so both explain the homogenous dialect/accent. As it is, I guess I'll have to visit the eastern states sometime. The only question is, are Finns really Scandinavian? From what I've been told, no. I ask because locally there is a landmark to commemerate a local gathering hall for the Finns who lived in the area a long time back. I even know an old friend of the family who is from Finland.

[PLAYER57832]

The only question is, are Finns really Scandinavian? From what I've been told, no. I ask because locally there is a landmark to commemerate a local gathering hall for the Finns who lived in the area a long time back. I even know an old friend of the family who is from Finland.

Depends on to whom you talk ...

The Finish language is supposed to be closer to Russian than to Swedish, Danish or Norwegian. Culturally ... they share a lot with all their neighbors on all sides. Politically, they are often lumped with Scandinavia.

Some of the Finns I have met (from Finland, not Americans with Finnish ancestry) say they are NOT Scandinavien, some say they are....

In any case, it is the Danes who make the best beer in the region! ( I abstain from the worldwide vote, having only samples a tiny portion thereof)

[bryguy]

i like to randomly pop into places

oh well, dont know what u guys are talking about, but...


did u know like in the 1800s or something it was not allowed to speak english in some states? u had to speak american

[btownmeggy]

emmigration (migration inside national borders, for those who need the explaination)

I am now 100% convinced that you are 100% flame, flame, flame.

You are a schtick.

You cannot possibly exist.

[Neoteny]

Heh. Good times...

[b.k. barunt]

emmigration (migration inside national borders, for those who need the explaination)

I am now 100% convinced that you are 100% flame, flame, flame.

You are a schtick.

You cannot possibly exist.

(a) You say flame like it's a bad thing?
(b)Whatthefuck is a schtick?
(c)Cannot possibly handle annotating the philosophical contradictions here on half a bottle of Cuervo. Sorry.


FREE NORSE!!
f*ck you twildo

[Jenos Ridan]

emmigration (migration inside national borders, for those who need the explaination)

I am now 100% convinced that you are 100% flame, flame, flame.

You are a schtick.

You cannot possibly exist.

First: Explain what I did to irk you so.

Second: I'M the one who is flame?

Third: I DO exist. Otherwise, you are having a psychotic episode and desperately need to see a head doctor.

Fourth: I was only explaining in the politest manner possible to people (not you) what exactly that ment. I'd rather be seen as overly cautious than be a tactless boor like Nappy.

Fifth: What is you problem?! HUH!?!?!?

[muy_thaiguy]

emmigration (migration inside national borders, for those who need the explaination)

I am now 100% convinced that you are 100% flame, flame, flame.

You are a schtick.

You cannot possibly exist.

First: Explain what I did to irk you so.

Second: I'M the one who is flame?

Third: I DO exist. Otherwise, you are having a psychotic episode and desperately need to see a head doctor.

Fourth: I was only explaining in the politest manner possible to people (not you) what exactly that ment. I'd rather be seen as overly cautious than be a tactless boor like Nappy.

Fifth: What is you problem?! HUH!?!?!?

1. Nothing outside of my state exists (that's right, you are ALL in MY state!)
2. Drugs are bad, m'kay?
3. What the HELL does "b.k." in b.k. barunt stand for (this was never really answered in FW)?!
4. Pie is good.
5. The answer to all questions is 42.

I'm done now.

[btownmeggy]

emmigration (migration inside national borders, for those who need the explaination)

I am now 100% convinced that you are 100% flame, flame, flame.

You are a schtick.

You cannot possibly exist.

First: Explain what I did to irk you so.

Second: I'M the one who is flame?

Third: I DO exist. Otherwise, you are having a psychotic episode and desperately need to see a head doctor.

Fourth: I was only explaining in the politest manner possible to people (not you) what exactly that ment. I'd rather be seen as overly cautious than be a tactless boor like Nappy.

Fifth: What is you problem?! HUH!?!?!?

You are so assured of your superior intellect to the point of being insulting, but you say again and again really stoopid stuff.

This was the pinnacle of that mode of behavior.

Look up emigrate in the dictionary.

[Penos_Rider]

....Or even better, look up "Emmigrate".

But seriously Jenos, you're a fucking ridiculous twat.

[The1exile]

Or even better, look up "Emmigrate".

Why? It doesn't have an entry.