Your number one ranked player

[maxatstuy]

tbh though, only playing people at your own rank doesnt necessarily imply that you are the most deserving of your rank either; a lot of times a player is too afraid to lose points to lower ranks that they only join games with the same people whose strategy they know and understand. Since you havent played lower ranks, we cant see how you handle a noob with seemingly no strategy attacking at random. It is a completely different style of playing and I dont think that those games should be discounted either.

I just love this. You can either join games with low ranks and be accused of farming, or you can join highranks and be accused of being a pussy.

The point I am trying to make is that that game specialization is a form of farming. Whether or not he wants to admit it, the only reason he plays against high ranks is because he feels it is the easiest way to raise his score and in doing so, is farming.

[jiminski]

tbh though, only playing people at your own rank doesnt necessarily imply that you are the most deserving of your rank either; a lot of times a player is too afraid to lose points to lower ranks that they only join games with the same people whose strategy they know and understand. Since you havent played lower ranks, we cant see how you handle a noob with seemingly no strategy attacking at random. It is a completely different style of playing and I dont think that those games should be discounted either.

I just love this. You can either join games with low ranks and be accused of farming, or you can join highranks and be accused of being a pussy.

The point I am trying to make is that that game specialization is a form of farming. Whether or not he wants to admit it, the only reason he plays against high ranks is because he feels it is the easiest way to raise his score and in doing so, is farming.

As always your point is cheaply made.

You chose games with the express purpose of not playing any opposition.

Any justification of this, via parallels made with my playing some of the most accomplished and experienced strategists on the site, is a fairly transparent diversion.

Your game strategy and mental acumen starts and ends with game selection. Which in turn is designed to avoid playing any opposition.
It is not that you risk any points at all, as almost all of your '?' mark opponents deadbeat.

This method of gaining points is an embarrassment to the farmers who you are the self appointed leader of.
At least they do risk losing a disproportionate number of points to an attending opposition, in some cases.

[Army of Achilles]

If you want to read some entertaining chat of manimal playing another multi and beating max ... Game 3542044

[maxatstuy]

tbh though, only playing people at your own rank doesnt necessarily imply that you are the most deserving of your rank either; a lot of times a player is too afraid to lose points to lower ranks that they only join games with the same people whose strategy they know and understand. Since you havent played lower ranks, we cant see how you handle a noob with seemingly no strategy attacking at random. It is a completely different style of playing and I dont think that those games should be discounted either.

I just love this. You can either join games with low ranks and be accused of farming, or you can join highranks and be accused of being a pussy.

The point I am trying to make is that that game specialization is a form of farming. Whether or not he wants to admit it, the only reason he plays against high ranks is because he feels it is the easiest way to raise his score and in doing so, is farming.

As always your point is cheaply made.

You chose games with the express purpose of not playing any opposition.

Any justification of this, via parallels made with my playing some of the most accomplished and experienced strategists on the site, is a fairly transparent diversion.

Your game strategy and mental acumen starts and ends with game selection. Which in turn is designed to avoid playing any opposition.
It is not that you risk any points at all, as almost all of your '?' mark opponents deadbeat.

This method of gaining points is an embarrassment even to the farmers who you are the self appointed leader of.

I dont play for the satisfaction of knowing that I just fought a hard battle and came out ahead, I play because I enjoy the satisfaction of knowing that the strategy I created for finding these games is working successfully. I never once claimed otherwise, and that you are trying to instigate issues with me by calling an embarrassment is only representative of your insecurities of the games you play. You join private games where you have no risk of losing a significant amount of points and where your decent win rate is enough to not only sustain your rank, but allow it to increase.

As a result of this thread and the others devoted to farming, I received a pm from a mid-rank player who decided to try my method of farming and in his first four games, he lost 3 and won 1, not because he played poor, but because he had a terrible drop, awful dice, and bad cards. I created a system for avoiding the risks of a lot of those issues effecting my score, and I am sure that if you were to try joining the same type of games I play, your score would go down. Calling me an embarrassment is not justification, it is flaming. There is nothing which you have said to defend your position, and until you realize that the games which I play have absolutely nothing to do with your farming, there is no way you can say anything of substance or value.

[jiminski]

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You chose games with the express purpose of not playing any opposition.
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I dont play for the satisfaction of knowing that I just fought a hard battle ..

you see, we agree!

The point is you justify your methods by saying that you risk points but by your own admission you do not.

You use the methods of other farmers, who at least sometimes do play other people, to justify your own existence here.

I would say that you, by being their very vocal leader, undermine any respect or value which this method could retain.

