MLB

[Night Strike]

Have the steroids magically disappeared since then?

No, but it's just like other sports where if you use them and get caught, there are now stiff punishments in place.

[strike wolf]

Have the steroids magically disappeared since then?

No, but it's just like other sports where if you use them and get caught, there are now stiff punishments in place.

Not stiff enough in my opinion.

[oVo]

It's all about the money and not the game. Has been for ages
and as long as the stadiums continue to pack 'em in
it will continue... business as usual.

It's only cheating when you get caught.

Pete Rose won't be in the Hall of Fame because he gambled,
maybe it's time to erase the "records" of other cheats as well.

[AgentSmith88]

I think if Pete Rose had admitted at the time he gambled he might be in the hall by now. Since he lied about it for so long he will probably be dead before he gets in the hall. (Or at least Selig will have to be gone becasue he won't ever let Rose in. And I will celebrate that day.)

[Army of GOD]

I can't be the only person who spent an otherwise spectacular day indoors, utterly despondent over the revelation that Big Papi got caught juicing, am I? The rings still count, right?

Yep! Besides, as far as we know, he didn't take them in '04! <---great logic

[UCAbears]

Go ANGELS

[oVo]

Bah!!! The Rangers and Angels both lost.

Meanwhile... Hank Aaron wants the list of 104 players who tested positive for performance-enhancing substances in 2003 to be released.

[strike wolf]

Bah!!! The Rangers and Angels both lost.

Meanwhile... Hank Aaron wants the list of 104 players who tested positive for performance-enhancing substances in 2003 to be released.

While I think it was ridiculous to give these people the shelter of being anonymous they were told that it would be that way and no further names should be released (not gonna happen that way and eventually all the major names will come out one way or another.)

[jsholty4690]

Bah!!! The Rangers and Angels both lost.

Meanwhile... Hank Aaron wants the list of 104 players who tested positive for performance-enhancing substances in 2003 to be released.

It should be released, we as the fans of baseball pay the players salaries by going to the ballparks and buying the merchandise. We have the right to know whether or not they are cheating (if Jose Canseco is right, the majority of baseball players).

[Army of GOD]

But if they release it, someone is going to get screwed over big time. It's supposed to be confidential! I think...

[jsholty4690]

But if they release it, someone is going to get screwed over big time. It's supposed to be confidential! I think...

That's the point. They cheated they should pay for what they did. It is obvious that they won't be suspended, so being branded a cheater is the next best thing. And I don't think it should have ever been confidential, we should be able to know who are good role models and who aren't. From what it is going on right now, most kids with MLB asperations are thinking to themselves that steriods are the only way to make it to the majors and this should stop now.

[strike wolf]

But if they release it, someone is going to get screwed over big time. It's supposed to be confidential! I think...

That's the point. They cheated they should pay for what they did. It is obvious that they won't be suspended, so being branded a cheater is the next best thing. And I don't think it should have ever been confidential, we should be able to know who are good role models and who aren't. From what it is going on right now, most kids with MLB asperations are thinking to themselves that steriods are the only way to make it to the majors and this should stop now.

It's not that extreme but yeah when all these big name players are getting away with it than it does help convince many to join the steroid bandwagon...

[Bones2484]

It's not that extreme but yeah when all these big name players are getting away with it than it does help convince many to join the steroid bandwagon...

You're missing something here. Big named players are NOT getting away with it anymore. Only the idiotic players (Manny) think they can still hide from detection.

[strike wolf]

It's not that extreme but yeah when all these big name players are getting away with it than it does help convince many to join the steroid bandwagon...

You're missing something here. Big named players are NOT getting away with it anymore. Only the idiotic players (Manny) think they can still hide from detection.

But that's the thing. They HAVE been getting away with it. Last I checked Barry Bonds hasn't had any real punishment. Manny got punished but A-rod and Big Papi unless they fail another test won't be punished other than having their name tarnished. And Manny obviously got away with using steroids for a good while before he was caught and even then he wasn't actually caught using steroids but caught using something to restore his normal testosterone levels after it stops because of using steroids. Splitting hairs? probably. But I highly doubt thatt the ones being caught currently are the only ones who are using.

[jsholty4690]

It's not that extreme but yeah when all these big name players are getting away with it than it does help convince many to join the steroid bandwagon...

You're missing something here. Big named players are NOT getting away with it anymore. Only the idiotic players (Manny) think they can still hide from detection.

That's the problem. Manny is the only big name player who has gotten the book thrown at him and that's because no one really likes him. All the league and the teams care about is making money and to make money they need the long ball. Let's face it the league doesn't care about the baseball players health, it only cares about money and ratings. The only reason they had to crack down on steriod use was because it was becomming so blantanly obvious.

