alstergren-ratings blackmail. [noted]

[king achilles]

If this accusation is true, then this is one bad example of how to settle a removal of ratings. Alstergren, since you are already aware of this report, I assume you can find other ways to persuade someone should a similar situation comes along your way. This will be added to your records and be noted for now.

[TruePurple]

What do you mean if it is true, alstergren has already virtually admitted to that being his PM.

[cisco2001]

What do you mean if it is true, alstergren has already virtually admitted to that being his PM.

Most people would have been satisfied with King's resolution. TB just can't let it go.......is anybody else seeing a pattern here. Being a trouble maker is what this thread is all about. Wait and see; there will be more from TB.

[btown80]

What do you mean if it is true, alstergren has already virtually admitted to that being his PM.

Being abusive to other players isn't enough for you? you want to go after KA? lol, GL with that one. This one statement should be enough reason to ban this freebie for life. He isn't paying, so he shouldn't be playing, wasting our time, and the king's time.

[TruePurple]

Man, shut up with the phony accusations already, and take your meds.

[btown80]

Man, shut up with the phony accusations already, and take your meds.

Flame Wars is closed buddy. We are all adults here, lets try and talk like one.

[TruePurple]

Those that flame & fling baseless accusations that have no anchor in reality, don't reserve the right to turn around and talk about being adults when the other person tells them to stuff it.

[btown80]

Those that flame & fling baseless accusations that have no anchor in reality, don't reserve the right to turn around and talk about being adults when the other person tells them to stuff it.

Where are you from? Are all people from your region as ridiculous as you? You have made more enemies in one month than I will make in a lifetime on here. Obviously it wasn't a baseless accusation when more than one person saw suspicion in your play to suspect a multi. I don't know how you got around it, but I still believe you are one. But you've been cleared to play, so I have to accept that. What I don't have to accept is your worthless rants about every little thing.

[TruePurple]

You accused me of being abusive to achilles, justify this statement if you can.

The thing is that a few of you have been doing nothing but flinging all sorts of accusations, and none of you almost ever followed any of those accusations up with anything like "because"... or otherwise point to any examples or other quasi-evidence to back up your claims.

It would be like someone calling you a degenerate dog raper who's dog fetish disrupts the games he plays. Theres absolutely no cause or reason behind saying it. It is just a nasty accusation that has no anchor in reality. Which means flaming. You and others have flamed me. How about acting like a grownup yourself if you are able to.

[btown80]

You accused me of being abusive to achilles, justify this statement if you can.

Your quote "What do you mean if it is true, alstergren has already virtually admitted to that being his PM." would you talk back to your boss at work, or if you aren't that old, would you talk to your father that way? When KA speaks, we listen, we don't question his words or actions. We accept them as the final say. At this point, the thread should have been over, but you continue to waste our time.

The thing is that a few of you have been doing nothing but flinging all sorts of accusations, and none of you almost ever followed any of those accusations up with anything like "because"... or otherwise point to any examples or other quasi-evidence to back up your claims.

Your actions in games is enough proof of your immaturity and rudeness.

[Woodruff]

Those that flame & fling baseless accusations that have no anchor in reality, don't reserve the right to turn around and talk about being adults when the other person tells them to stuff it.

You should weigh your anchor then.

[eye84free]

i do this.. if u look on my page u will seei place one of my many reasons for a bad rating. then people wont be surprise if they get one from me. if u rate me crap. and i deserve it fine.. what ever.. but dont think i wont remove my rating i gave the person.its my right to do so.. and i will..

and about this post ..blah blah blah. those who are on there high horse. be around here as long as most of us and ull see how the acts of some people who dont know the true meaning of good sportsmanship. ruin it for those of us who do.

this has been a public service announcement from eye84free.

[TruePurple]

At this point, the thread should have been over, but you continue to waste our time.

There is a reason we are allowed to continue to post for 5 days after a ruling, we are allowed to question a ruling of a mod.

In this case, alstergren virtually admitted to it being his PM & thus his guilt.

@eye84free
Thanks, that is a good idea.

[alster]

It would be like someone calling you a degenerate dog raper who's dog fetish disrupts the games he plays. Theres absolutely no cause or reason behind saying it. It is just a nasty accusation that has no anchor in reality. Which means flaming. You and others have flamed me. How about acting like a grownup yourself if you are able to.

I enjoyed reading this. It took me a while to get though it, but I think I understood it, thus, it deserves to be quoted.

If I were you, I would spend more time playing games and less time in the forums. It’s obvious you have some issues besides your rating, but let me indulge you a little bit since you obviously can’t let go of things…

My fairness was average. (nothing really fair or unfair about how I played)-
3

I thought I played well, with good skill, so I think my gameplay deserved a 4, But a 3 would be reasonable too.

