ted kennedy dead

[prismsaber]

The guy was a scumbag in my opinion, but that being said i still felt sad upon hearing of his death. I save my death-joy for those mass murderers, terrorists, and rapists out there.

[Phatscotty]

There is a total indoctrinated romanticism with the Kennedy family. The roots of the family are stunning.

[pimpdave]

Everyone looks dirty under a microscope.

Why do you have such a hard on for the Kennedys?

[Phatscotty]

The guy was a scumbag in my opinion, but that being said i still felt sad upon hearing of his death. I save my death-joy for those mass murderers, terrorists, and rapists out there.

that said, I saw how many people were affected by him and that can't be denied. But a lot of people were affected by rodney king too

[JJM]

He should have been imprisoned for manslaughter decades ago. He is a politician of the lowest order in terms of both policy and partisanship and his selfish recklessness directly cost another human being her life. He was in no way whatsoever a decent civil servant or human being.

Honestly this is good news in more ways than one as the Democrats now lose their filibuster proof majority.

No I don't feel that I have to say nice things about this murdering hack just because he died.

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You said that he man slaughtered someone and then change your story to saying he murdered someone. I do not agree with most of his political positions but He was an honest person who did what he felt was right.

[neanderpaul14]

He was an honest person who did what he felt was right.

And most of the time he felt it was right to get liquored up and bang his secretaries.

[JJM]

He was an honest person who did what he felt was right.

And most of the time he felt it was right to get liquored up and bang his secretaries.

Bang is secretaries?

[neanderpaul14]

He was an honest person who did what he felt was right.

And most of the time he felt it was right to get liquored up and bang his secretaries.

Bang is secretaries?

He had sex with anything that moved.

[JJM]

He was an honest person who did what he felt was right.

And most of the time he felt it was right to get liquored up and bang his secretaries.

Bang is secretaries?

He had sex with anything that moved.

Where did you hear that.

[neanderpaul14]

He was an honest person who did what he felt was right.

And most of the time he felt it was right to get liquored up and bang his secretaries.

Bang is secretaries?

He had sex with anything that moved.

Where did you hear that.

It's common knowledge none of the Kennedy boys could keep it in their pants.

[lokisgal]

Its amazing how much ignorance and narrow mindedness is in this place.

I suppose most of you Kennedy bashers think that the Bush boys are god's gift to getting great things done and pillars of morally decent behavior
Id take a Kennedy over a Bush any day.


And for those of you jumping with joy at the end of a dynasty keep your eyes on his grandson and namesake

It aint over yet and Im damn glad about that

[neanderpaul14]

Its amazing how much ignorance and narrow mindedness is in this place.

I suppose most of you Kennedy bashers think that the Bush boys are god's gift to getting great things done and pillars of morally decent behavior
Id take a Kennedy over a Bush any day.

I never said I had anything against the Kennedys, JFK was a great man with ideas that would have changed this world for the better, his brother Robert was equally dynamic. Teddy however simply rode the coattails of his brothers to a career in the US senate.

All I was doing was merely stating a simple fact, the Kennedy boys would screw anything that moved. And Teddy would drink anything that said + Proof on the side.

And as for me wanting a Bush in office over a Kennedy?? I wouldn't trust one of Bush Sr's sons to be the local dog catcher, I am sure the dogs would easily outsmart any of them, especially Little Georgie.

The old man, however much I disagreed with his policies and decisions, was actually a very intelligent individual.

[DangerBoy]

All I was doing was merely stating a simple fact, the Kennedy boys would screw anything that moved.

Let's hope the grandson doesn't continue the family tradition

[SultanOfSurreal]

Its amazing how much ignorance and narrow mindedness is in this place.

I suppose most of you Kennedy bashers think that the Bush boys are god's gift to getting great things done and pillars of morally decent behavior
Id take a Kennedy over a Bush any day.

I never said I had anything against the Kennedys, JFK was a great man with ideas that would have changed this world for the better, his brother Robert was equally dynamic. Teddy however simply rode the coattails of his brothers to a career in the US senate.