I agree it can be tough to win with high enough frequency against low ranked opposition and maintain a positive score ..but your tactic is to play no one.
So where is the skill or risk intrinsic to that and how is it comparable to any other method?

[maxatstuy]

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You chose games with the express purpose of not playing any opposition.
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I dont play for the satisfaction of knowing that I just fought a hard battle ..

you see, we agree!

The point is you justify your methods by saying that you risk points but by your own admission you do not.

You use the methods of other farmers, who at least sometimes do play other people, to justify your own existence here.

I would say that you, by being their very vocal leader, undermine any respect or value which this method could retain.

I agree it can be tough to win with high enough frequency against low ranked opposition and maintain a positive score ..but your tactic is to play no one.
So where is the skill or risk intrinsic to that and how is it comparable to any other method?

First of all I am the only farmer who is currently successful at playing the games which I join. Rabbiton was as well, but he stopped playing them so I am the only one successfully using my method. You fail to understand that I have no problem with acknowledging the games I play dont require skill upon joining, however it is knowing which games to join that is the challenge. You play against people you know you cant lose too many points against and as a result are not risking anything by playing them. You are a farmer and no matter how many times you repeat things which I openly acknowledge about myself, it will not change your use of game specialization to farm your way up the ranks.

[jiminski]

Your juxtaposition:
- my playing excellent players, on level terms, in games we mutually like and understand
- your genius selection policy of preying on brand new players, who have no idea what is going on and who have the maximum chance of deadbeating.

it is like comparing a prize-fight with mugging a man in a coma.

heheh carry on though mate .. even though you could not care less what our oppinion is

[maxatstuy]

Your juxtaposition:
- my playing excellent players, on level terms, in games we mutually like and understand
- your genius selection policy of preying on brand new players, who have no idea what is going on and who have the maximum chance of deadbeating.

it is like comparing a prize-fight with mugging a man in a coma.

heheh carry on though mate .. even though you could not care less what our oppinion is

I hardly see how my opinions are contradicting in any way and your desire to sound pretentious and superior when you clearly have no idea what you are saying is amusing. Juxtaposition would be referring to a statement I made which contradicts another point which I was making, and if you had been reading my posts at all, you would know that is completely untrue as I am not trying to deny being a farmer; I am just calling you a farmer in addition to me. Disregarding your misuse of the word, your misspelling of opinion, and your change in tense at the end, your argument is still lacking as I never once referenced any of the other players in your games as being farmers, as many of them have proven themselves to be competent in many other styles of games and against different ranks. You have based all of your games around playing people whose strategy is familiar to you, allowing you to base your game play on what other people will do, as opposed to on your own ability to play. By not playing in public games, you are preventing yourself from having to oppose people where you cant rely on other peoples moves, and where you have to play for yourself knowing that no one will make a noob mistake, something which most other player have to account for in many of their games.

[jiminski]

Your juxtaposition:
- my playing excellent players, on level terms, in games we mutually like and understand
- your genius selection policy of preying on brand new players, who have no idea what is going on and who have the maximum chance of deadbeating.

it is like comparing a prize-fight with mugging a man in a coma.

heheh carry on though mate .. even though you could not care less what our oppinion is

I hardly see how my opinions are contradicting in any way and your desire to sound pretentious and superior when you clearly have no idea what you are saying is amusing. Juxtaposition would be referring to a statement I made which contradicts another point which I was making, and if you had been reading my posts at all, you would know that is completely untrue as I am not trying to deny being a farmer; I am just calling you a farmer in addition to me. Disregarding your misuse of the word, your misspelling of opinion, and your change in tense at the end, your argument is still lacking as I never once referenced any of the other players in your games as being farmers, as many of them have proven themselves to be competent in many other styles of games and against different ranks. You have based all of your games around playing people whose strategy is familiar to you, allowing you to base your game play on what other people will do, as opposed to on your own ability to play. By not playing in public games, you are preventing yourself from having to oppose people where you cant rely on other peoples moves, and where you have to play for yourself knowing that no one will make a noob mistake, something which most other player have to account for in many of their games.

Well no, 'juxtaposition' is simply when we place one thing or tenet next to another, in this case, for comparison.

As your comparison, where you pair and examine the act of playing people of equal rank with playing no opponent at all and call them both 'Farming'.
It may be a fairly desperate comparison but i did not chose the elements, merely the language.



Anyway, the whole point to this is to make sure that any passing peruser could gain a deeper knowledge of how point tallies are corrupted by your practices.

You have admitted that there is no skill whatever employed in your games, so i feel that our discourse has been most helpful and informative.

[maxatstuy]

Well no, 'juxtaposition' is simply when we place one thing or tenet next to another, in this case, for comparison.