To say my teammate played so terribly poor is just a matter of fact, something I should be allowed to say, just that I probably could/should have said it a bit better. So probably a 2 for attitude. But it should be noted that wiredgoat said it worse then me in teamchat.(which is why I gave him a 2 for attitude, I didn't do 1 because I sympathized with him) As far as making a cheater thread of it, I had good reason. (not that making a cheater thread should effect game rating)

Attitude: There are people with worse attitude, but that doesn't mean that I would be inclined to rate you better than the players at the bottom of the barrel. There may be several circles in hell, but they are, for all practical purposes, part of the same hell. You were rude to everyone in the game chat and your attitude outside the actual game, but related to it, was a virtual disaster.

Game play: In that one game, we took out your team mate in round 2 because you didn't protect him. Your team was not coordinated and the strategy, well, maybe there was one, I don’t know (but what do I know after +4500 games?).

Fairness: Suspected multi with a bad attitude, well, there’s an uphill battle from there and you never really managed to do something to make the game reasonably entertaining or, at least, yourself look good. Add up an obvious history of unfair and negative rating, well, you do the math.

All in all, IMHO you were a spectacular good candidate for a slapping with a 1-1-1 rating.

Now, as you had no problem cutting a deal to withdraw our mutually bad ratings of each other (although you got a bargain you didn't deserve, but that's my problem, I'm too nice), I suggest that you try to suck it up. You obviously have a few axes to grind, but this C&A was closed, but perhaps you can come up with a new one?

[btown80]

Attitude: There are people with worse attitude, but that doesn't mean that I would be inclined to rate you better than the players at the bottom of the barrel. There may be several circles in hell, but they are, for all practical purposes, part of the same hell.

That is awesome!!! Suck it Truepurple, lol

[TruePurple]

That is awesome!!! Suck it Truepurple, lol

That shows a utter lack of maturity, but I am sure you don't see it. There is alot you don't see.

You were rude to everyone in the game chat

What did I say that was rude to you? Gustaf Wasa? Crash_22? ComplexViagra? I will tell you, I didn't say a thing that could even remotely be taken as rude to any one of you in game chat.

attitude outside the actual game, but related to it, was a virtual disaster.

Making a cheater thread when there is good reason, is to you, 'a virtual disaster of bad attitude'? How does that make any sense? Consider the fact that you made a cheater thread against me with alot less of a foundation then the one you are punishing me for.

we took out your team mate in round 2 because you didn't protect him.

You took out cannuck because cannuck did stupid moves of attacking with less then 4 with no apparent strategy in mind till he had 1's in exposed areas. If he had played smart we wouldn't have needed to protect him. As it is there wasn't enough time to reinforce him after his stupid moves. We did reinforce him a bit anyway, but cannuck had bad luck to go along with his stupid moves.

Your team was not coordinated

Two team members had no brains and wired goat wasn't communicating. I can not be blamed for that. You guys got to choose each other I am sure, 4 people who knew each other and got along, so we were already disadvantaged in this regard. That has nothing to do with how much skill I played with, more just the hand I was dealt.

Suspected multi

I was cleared of being a multi,(now twice) and suspicion of being a multi is for cheater threads, not rating. Fair play is how fair I played that particular game.

with a bad attitude

Attitude is attitude, not fairness.

history of unfair and negative rating

I have a history of average ratings that show alot of thought. You might think 5 is average, the game website disagrees with you.

I would remind you that I made a thread asking people what they would go by for rating, I got absolutely nothing for a reply other then mods saying do what you feel best as it is all personal opinion.

What I rate people in other games is not a function of how fair I was in the game.

Now, as you had no problem cutting a deal

I very much did have a problem with it, that was what this thread was about.

I'm too nice

Leaving 1's that you will withdraw only if the other person withdraws their rating is anything but nice.

[owenator]

You have some serious issues if you continue to complain and whine about some silly thread about accusing someone else about ONE pm about blackmailing your ratings. And furthermore, it's only ONE person rating you badly, and then withdrawing that rating. How many people do you think you've ticked off, annoyed, and whom will likely foe you? Really, suck it up and move on.

[king sam]

I think this thread has served its purpose and will be nearing the LOCKED phase here soon. Best of Luck with your future endeavors TruePurple hopefully your attitude and poor sportsmanship change for the better or this site will lose fun for you shortly.

King Sam

[btown80]

That is awesome!!! Suck it Truepurple, lol

That shows a utter lack of maturity, but I am sure you don't see it. There is alot you don't see.

There you go trying to bait me into an argument again.

One more quick note before this thread gets locked....

TruePurple, I have no idea who you are, or where you came from, but you are one odd creature. You are trying to challenge 10 people who have been playing on this site for years. You have 1 month under your belt. I suggest you go through the guidelines and rules and take some notes about baiting, flaming, abusing chat, abusing the forums, pretty much abusing your privilege to play on this site. You are, afterall, a freemium who is not contributing to this wonderful site.

Btown, out.

[btown80]

[btown80]

At this point, the thread should have been over, but you continue to waste our time.

There is a reason we are allowed to continue to post for 5 days after a ruling, we are allowed to question a ruling of a mod.