All I was doing was merely stating a simple fact, the Kennedy boys would screw anything that moved. And Teddy would drink anything that said + Proof on the side.

And as for me wanting a Bush in office over a Kennedy?? I wouldn't trust one of Bush Sr's sons to be the local dog catcher, I am sure the dogs would easily outsmart any of them, especially Little Georgie.

The old man, however much I disagreed with his policies and decisions, was actually a very intelligent individual.

if you want to talk about coattail riding then their is no one more coattaily than bush sr., a singularly unimpressive and uncharismatic man who was elected because reagan chose him for vp, and only then because michael dukakis looked dorky in a tank

as for ted kennedy, agree or disagree with his politics, he was indisputably among the most accomplished senators to ever serve. however he got there, he certainly made his own way once he was there.

[PLAYER57832]

I am among the least to simply "forgive and forget" drunk driving accidents. That said, while I do not know enough about the details of Ted Kennedy's alleged accident to know any truth, I will just assume here he IS guilty.

What then? There were 2 courses of actions. One is that he could have been put away in jail, served some time, had his political career ended. It would have pleased many, but would it really have done more good for our nation, or even the families involved? For all accounts, Ted Kennedy was a religious man, who truly believed his Roman Catholic Faith. One basic precept of Roman Catholicism (one with which I don't wholly agree, just to be clear) is the idea that pennance assigned and served completely erases sin. (note.. I know there are distinctions, not trying to get into a technical religious debate, in this thread, please) IF he were guilty of anything, I have little doubt that he confessed his sin and recieved a pennance. None of us can, will, or ever should know what that pennance might be. I would suspect, in his case, it had something to do with public service. Similarly, while many people endure harship and do not fall to alchohol, no one can deny that Ted Kennedy endured far more than most of us ever will. He endured it publically, not in private. How many of us could have done as well? We might like to think we would, but do we really know? Privately and professionally/publically all accounts say that this man began as a young, fairly irresponsible playboy, but learned and grew to be one of the foremost statesmen of his time. He might (it's still in question, I believe) have committed great sins, but he also did great good. That is all we can ask of any human being.

When I have listened to the many speakers recently, one thing has been clear. Whether you agreed with his politics or not, agreed with his bills or not, Ted Kennedy was a man who engendered great respect from virtually all with whom he worked. Many, many spoke of being political enemies, but respecting and even liking him "off the floor". They all mentioned a genuine, not "put on" respect for people in all walks of life, with all abilities. He worked very, very hard and was, by all accounts a man who made a positive difference in the lives of people he met, even many of those he only met with briefly.

The bottom line is that this might well be one of those cases where true justice and true "right" is not at all the same as superficial vengeance and "justice". I would never offer up anyone's life in exchange for anything. However, once the accident occured, bringing that woman back was not an option. I believe there is doubt in this case as to whether Ten Kennedy really was guilty or not. However, if he were guilty, the only remaining options were to prosecute him,( likely put him in jail), etc. or to take other actions. I have to say that the world and even this girls family was better served by having Kennedy free and able to do as he has done. It may not seem "fair" or "right", but sometimes the greater good does outweigh the good of one.

Per his apparent "lack of guilt", if he did this, I have no doubt he felt deep internal guilt. But, being raised publically, as a Kennedy, he is well schooled in masking his private emotions, particularly negative ones. But also, there is his faith. If he had served the pennance to which he might have been assigned, then the matter would be spiritually "closed". As I said before, I know its complicated and my intent here is not to debate Catholicism, merely to point out that what you think to be true, based purely on what you see on TV, read in reports, etc. is almost certainly far from the whole story.

At any rate, the man is gone now. I, for one, celebrate his legacy of legislation, including the Family Medical Leave act and many others. I do hope healthcare passes, though it will go forward without him at its reigns. In the end, the real impact of his life, like those of most people, will only really be known in generations.

May he rest in peace.

[GabonX]

All right, so to sum it up, if a senator funnels money to Player's family virtually any act including manslaughter, is completely forgivable and should not affect that senator's career.

Good to know!