As your comparison, where you pair and examine the act of playing people of equal rank with playing no opponent at all and call them both 'Farming'.
It may be a fairly desperate comparison but i did not chose the elements, merely the language.



Anyway, the whole point to this is to make sure that any passing peruser could gain a deeper knowledge of how point tallies are corrupted by your practices.

You have admitted that there is no skill whatever employed in your games, so i feel that our discourse has been most helpful and informative.

Hardly; that is an exaggeration made to compensate for your lack of ability to defend how the games you play are any less than farming. Furthermore, I have to play many of the games I join, I just dont take pride in those games. You setup private games to compensate for you fear of playing real players. I lost 94 points, as was mentioned earlier, because I joined a game against a multi where I had terrible dice while my opponent had all of the luck of a new recruit. Those are the type of games which I have to deal with; I just dont mentioned when I am in a game with a multi because I dont honestly care most of the time, I just play my hardest and end up winning anyway. You take no risk and are no different than a farmer and as I stated before, any attempt you make at flaming me is purposeless as it only further shows your insecurities about the games you play.

Repeating a statement which someone else makes is a very ineffective way of flaming btw

[jiminski]

... You fail to understand that I have no problem with acknowledging the games I play dont require skill upon joining...

so you are retracting your statement now?

[Nikolai]

This is funny. As Snorri pointed out earlier, if you play noobs you're a farmer, and if you play high ranks you're a wimp. Now, apparently, farming requires skill, and specializing in one particular game type to get really good at it is farming, no matter who you play.

[Stephan Wayne]

this topic has gone off road but ill go by the topic name i like JOHNNYROCKET24 his addicted
nothing says addicted more than 10000 games

[jiminski]

This is funny. As Snorri pointed out earlier, if you play noobs you're a farmer, and if you play high ranks you're a wimp. Now, apparently, farming requires skill, and specializing in one particular game type to get really good at it is farming, no matter who you play.

heheh Max is trying to divert attention from his practices which, as he admits, require no gameplay skill.
i am not sure why, as he keeps saying that he is proud of the fact that he scores so many points without exerting any effort in games.

Either he is proud or he is defensive due to not being proud... i am not sure he can be both.

[maxatstuy]

This is funny. As Snorri pointed out earlier, if you play noobs you're a farmer, and if you play high ranks you're a wimp. Now, apparently, farming requires skill, and specializing in one particular game type to get really good at it is farming, no matter who you play.

of course farming requires skill, just not the same type of skill. If it didnt then I wouldnt be the second person on the scoreboard.

... You fail to understand that I have no problem with acknowledging the games I play dont require skill upon joining...

so you are retracting your statement now?

once again you fail to read. I stated that your claim was an exaggeration...nothing more.

[maxatstuy]

This is funny. As Snorri pointed out earlier, if you play noobs you're a farmer, and if you play high ranks you're a wimp. Now, apparently, farming requires skill, and specializing in one particular game type to get really good at it is farming, no matter who you play.

heheh Max is trying to divert attention from his practices which, as he admits, require no gameplay skill.
i am not sure why, as he keeps saying that he is proud of the fact that he scores so many points without exerting any effort in games.

Either he is proud or he is defensive due to not being proud... i am not sure he can be both.

I am not being defensive based upon your claims against me, I am being defensive about your attempts to claim that my being a farmer prevents you from being a farmer as well

[Stephan Wayne]

just got to say max any time i see your posts there all anger and defensive

[jiminski]

This is funny. As Snorri pointed out earlier, if you play noobs you're a farmer, and if you play high ranks you're a wimp. Now, apparently, farming requires skill, and specializing in one particular game type to get really good at it is farming, no matter who you play.

heheh Max is trying to divert attention from his practices which, as he admits, require no gameplay skill.
i am not sure why, as he keeps saying that he is proud of the fact that he scores so many points without exerting any effort in games.

Either he is proud or he is defensive due to not being proud... i am not sure he can be both.

I am not being defensive based upon your claims against me, I am being defensive about your attempts to claim that my being a farmer prevents you from being a farmer as well

ouch! the hits keep on coming! You have picked me up incorrectly on semantics and now we have the "You are but what am i!" line of argument.

silly.

it comes to one simple fact which you already admitted countless times; you choose games where your opponents will deadbeat. There can be no skill in playing an absent adversary.

[The Neon Peon]

Did Max just get busted? He is freemium and no longer on the scoreboard. In the Guest group, too.

[jiminski]

Did Max just get busted? He is freemium and no longer on the scoreboard. In the Guest group, too.

i saw that he was warned for posting from a babysitters account whilst banned .. but that would not cause his membership to be revoked.