[Night Strike]

Those 2003 tests were before baseball had rules governing the use of steroids. You can't go back and punish those players for what they did before rules were in place.

[Bones2484]

Those 2003 tests were before baseball had rules governing the use of steroids. You can't go back and punish those players for what they did before rules were in place.

Amen, NS. And this is exactly why that list cannot be officially released.

As a fan, I don't CARE anymore. Why can't we just move on from the past? Put in tests and such to try to stop it now, but we can't change anything that happened.

And on that note. Why is baseball taking such a hit on steroids when football is probably even worse off? Is it ok for the NFL to be filled with junkies just because we want to see them hit each other? The double standard is ridiculous.

Strikewolf: Do you REALLY think that these players haven't been punished? Their names are tarnished. Their records are questioned. Some (Bonds?) aren't even getting offers for contracts even though they are still capable of playing and putting up good numbers. They aren't getting ANY votes for the Hall of Fame. The memories of players linked with steroids are not ones of happy times. That alone should be punishment enough for these players who once considered themselves to be role models for others but now are looked at in disgust.

[Army of GOD]

No, I don't mean a player is going to be screwed over. Whoever performed the tests and failed to keep the names within the system is going to get screwed over by the players.

[strike wolf]

Those 2003 tests were before baseball had rules governing the use of steroids. You can't go back and punish those players for what they did before rules were in place.

A good point but it brings up another question. Why were steroids ever legal in the MLB?

[strike wolf]

Those 2003 tests were before baseball had rules governing the use of steroids. You can't go back and punish those players for what they did before rules were in place.

Amen, NS. And this is exactly why that list cannot be officially released.

As a fan, I don't CARE anymore. Why can't we just move on from the past? Put in tests and such to try to stop it now, but we can't change anything that happened.

And on that note. Why is baseball taking such a hit on steroids when football is probably even worse off? Is it ok for the NFL to be filled with junkies just because we want to see them hit each other? The double standard is ridiculous.

Strikewolf: Do you REALLY think that these players haven't been punished? Their names are tarnished. Their records are questioned. Some (Bonds?) aren't even getting offers for contracts even though they are still capable of playing and putting up good numbers. They aren't getting ANY votes for the Hall of Fame. The memories of players linked with steroids are not ones of happy times. That alone should be punishment enough for these players who once considered themselves to be role models for others but now are looked at in disgust.

I wouldn't say that they aren't being punished and I admit that earlier comment didn't come out the way I meant it. as for their names tarnished their records questioned and not getting contract offers. I'm glad they dont but I still don't feel that they have received enough punishment for their actions.

[Bones2484]

Those 2003 tests were before baseball had rules governing the use of steroids. You can't go back and punish those players for what they did before rules were in place.

A good point but it brings up another question. Why were steroids ever legal in the MLB?

They were never legal. They just weren't against the rules. It was a gray area in the CBA.

[oVo]

They were never legal. They just weren't against the rules. It was a gray area in the CBA.

Anything for an edge... vaseline on he rim of a pitcher's cap, corked bats and steroids.
Everyone knew what they were doing and none of it will ever be recognized
as being done in the spirit of the game.

[strike wolf]

Those 2003 tests were before baseball had rules governing the use of steroids. You can't go back and punish those players for what they did before rules were in place.

A good point but it brings up another question. Why were steroids ever legal in the MLB?

They were never legal. They just weren't against the rules. It was a gray area in the CBA.

I am looking at it in black and white here because it's just that simple. If it's not against the rules than it's not illegal by league standards and therefore it is legal by default. At least that's the way I see it.

[AgentSmith88]

Steroids were never legal (hence illegal). However, after the lockout in '94 the league was desperate to get fans to come back. When EVERYONE started htting homeruns attendance and tv ratings went up. So the league rarely tested for steroids and NEVER punished anyone. It was just an accepted thing by both sides. Until Canseco spilt the beans the public was unawares that juicing was so prevalent. Ever since then MLB has slowly been cracking down on the use of steroids. They finally have strict punishments (50 games, 100 games, lifetime banishment) and test regularly. I highly doubt any young players coming into the league now will put their careers in jeopardy trying to use the stuff. So over the next few years we will hear about these reports of players entering the twilights of their careers who tested positive in '03 or '05 and the only thing they will have to talk about is whether the big name players who did test positive belong in the HOF. Otherwise, the only steroid news will be the random occasional idiot who gets caught and suspended. I can't wait for that day.

[oVo]

I highly doubt any young players coming into the league now will put their careers in jeopardy trying to use the stuff.

Unfortunately the nature of modern sports now has college prospects using growth hormones and steroids. In Texas, high school students are now tested for performance enhancing substances because of the increase in use by even younger atheletes who want to "maintain a competitive edge" over rivals for their positions.