[spurgistan]

I'm OK with admitting that I forgive more faults with Teddy's character than similarly morally stunted Repubs because of partisan affiliation if you admit that you're exactly the same. Because you are. It's just that one partisan affiliation is more open about moral equivalency than the other.

[PLAYER57832]

All right, so to sum it up, if a senator funnels money to Player's family virtually any act including manslaughter, is completely forgivable and should not affect that senator's career.

Good to know!

To sum up: No.

[GabonX]

All right

You talk about him making lives better, but the affect of much of what he did is contested. His place in the struggle for civil rights would have been filled by someone else had he not been in the senate.

The story of Ted Kennedy is unsettling on multiple levels. His legacy is contested and the fact that he was shown preferential treatment because of who he was is upsetting.

The man should not have been a Senator.

[PLAYER57832]

All right

You talk about him making lives better, but the affect of much of what he did is contested. His place in the struggle for civil rights would have been filled by someone else had he not been in the senate.

The story of Ted Kennedy is unsettling on multiple levels. His legacy is contested and the fact that he was shown preferential treatment because of who he was is upsetting.

The man should not have been a Senator.

There is no such thing as real earthly justice. There is only the lesser of evils, the greatest good, etc.
The man is dead. Time will judge his true legacy, but like not until both you and I are gone as well. I never thought that much of him, never really paid all that much attention, but in listening to the many people of ALL stripes who spoke of him, I came to realize that what every he was, he became a decent man. That is all most of us can aspire to.

[GabonX]

We should aspire for more

[b.k. barunt]

The guy was a scumbag in my opinion, but that being said i still felt sad upon hearing of his death. I save my death-joy for those mass murderers, terrorists, and rapists out there.

Hey don't forget those terrible terrible bad boys who get forum banned here.

I don't hate Ted Kennedy like i do George Bush, but he was undeniably scum and a coward who left a young woman to die a slow death. I don't rejoice in his death like i will over Bush's, but those of you who idolize such a worthless piece of trash must've benefited somehow from his pet projects - like maybe gay rights?


Honibaz

[SultanOfSurreal]

The guy was a scumbag in my opinion, but that being said i still felt sad upon hearing of his death. I save my death-joy for those mass murderers, terrorists, and rapists out there.

Hey don't forget those terrible terrible bad boys who get forum banned here.

I don't hate Ted Kennedy like i do George Bush, but he was undeniably scum and a coward who left a young woman to die a slow death. I don't rejoice in his death like i will over Bush's, but those of you who idolize such a worthless piece of trash must've benefited somehow from his pet projects - like maybe gay rights?


Honibaz

back for less than 48 hours and you've already started steering even the most disparate topics into your obsessive hatred of gay people, great job

[thegreekdog]

Its amazing how much ignorance and narrow mindedness is in this place.

I suppose most of you Kennedy bashers think that the Bush boys are god's gift to getting great things done and pillars of morally decent behavior
Id take a Kennedy over a Bush any day.


And for those of you jumping with joy at the end of a dynasty keep your eyes on his grandson and namesake

It aint over yet and Im damn glad about that

Not everyone who is a Kennedy basher is a Bush supporter. Try to look at things from an objective point of view next time, it will keep your blood pressure down and lead to less ridiculous posts. I think two people in this thread have said they are glad Kennedy is dead, neither of whom are big Bush supporters.

[b.k. barunt]

The guy was a scumbag in my opinion, but that being said i still felt sad upon hearing of his death. I save my death-joy for those mass murderers, terrorists, and rapists out there.

Hey don't forget those terrible terrible bad boys who get forum banned here.

I don't hate Ted Kennedy like i do George Bush, but he was undeniably scum and a coward who left a young woman to die a slow death. I don't rejoice in his death like i will over Bush's, but those of you who idolize such a worthless piece of trash must've benefited somehow from his pet projects - like maybe gay rights?


Honibaz

back for less than 48 hours and you've already started steering even the most disparate topics into your obsessive hatred of gay people, great job

That was aimed at you sultan, and not gay people in general. There are more gay people on this forum that i like than dislike. I don't like you, and if you were straight as a fooking arrow i still wouldn't like you. Go figure.


Honibaz