I forgot, I did want to point out one last thing.... If you look at the top of the page, where it says "Forum Rules" and then below it, it states, "[These cases have been closed. If you would like to appeal the decision of the hunter please open a ticket on the help page and the case will be looked into by a second hunter.]" That's where you should appeal the decision... Just a little fyi

[TruePurple]

What did you hope to accomplish by posting in these threads brown? I hear alot of kiss butt in your posts. Near as I can tell you decided to jump on a band wagon to ingratiate yourself. Like one of those hang on lackies who always go along with what s/he thinks the the bully/in crowd wants.

It is indeed surprising that this thread was only noted, seeing as alstergren admitted to that being his PM saying 'I will withdraw my bad rating if you withdraw your average one'

I also note that noone made a case for establishing ratings blackmail being good for the site. Though I clearly made a case for it being very bad for the site.

Whats the best way to know someone is going to give you a bad rating? That would be if you behaved badly. Which means the most likely person to give 1's that they will withdraw if the other person withdraws their rating is those who deserve the bad rating in the first place. Furthermore the person who makes sure they get the low rating they deserve would be the one stuck with the bad rating.

Player A swears, cheats, regularly misses turns in order to save up troops. At the end of the game Player A, gives the other players all 1 ratings. Which player A will withdraw if the other 3 players withdraw their bad ratings of player A. Player B refuses to withdraw his/her ratings, so player B gets stuck with a 1's rating Player B did not deserve, but got for doing the right thing. How is that a good thing?

[btown80]

What did you hope to accomplish by posting in these threads brown?

Was pointing out that this wasn't the place to appeal a decision. Open a ticket if you want to have it looked into again. You think you are god of this site after 1 month, but you don't know sh*t. You especially don't know when to shut the hell up and keep rambling, begging for attention. Is your real life that meager and worthless that you need to come on here and rant and rave until someone responds to you? Does that fulfill your life? Like I said, I don't know you, where you're from, but from what I can see, you are one sad creature.

[king sam]

It is indeed surprising that this thread was only noted, seeing as alstergren admitted to that being his PM saying 'I will withdraw my bad rating if you withdraw your average one'
I also note that noone made a case for establishing ratings blackmail being good for the site. Though I clearly made a case for it being very bad for the site.

This thread was about Alstegreen "blackmailing" you to remove the poor rating you left for him in return he would remove the one he left you for you.

This isn't blackmail its an arrangement that CC openly lets users do. If we didn't see eye to eye and we both left each other bad ratings or ratings that were sub par and we both got together and agreed to let bi-gons be bi-gons and both deleted said ratings then that's ok. In your case I seriously doubt alstegreen rated you with 1's across the board cause he wanted to have leverage on you TruePurple. In my opinion he rated you the way you deserved to be rated. And was kind enough to work out an arrangement to get them removed from both of yalls record. You opened this thread about it for vengeance to a wrong doing that didst exist.

My best guess is this was NOTED and alstegreen told that its not good practice to rate players poorly if he anticipates/suspects crap ratings coming, which he admitted he did earlier on in the thread in other cases. Cause him working out an agreement outside of moderation help to correct a ratings dispute is within his rights as well as yours. Creating leverage to get this is wrong, but I don't think he did that in this case. Still if you feel you have a problem please follow the guidance everyone has given you and fill out an E-ticket, your moans and complains about injustice will get you nowhere quick.

Regards,
King Sam

[TruePurple]

You think you are god of this site

You seem to think you are the all knowing, wise, CC guru who makes royal proclamations of what's what, trying to be both leader and follower at the same time. But in reality from my perspective, your just a little brat who's trying to get approval from others at my expense; not appreciated. So please butt out your all knowing kiss-butt/insulting nose from a topic that you aren't related to or contributing to.

@Kingsam
Much better. Your tone is less aggressive and more rational, very well then.

This isn't blackmail its an arrangement that CC openly lets users do. If we didn't see eye to eye and we both left each other bad ratings or ratings that were sub par and we both got together and agreed to let bi-gons be bi-gons and both deleted said ratings then that's ok.

Really? Has this been established somewhere? Would you please point me to it? If I had been aware of this before, then I might not have made this thread in the first place.

If two people behaved badly, then the ratings should stay to warn others. Ratings shouldn't be a "You scratch my back, I scratch yours- You insult me, I wack you with a stick." thing. But strictly about how well the person behaved in a game. I understand that some CC users may lack that kind of maturity. But that doesn't mean we should embrace it that way.

And was kind enough to work out an arrangement to get them removed from both of yalls record.

I did not at all deserve 1's and you haven't established otherwise, but setting that aside for a moment; then at best what alstergren did was a function of self interest, done to get his overall rating improved, not a matter of "niceness". So it kind of irks me when someone (especially alstergreen himself, which he has several times) paints alstergreen as some kind of saint for offering mutual ratings withdrawing when he left 1's.

Creating leverage to get this is wrong, but I don't think he did that in this case.

The problem is that how do you know if a rating is lower then it would be otherwise in order to create leverage to get another rating removed? It is a slippery slope simply because ratings is so subjective and we can not know another persons mind.