[Gunner1980]

Max, to compare your games against boys and girls who still do not know where the "attack" button is with jiminsky's games is...well, stupid. There, I said it. You have your way of playing and i have nothing against it, if you want to play just for the sake of points be my guest, but trying to say that playing vs '?' and playing vs colonel is the same? Come oooon dude, earth calling Max...
BUT, truth to be told, I do not like a vast number of people on this site who are playing their own little private games with 7-8 (always same) ppl, which keeps their points up in the skies all the time, while they are rarely playing "ordinary ppl". I am not talking about you Jiminsky, but as far as I can see from your games played, u r not far away from this definition lol Then again, truth to be told again, I only took a glance @ your profile so maybe I am dead wrong.
What I am trying to say is that if someone is a conqueror (SJ being it now, but I am not talking exclusively about him), that should mean that he is playing all types of players, any map, anywhere. And not to be a conqueror based on private games with same ppl, or being second on the list for noob farming. I am guessing that the list was brought up for a reason, and that is to see who has the highest amount of skill followed by some good old luck.
Needless to say, I am not claiming that I am a better player than any of you, or Prankcall (FE), or nikola_milicki (FE), or SJ, or whoever, but what I AM saying is that I (as well as others) would like to have a chance to be proven wrong...

[jiminski]

Max, to compare your games against boys and girls who still do not know where the "attack" button is with jiminsky's games is...well, stupid. There, I said it. You have your way of playing and i have nothing against it, if you want to play just for the sake of points be my guest, but trying to say that playing vs '?' and playing vs colonel is the same? Come oooon dude, earth calling Max...
BUT, truth to be told, I do not like a vast number of people on this site who are playing their own little private games with 7-8 (always same) ppl, which keeps their points up in the skies all the time, while they are rarely playing "ordinary ppl". I am not talking about you Jiminsky, but as far as I can see from your games played, u r not far away from this definition lol Then again, truth to be told again, I only took a glance @ your profile so maybe I am dead wrong.
What I am trying to say is that if someone is a conqueror (SJ being it now, but I am not talking exclusively about him), that should mean that he is playing all types of players, any map, anywhere. And not to be a conqueror based on private games with same ppl, or being second on the list for noob farming. I am guessing that the list was brought up for a reason, and that is to see who has the highest amount of skill followed by some good old luck.
Needless to say, I am not claiming that I am a better player than any of you, or Prankcall (FE), or nikola_milicki (FE), or SJ, or whoever, but what I AM saying is that I (as well as others) would like to have a chance to be proven wrong...

well at a glance it will look like i play exclusively private games.. but i don't. i go through periods of what and who i play with.

at present i'm in 3 tourneys .. one all-comers and 2 elitist.

anyway have a deeper peek, i play a fair blend on balance.

regardless of that, this is not about anyones right to choose what they play, it is fundamentally about tailoring game choice so there is no opposition and then claiming bragging rights on being a great player. it is also about, in some small way, accepting and redressing the misperception that all (perhaps any) high scorers are as good as their score.

sour-grapes? nah, just a reality check brought on by a graceless blackguard, engulfed in hubris.

[BaldAdonis]

RIP maxatstuy. 2nd on Scoreboard, (circa before yesterday - today).

Keep on farming in CC heaven.

[daydream]

sjnap is an amazing player who can outplay almost everyone in skill.

Anyone who can play and win:

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=2317830

deserves to be conqueror and the fact that he is farming does not detract from his being one of the best players on this site. He is currently farming just to beat scotts high score, and I think it is more honorable to farm the way sjnap is, than to gain 3700 points by someones throwing game.

lol, i was watching that game back then, warsteiner kept me updated.
the only reason sjnap won was because SkyT came out short on eliminating likemee. i remember warsteiner writing to me multiple times about how sjnaps time was slowly running out, and that if sj missed, it would be his game.

I remember him almost missing a few times as well, but I dont see how that correlates to him being a poor player. You are given 24 hours to play and he clearly knew how to utilize his time so that he didnt miss. The fact that sjnap won, no matter how it was that he won, is amazing, and it was that game which gave him the conqueror position.

never did i imply he was a bad player, and the bit about him getting close to missing was nothing but an anecdote.
HOWEVER what i DID say, is that he did NOT win that game because of superior skill, but was lucky to be able to take an almost free kill after SkyT missed. I am not taking away from the fact that sjnap is a good player, because, unlike you, without a doubt he is.

[e_i_pi]

My #1 player is alangary

He's a trooper. He never gives up, and he still buys premium